Harmor
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ICE to make detention centers more humane

via. http://www.kfiam640.com/pages/jk2010.html

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chron wrote:

The 28 changes identified in the e-mail range from the superficial to the substantive. In addition to “softening the look of the facility” with hanging plants and offering fresh carrot sticks, ICE will allow for the “free movement” of low-risk detainees, expand visiting hours and provide unmonitored phone lines.

ICE officials said the changes are part of broader efforts to make the immigration detention system less penal and more humane.

But the plans are prompting protests by ICE's union leaders, who say they will jeopardize the safety of agents, guards and detainees and increase the bottom line for taxpayers. Tre Rebstock, president for Local 3332, the ICE union in Houston, likened the changes to creating “an all-inclusive resort” for immigration detainees.

“Our biggest concern is that someone is going to get hurt,” he said, taking particular issue with plans to relax restrictions on the movement of low-risk detainees and efforts to reduce and eliminate pat-down searches.

The changes outlined in the ICE e-mail are planned for nine detention centers owned and operated by Corrections Corporation of America, including the 900-bed Houston Contract Detention Facility on the city's north side.

Some of the changes will be implemented within 30 days; others may take up to six months, said Beth Gibson, ICE's senior counselor to Assistant Secretary John Morton and a leader of the detention reform effort.

Other major changes include:

•  Eliminating lockdowns and lights-out for low-risk detainees.

•  Allowing visitors to stay as long as they like in a 12-hour period.

•  Providing a unit manger so detainees have someone to report problems to other than the guard.

•  Allowing low-risk detainees to wear their own clothing or other non-penal attire.

•  Providing e-mail access and Internet-based free phone service.
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These detention centers often have illegal aliens who have finished their prison sentence and are on their way to their home country.  They can be at these centers for a week to 2 months at any onetime depending on the availability of a judge to handle their immigration violations.  If only 5% of them are bad...that means that the union of patrol agents is against this because of the safety of its offers and those detained in the facility.

For example, they removed the doors in the ward and soon thereafter many women were raped in the facility.

"They will be offering dance classes, art classes, cooking classes, movie nights, bingo, continental breakfast and even fresh carrot sticks!

Call this doofus John Morton from ICE and ask him why they are using taxpayer money to pay for illegal alien resorts!  This must be stopped! You are paying for this!

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Oh, and to put a cherry on the top of all this...we're going to pay for all this.
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What a guy.
ATG
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Blindfold and cigarette?
Spark
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No way! Fresh carrot sticks!
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
AussieReaper
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Other major changes include:

•  Eliminating lockdowns and lights-out for low-risk detainees.

•  Allowing visitors to stay as long as they like in a 12-hour period.

•  Providing a unit manger so detainees have someone to report problems to other than the guard.

•  Allowing low-risk detainees to wear their own clothing or other non-penal attire.

•  Providing e-mail access and Internet-based free phone service.
Wow. This must be a 5 star resort.
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Harmor
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AussieReaper wrote:

Other major changes include:

•  Eliminating lockdowns and lights-out for low-risk detainees.

•  Allowing visitors to stay as long as they like in a 12-hour period.

•  Providing a unit manger so detainees have someone to report problems to other than the guard.

•  Allowing low-risk detainees to wear their own clothing or other non-penal attire.

•  Providing e-mail access and Internet-based free phone service.
Wow. This must be a 5 star resort.
Don't forget the following as well from the article.

  • detainees will see more variety in their dining hall menus
  • have self-serve beverage bars
  • fresh vegetable bars
  • movie nights
  • bingo
  • arts and crafts
  • dance clases
  • cooking classes
  • tutoring (in what????)
  • computer training
  • Detainees also will be allowed four hours or more of recreation “in a natural setting, allowing for robust aerobic exercise.” (i.e. a place to play soccer)
  • improving the look of the facilities
  • requiring plants
  • fresh paint
  • new bedding in lower-risk units (as apposed to the drab they have now)
AussieReaper
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And how does that make you feel?

