BF2S Forums I.C.E. to turn Illegal Alien Detention Centers into resorts

I wasn't turning this into some kind of anti-Gitmo thread, it was a joke...

Turquoise wrote:

And all of this started because American employers were too cheap to pay their workers a decent wage, and because the rest of us were too cheap to be willing to pay for American goods and services made by American labor.

Seems like you pinned down the root of the problem there: turbo-capitalism at its best.
The next step would be out-sourcing to some far-away Asian country, which then has to deal with all the problems.

As long as these people have a chance to find work on the black market, they will come to the US, as their life is more miserable south of the border.
No Gulag-style detention center, no Berlin Wall-like border reinforcments will stop this illegal immigration as long as the economic and social differences between the countries are as crass as they're now.

Also, you seem to forget this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_in_ … ted_States
You simply can't put them in prison as if they were dangerous felons.

But yes, alongside with solving the problem of illicit workers in the US, there has to be done a lot against human smugglers and drug cartels in Mexico and the USA should increase the diplomatic pressure.

CapnNismo wrote:

Turq, I suggest you try to live in the life of an illegal immigrant. Personally I would be happy to know that people will go to any lengths they can to escape the existence that is there in Mexico. I truly feel sorry for the people that are also taken advantage of by the drug cartels and forced to work for them so their wife and kids aren't murdered. It's not all black and white out there, there's a whole lot of gray in between...

That's Mexico's problem, not mine.

globefish23 wrote:

Also, you seem to forget this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_in_ … ted_States
You simply can't put them in prison as if they were dangerous felons.

But yes, alongside with solving the problem of illicit workers in the US, there has to be done a lot against human smugglers and drug cartels in Mexico and the USA should increase the diplomatic pressure.

The Asylum point is a good one, but hopefully, we'll change that policy very soon.  We have too many poor people as it is.

Turquoise wrote:

nlsme1 wrote:

These are not punitive facilities. Why should they have the feel of one?

They should be punitive.  They broke the law.

These are the facilities they are sent too AFTER they complete their sentence. Should ALL convicts be treated like they are still in a punitive environment upon release?

CapnNismo wrote:

Turq, I suggest you try to live in the life of an illegal immigrant. Personally I would be happy to know that people will go to any lengths they can to escape the existence that is there in Mexico. I truly feel sorry for the people that are also taken advantage of by the drug cartels and forced to work for them so their wife and kids aren't murdered. It's not all black and white out there, there's a whole lot of gray in between...

Aren't you an American living in Vienna?

Macbeth wrote:

CapnNismo wrote:

Turq, I suggest you try to live in the life of an illegal immigrant. Personally I would be happy to know that people will go to any lengths they can to escape the existence that is there in Mexico. I truly feel sorry for the people that are also taken advantage of by the drug cartels and forced to work for them so their wife and kids aren't murdered. It's not all black and white out there, there's a whole lot of gray in between...

Aren't you an American living in Vienna?

Yea, why? If anything, having moved to a foreign country and had contact with those also moving here to try and make a better life for themselves (I have a number of immigrant friends from second and third world countries) has made me more aware and sensitive to the lives that these people live and the fact that nationalism of the type that Turq is preaching is only hurting the world.

Macbeth wrote:

CapnNismo wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Aren't you an American living in Vienna?

Yea, why? If anything, having moved to a foreign country and had contact with those also moving here to try and make a better life for themselves (I have a number of immigrant friends from second and third world countries) has made me more aware and sensitive to the lives that these people live and the fact that nationalism of the type that Turq is preaching is only hurting the world.

Just checking, it makes sense that you wouldn't understand the concept of not wanting the place you lived and grown up in to be destroyed by immigrants since you yourself jumped over to Austria. Typical immigrant nomad mentality you have TBH.

Yes, but he's so worldly now... and dreamy.

BLdw wrote:

What's the problem with illegal immigrants in USA anyway?

they're taking the jobs, the welfare, and the good parking spots at Walma®t!

CapnNismo wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

CapnNismo wrote:

Turq, I suggest you try to live in the life of an illegal immigrant. Personally I would be happy to know that people will go to any lengths they can to escape the existence that is there in Mexico. I truly feel sorry for the people that are also taken advantage of by the drug cartels and forced to work for them so their wife and kids aren't murdered. It's not all black and white out there, there's a whole lot of gray in between...

Aren't you an American living in Vienna?

Yea, why? If anything, having moved to a foreign country and had contact with those also moving here to try and make a better life for themselves (I have a number of immigrant friends from second and third world countries) has made me more aware and sensitive to the lives that these people live and the fact that nationalism of the type that Turq is preaching is only hurting the world.

I have no problem with people coming here to make a better life for themselves, as long as they come in legally.  Go through the proper channels like most everyone else.  Work here legally and pay your taxes legally.  Take advantages of our social services because you paid into it, and employer has paid into SDI, etc.

burnzz wrote:

BLdw wrote:

What's the problem with illegal immigrants in USA anyway?

they're taking the jobs, the welfare, and the good parking spots at Walma®t!

TBH, the "possibly" illegal hispanics (beat up cars and many kids in tow) that frequent my local Walmart are friendlier than the legal (wealthier) Hispanics.  The legal ones are the ones that don't give a shit about dinging my car with their Escalades and Navigators.

That ex-manager at the Sizzler should pursue legal recourse.  He's up for some major compensation for wrongful termination.

CapnNismo wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

CapnNismo wrote:

Turq, I suggest you try to live in the life of an illegal immigrant. Personally I would be happy to know that people will go to any lengths they can to escape the existence that is there in Mexico. I truly feel sorry for the people that are also taken advantage of by the drug cartels and forced to work for them so their wife and kids aren't murdered. It's not all black and white out there, there's a whole lot of gray in between...

Aren't you an American living in Vienna?

Yea, why? If anything, having moved to a foreign country and had contact with those also moving here to try and make a better life for themselves (I have a number of immigrant friends from second and third world countries) has made me more aware and sensitive to the lives that these people live and the fact that nationalism of the type that Turq is preaching is only hurting the world.

I hear what you're saying, but I don't consider wanting immigration laws to be enforced swiftly and consistently to be nationalism.  I just consider it common sense.

If you want to come here for a better life, follow our rules in doing so.  Otherwise, don't complain if you get busted.

open border for economies = open border for immigration

no one forced them to sneak in, but they aren't going to sit around and die.  Increased immigration is at least in part a repercussion of NAFTA

nlsme1 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

nlsme1 wrote:

These are the facilities they are sent too AFTER they complete their sentence. Should ALL convicts be treated like they are still in a punitive environment upon release?

If the laws broken involve trespassing in this country, I consider them sentenced until they are deported.

YOU do.

Well, it makes sense, right?  If you were charged with breaking into a police station, you'd be considered in custody until they released you.

The difference here is that these people essentially "broke into" our country.  As long as they are here, they are in custody.  A detention center should be the kind of place people dread, not enjoy.