Harmor
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Source: BP Execs Agree to $20B Compensation Fund for Spill Victims, Chairman Apologizes

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So the President of the United States tells a private company to make a fund that the President's own "Pay Czar", Kenneth Feinberg (Obama's appointed advisor with no congressional aproval), to oversee claims to the little people affected by the oil disaster.

What do you want to bet that this slush fund will be used to payoff Unions and Obama Campaign Contributors?

Is this even legal that the Administration can do this?
Jay
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No, not legal, and it sets a ridiculously bad precedent.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
mikkel
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Really shitty move right there.
Turquoise
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What's the problem?...
ATG
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Turquoise wrote:

What's the problem?...
It bypasses the courts. Ever more power in the hands of the potus.


Of course, Exxon screwed everybody for years after the Valdez but...
IMO this is another example of how, just like Adolph Hitler, Obama and the industrial complex are duplicitous in the rape and plunder of the world.
Reciprocity
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ATG wrote:

Obama and the industrial complex are duplicitous in the rape and plunder of the world.
What the fuck is he raping and plundering?  Exxon fucked around for years and eventually got away very cheap.  That shouldn't happen again.  The only way these companies learn is through financial pain.  IF BP needs to be fucked into the ground until it's bankrupted, so be it.
ATG
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BP is the worlds 4th largest company...
Normally damages are litigated in court, not decided by some czar. Why does America have czars anyway?


BP lobbied for tarp and bailouts. They lined the pockets of Obama.

I wouldn't be surprised if they are letting this thing turn into what it is so that the American people are more comfortable with a Hugo Chavez kind of take over of the industry.



$500k

That's what a remote shut off switch would have cost. Yet Obama gives them an award. bah.



btw, small businesses are almost universally fucked and we are getting raped and plundered as a country and saddled with ' unsustainable " debt nobody wants but the fucks sucking off it.
Dilbert_X
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So when are Exxon paying for their mess?

On the plus side had Bush been president he would have sued Texaco and shut down Shell for BP's mess.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2010-06-17 18:44:44)

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Turquoise
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ATG wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

What's the problem?...
It bypasses the courts. Ever more power in the hands of the potus.


Of course, Exxon screwed everybody for years after the Valdez but...
IMO this is another example of how, just like Adolph Hitler, Obama and the industrial complex are duplicitous in the rape and plunder of the world.
Well, the way I see it...  the system has been bought by corporations, so the only way to halfway get justice against BP is to use their own medicine against them.  Allow other corporations to use the government to punish them.

That's what this slush fund basically is.
Dilbert_X
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Turquoise wrote:

ATG wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

What's the problem?...
It bypasses the courts. Ever more power in the hands of the potus.


Of course, Exxon screwed everybody for years after the Valdez but...
IMO this is another example of how, just like Adolph Hitler, Obama and the industrial complex are duplicitous in the rape and plunder of the world.
Well, the way I see it...  the system has been bought by corporations, so the only way to halfway get justice against BP is to use their own medicine against them.  Allow other corporations to use the government to punish them.

That's what this slush fund basically is.
Problem is there needs to be a transparent process.

Exxon fucks up - They don't have to pay.

Goldman Sachs fuck up - They get billions from the government.

BP fucks up - They pay billions to the goverment.

Government fucks up - Iraq gets bombed and the taxpayer pays billions to military contractors.
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Reciprocity
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ATG wrote:

BP is the worlds 4th largest company...
Normally damages are litigated in court, not decided by some czar. Why does America have czars anyway?
BP has seriously damaged an entire economy down there.  The people directly affected by this don't have years to wait.  They don't have money to waste on lawyers.  They need money now,  and BP has it. 

ATG wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised if they are letting this thing turn into what it is so that the American people are more comfortable with a Hugo Chavez kind of take over of the industry.



$500k

That's what a remote shut off switch would have cost. Yet Obama gives them an award. bah.
well, I hear everyone bitching that Obama isn't providing some instant solution.  If the government is responsible for cleaning up the mess maybe it should take over the industry.  Seeing as these fucking companies don't know how to operate.  You fucking conservatives seem all for unregulated capitalism until the shit hits the fan.  What should Obama have done in his first year and a half in office?  Completely overhaul the minerals management service?  So every one of you fucking conservatives could accuse him of some socialist conspiracy to take over the industry?  From what I've seen, Obama's major mistake was to assume that the oil industry knew what they were doing.