I can't believe that you are seriously jealous for the detainees. Especially considering these are the ones deemed to be low risk.
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Turquoise
O Canada
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AussieReaper wrote:

And how does that make you feel?

I can't believe that you are seriously jealous for the detainees. Especially considering these are the ones deemed to be low risk.
Detention is supposed to be punitive, not recreational.
AussieReaper
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Turquoise wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

And how does that make you feel?

I can't believe that you are seriously jealous for the detainees. Especially considering these are the ones deemed to be low risk.
Detention is supposed to be punitive, not recreational.
You're talking about families here. Many with young children.

The idea to make a center less penal and more humane to me sounds like a good thing. And as such fresh carrot sticks should be a right, not a luxury. lol
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Turquoise
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AussieReaper wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

And how does that make you feel?

I can't believe that you are seriously jealous for the detainees. Especially considering these are the ones deemed to be low risk.
Detention is supposed to be punitive, not recreational.
You're talking about families here. Many with young children.

The idea to make a center less penal and more humane to me sounds like a good thing. And as such fresh carrot sticks should be a right, not a luxury. lol
Yep, and these same families were putting those children in danger to begin with by crossing the border.  They knew the risks, so they should be willing to deal with the consequences.  The children are unfortunately collateral in this situation.

The detention centers should be intimidating and something to be feared, not something that people see as a hotel.
Reciprocity
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oh, no.  sounds to me like the end of our civilization.  On the scale of criminal activity, illegal immigration is right up there with baby rape and pregnant lady murder.  I'm in favor of an unending, alternating row of impaled and crucified mexican women and children along the border.  Show 'em we mean business.


as long as they don't get tempur-pedic mattresses, I don't give a shit.

Last edited by Reciprocity (2010-06-12 23:18:20)

Turquoise
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Reciprocity wrote:

oh, no.  sounds to me like the end of our civilization.  On the scale of criminal activity, illegal immigration is right up there with baby rape and pregnant lady murder.  I'm in favor of an unending, alternating row of impaled and crucified mexican women and children along the border.  Show 'em we mean business.


as long as they don't get tempur-pedic matresses, I don't give a shit.
The main reason we haven't resolved the illegal situation is because we're too soft.

We're too soft to prosecute employers of illegals, and we're too soft to deport them most of the time.  We're also too soft to sanction Mexico for being complicit in this illegal immigration.  We're too soft to deal with the border messes involving drug cartels that Mexico clearly is unable to deal with.

And all of this started because American employers were too cheap to pay their workers a decent wage, and because the rest of us were too cheap to be willing to pay for American goods and services made by American labor.

It's really quite sad.
Shahter
Zee Ruskie
+295|7060|Moscow, Russia
holy fking hell, people, you are mad there. i tell you, you are out of your mind. you should have these illegal fuckers work 16 ours a day fixing your roads, tending to your crops and digging holes in the grownd in which they should be buried then. this PC crap is destroying you. what a fucking joke.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
AussieReaper
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Turquoise wrote:

Yep, and these same families were putting those children in danger to begin with by crossing the border.  They knew the risks, so they should be willing to deal with the consequences.  The children are unfortunately collateral in this situation.

The detention centers should be intimidating and something to be feared, not something that people see as a hotel.
Well the moment you just dismiss innocent children as "collateral" I think you've lost any sense of empathy for the people in this situation.
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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6690|North Carolina

AussieReaper wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Yep, and these same families were putting those children in danger to begin with by crossing the border.  They knew the risks, so they should be willing to deal with the consequences.  The children are unfortunately collateral in this situation.

The detention centers should be intimidating and something to be feared, not something that people see as a hotel.
Well the moment you just dismiss innocent children as "collateral" I think you've lost any sense of empathy for the people in this situation.
I have empathy for American citizens.  I don't have empathy for non-citizens....  not in this situation anyway.
Spark
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Turquoise wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:

oh, no.  sounds to me like the end of our civilization.  On the scale of criminal activity, illegal immigration is right up there with baby rape and pregnant lady murder.  I'm in favor of an unending, alternating row of impaled and crucified mexican women and children along the border.  Show 'em we mean business.


as long as they don't get tempur-pedic matresses, I don't give a shit.
The main reason we haven't resolved the illegal situation is because we're too soft.

We're too soft to prosecute employers of illegals, and we're too soft to deport them most of the time.  We're also too soft to sanction Mexico for being complicit in this illegal immigration.  We're too soft to deal with the border messes involving drug cartels that Mexico clearly is unable to deal with.

And all of this started because American employers were too cheap to pay their workers a decent wage, and because the rest of us were too cheap to be willing to pay for American goods and services made by American labor.

It's really quite sad.
What goes around...
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6690|North Carolina

Spark wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:

oh, no.  sounds to me like the end of our civilization.  On the scale of criminal activity, illegal immigration is right up there with baby rape and pregnant lady murder.  I'm in favor of an unending, alternating row of impaled and crucified mexican women and children along the border.  Show 'em we mean business.


as long as they don't get tempur-pedic matresses, I don't give a shit.
The main reason we haven't resolved the illegal situation is because we're too soft.

We're too soft to prosecute employers of illegals, and we're too soft to deport them most of the time.  We're also too soft to sanction Mexico for being complicit in this illegal immigration.  We're too soft to deal with the border messes involving drug cartels that Mexico clearly is unable to deal with.

And all of this started because American employers were too cheap to pay their workers a decent wage, and because the rest of us were too cheap to be willing to pay for American goods and services made by American labor.

It's really quite sad.
What goes around...
Yep, it's why I'm leaving this fucking place eventually.  All good things must come to an end, and America is selling itself out.

Canada is in a much better position comparatively.
Reciprocity
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Turquoise wrote:

and because the rest of us were too cheap to be willing to pay for American goods and services made by American labor.

It's really quite sad.
mostly this. 


If I was born is a shithole like mexico, I'd do everything I could to get here, too. legally or otherwise.  There should be immigration control, but I also understand why most of these people come here.  hmm, rot in Juarez or sneak into the US and get a job no American wants anyways?
Turquoise
O Canada
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Reciprocity wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

and because the rest of us were too cheap to be willing to pay for American goods and services made by American labor.

It's really quite sad.
mostly this. 


If I was born is a shithole like mexico, I'd do everything I could to get here, too. legally or otherwise.  There should be immigration control, but I also understand why most of these people come here.  hmm, rot in Juarez or sneak into the US and get a job no American wants anyways?
No argument here, but I guarantee you that if the shoe were on the other foot, Mexico would have no problem getting rid of illegal American immigrants.  Look at what they do to illegal Guatemalans.

We're probably the nicest country in the world to illegals.  I can't think of any other country that has such support for people who enter a country illegally.  I know Canada certainly isn't as liberal as us about this.
krazed
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Turquoise wrote:

I know Canada certainly isn't as liberal as us about this.
yeah well we still have a long way to go on it too tbh
Harmor
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Here are some illegals that will be going to a detention center:

Authorities raid Sizzler restaurants in Phoenix

via http://www.drudgereport.com/
AussieReaper
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Oh no!

Not sizzler!
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Cybargs
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Gitmo has those sort of facilities too...
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ghettoperson
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Cybargs wrote:

Gitmo has those sort of facilities too...
In Gitmo they stick a bunch of carrots in buckets of water, so when they waterboard people it can be healthy and interrogational!
Cybargs
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ghettoperson wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Gitmo has those sort of facilities too...
In Gitmo they stick a bunch of carrots in buckets of water, so when they waterboard people it can be healthy and interrogational!
Oh noez! they waterboarded terrorists! they have their human rights as well!

Maybe they should be treated the same way they treat American POW's?
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