Last edited by Reciprocity (2010-06-17 19:06:32)

Dilbert_X
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From what I've seen, Obama's major mistake was to assume that the oil industry knew what they were doing.
In my experience of industry thats a very commonly made mistake.
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ATG
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Reciprocity wrote:

ATG wrote:

BP is the worlds 4th largest company...
Normally damages are litigated in court, not decided by some czar. Why does America have czars anyway?
BP has seriously damaged an entire economy down there.  The people directly affected by this don't have years to wait.  They don't have money to waste on lawyers.  They need money now,  and BP has it. 

ATG wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised if they are letting this thing turn into what it is so that the American people are more comfortable with a Hugo Chavez kind of take over of the industry.



$500k

That's what a remote shut off switch would have cost. Yet Obama gives them an award. bah.
well, I hear everyone bitching that Obama isn't providing some instant solution.  If the government is responsible for cleaning up the mess maybe it should take over the industry.  Seeing as these fucking companies don't know how to operate.  You fucking conservatives seem all for unregulated capitalism until the shit hits the fan.  What should Obama have done in his first year and a half in office?  Completely overhaul the minerals management service?  So every one of you fucking conservatives could accuse him of some socialism conspiracy to take over the industry?  From what I've seen, Obama's major mistake was to assume that the oil industry knew what they were doing.
I have been in favor of full nationalization of the banks and energy industry.
Obamas form of socialism is  to take money from society while giving back little to nothing in exchange.

Take for example  Obamas " Hope for Homeowners " program.

Billions were given to banks to use to rewrite bad loans but nobody I've even heard about has gotten any sort of a loan modification that is meaningful.
Reciprocity
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OK, so now you're a socialist.  I can't keep track anymore.
Jay
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Reciprocity wrote:

OK, so now you're a socialist.  I can't keep track anymore.
Judging by his recent posts, his politics closely resemble those of this dude:

https://www.enjoyfrance.com/images/stories/world/tech/Adolf-Hitler.jpg

Just substitute 'Mexican' for 'Jew' and voila!



Edit - And I don't invoke this shit lightly, ATGs political views are almost identical to AH's.

Last edited by JohnG@lt (2010-06-17 19:19:45)

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Reciprocity
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:

OK, so now you're a socialist.  I can't keep track anymore.
Judging by his recent posts, his politics closely resemble those of this dude:

http://www.enjoyfrance.com/images/stori … Hitler.jpg

Just substitute 'Mexican' for 'Jew' and voila!



Edit - And I don't invoke this shit lightly, ATGs political views are almost identical to AH's.
He's not that crazy.  I've e-known him for over 4 years.  He just gets worked up from time to time.
ATG
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What a crock of shit.

read this JG, and stop being a simpleton douchebag trying to say I am a Nazi.

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 4#p1302804



If you are too simple to get it, that is your problem.

We the PEOPLE.
SenorToenails
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ATG wrote:

Billions were given to banks to use to rewrite bad loans but nobody I've even heard about has gotten any sort of a loan modification that is meaningful.
That is patently false.  My dad modifies loans for qualified people day in and day out for a major US bank.  Some people qualify, some don't.  Many do not because they haven't lived up to a minimum number of consecutive on-time payments (I think it was only 12...).
Dilbert_X
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"nosotros, el pueblo " Say it bitch
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Jay
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ATG, let me sum up your views as you've presented them to us. You may feel that you're misunderstood, but the reality is that you yourself lack understanding.

You want (not necessarily in this order): A strong nationalism, top down control of the economy so that businesses are beholden to the people (politicians), a well defined enemy to vent your frustrations on, a strong president that you can get behind and cheer on (and who is of the right skin color), misogyny, and a complete abhorrence of anything that disrupts a highly structured and ordered society.

Guess what ATG? What you want is Fascism.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Dilbert_X
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JohnG@lt wrote:

ATG, let me sum up your views as you've presented them to us. You may feel that you're misunderstood, but the reality is that you yourself lack understanding.

You want (not necessarily in this order): A strong nationalism, top down control of the economy so that businesses are beholden to the people (politicians), a well defined enemy to vent your frustrations on, a strong president that you can get behind and cheer on (and who is of the right skin color), misogyny, and a complete abhorrence of anything that disrupts a highly structured and ordered society.

Guess what ATG? What you want is Fascism.
No, like you he wants fascism for others and libertarianism for himself.
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ATG
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here another one you idjits.

ATG wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

Why did you delete all the facts about the Bush administration?  Realise you sounded like a so called 'lib'?

In the text you deleted you call foul of the bush administrations propaganda war with the American people and how 100 000 people are dead because of it. Yet you suck in all the propaganda labeling every Muslim a terrorist and support any American racists' bigoted views blindly, based on the perception of someone you have never met who is probably from mid American hick town?
Dude I think your going through a crises of conscience of late.................if your not..............you should be.
This part of the series was supposed to be about not only the Bush Admin, but world wide governments and corruption.

As the text you fancied was a copy/paste I thought there was no doubt  it could be replaced with better info.


Many Muslims are terrorists.  Any person who seeks to control my beliefs and destabilize the world is a terrorist.


I originally agreed with the concept behind the war. I thought going to Iraq was a bold, yet risky move, one that could have helped lead to a long term peace in the region. Yet, we have botched it in almost every way imaginable. We could be killing people planting IED and crossing the border with Iran. We should perhaps be going after Al -Qaida in Pakistan. If we were serious about the GWOT we would be dealing with Saudi Arabia and Syria.

What we have instead is the Democrats doing everything possible to ensure America loses faith in the war and our soldiers. We have Republicans doing everything possible on their end to make this was as far reaching, ill-defined and profitable as possible.

And next election we will still get to chose from asshole souless bastards from the same two major parties.

To be honest, I am so fucking disgusted with everything I would actually consider conversion to Islam and adaptation to Sharia.

Anything seems better than the free fall into national and cultural suicide we are in now.

The info I deleted has been discussed extensively and you should rejoice as I have admitted defeat and abandoned my support for the U.S. government.

GunSlinga and other esteemed member of our services; my feelings about you and your service to our nation has not changed.
I got branded a republican.

I never embraced that. I have YEARS of posts backing up my concept of a complete planetary overthrow and redo.

We are herded, divided, fucked over and plundered. It is politicians who keep groups of colored people down and out. It is politicians who order the deaths of Jews. Call it anarchy. Call it revolution, call it war, I don't care.

The fact is, most of you are mindless sheep who do not even realize how effectively you are herded.
You are the simpletons who will line up obediently and march off into the showers.
You are the drones that think you have a choice.


You have no choice.


You are divided so effectively so can't see you are already conquered. You would never unite behind the cause of Freedom for all people and death to tyrants. You would never sacrifice your temporary comforts and perceived freedoms to give to a random stranger the same chance.



What I do here is vent. If you equate anything I have ever said here to Nazism you are a fucking moron.
Jay
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Dilbert_X wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

ATG, let me sum up your views as you've presented them to us. You may feel that you're misunderstood, but the reality is that you yourself lack understanding.

You want (not necessarily in this order): A strong nationalism, top down control of the economy so that businesses are beholden to the people (politicians), a well defined enemy to vent your frustrations on, a strong president that you can get behind and cheer on (and who is of the right skin color), misogyny, and a complete abhorrence of anything that disrupts a highly structured and ordered society.

Guess what ATG? What you want is Fascism.
No, like you he wants fascism for others and libertarianism for himself.
The last few days I got the impression that we could be civil towards each other. That clearly isn't the case.

Last edited by JohnG@lt (2010-06-17 19:35:41)

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
ATG
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JohnG@lt wrote:

The last few days I figured we could be civil towards each other. That clearly isn't the case.

JohnG@lt wrote:

In an effort to 'clean up DST', the following people will no longer be replied to: ruisleipa, Dilbert_X, nlsme1, Mitch, oug, pace51, ATG
Now back to your regularly scheduled flame war.
Is that a spine or a rubber band?

You are addicted to this, you can't even go 24 hours.
Pathetic.
Dilbert_X
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JohnG@lt wrote:

The last few days I got the impression that we could be civil towards each other. That clearly isn't the case.
Stop taking yourself, and this forum, so seriously.
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