stop making senseless posts, and I think you will not get -karma.
Capt. Foley said "YOU HAVE TO BE A FUCKING IDIOT TO BELIVE THAT SHIT
i swear 2 god
the people on this forum are either
a. extremly libreal and HATE BUSH and will do anything to bash him
b. complete dumbasses
c. a few people here actualy bother to take there head out of there ass and think
do u think it would be able 2 be covered up
those things being said can not be truth
do u think that more people would be arguing that this is a conspiricy if they thought this had even a small chance of being true
my god u people are retard"
Spoken like a TRUE Bible Thumping Sister Dating Texass Republican!! If you think that they did'nt KNOW
it was going to happen your the one that needs to PULL YOUR HEAD OUT..and YES I HATE BUSH!! he is
the WORST President we have EVER HAD!!!! even Garfield and McKinnley were better at the Job!!!
and even if we OVERLOOK most of what Bush has done for us let us NOT FORGET that he gave his buddies
the Saudies a pass even though 11 of the 19 were Saudie Citizens!!! We should have INVADED Saudia Arabia instead of Iraq. Then atleast we would have gotten the one's WHO FUND most of the AL Qadia Operations. And let us not forget that Bush is a beliver of "This is the END of World" and we have NO Reason
to save the Envirorment as Jesus is comming SOON!!! what a LOAD of CRAP!!!
IMO we should OUTLAW Religon as all it ever leads to is WAR in the name of some GOD be it Christian, Jewish or Muslim!!!!!
i swear 2 god
the people on this forum are either
a. extremly libreal and HATE BUSH and will do anything to bash him
b. complete dumbasses
c. a few people here actualy bother to take there head out of there ass and think
do u think it would be able 2 be covered up
those things being said can not be truth
do u think that more people would be arguing that this is a conspiricy if they thought this had even a small chance of being true
my god u people are retard"
Spoken like a TRUE Bible Thumping Sister Dating Texass Republican!! If you think that they did'nt KNOW
it was going to happen your the one that needs to PULL YOUR HEAD OUT..and YES I HATE BUSH!! he is
the WORST President we have EVER HAD!!!! even Garfield and McKinnley were better at the Job!!!
and even if we OVERLOOK most of what Bush has done for us let us NOT FORGET that he gave his buddies
the Saudies a pass even though 11 of the 19 were Saudie Citizens!!! We should have INVADED Saudia Arabia instead of Iraq. Then atleast we would have gotten the one's WHO FUND most of the AL Qadia Operations. And let us not forget that Bush is a beliver of "This is the END of World" and we have NO Reason
to save the Envirorment as Jesus is comming SOON!!! what a LOAD of CRAP!!!
IMO we should OUTLAW Religon as all it ever leads to is WAR in the name of some GOD be it Christian, Jewish or Muslim!!!!!
Last edited by Baron420 (2006-04-26 13:11:27)
Going to say in advance, not flaming anyone here, just some thoughts gathered to reinact my thoughts:
From http://www.bfrecroom.com/forum_viewtopic.php?41.17987
"I'll agree that they had warnings, but if anyone actually believes we staged it, I would reccomend getting your heads out of your Area 51 UFO photos and look at the facts. I can make up anything I want too. Just take the footage I like and call it the Speghetti incident.
A big Ronzoni monster came and grabbed 2 planes and threw them at the towers... yeah.. something like that.
I guess that's why we have freedom of speech... they have every right to state their opinions..."
"And Bill Cosby has a few Doctor's of Psychology. The point is... this is the worst example of bending the truth to fit your needs. The plane that hit the Empire State was a B25.. not a B52. BIG difference in size and weight. Also, the WTC was built with a columnless layout as opposed to the other buildings he commented on. AND... he clearly tries to manipulate the viewer by subtitling the fire chief as saying floors 7 & 8 when he says "floor 7_8, floor 78". What a crock of sh*t."
"RS I SO AGREE WITH YOU!!!!! Well that was an hour or so of my life wasted… About 10 minutes into it I started jotting down some things that this Dan Rather wannabe was trying to pass off as conspiracy.
Let me start with the FDNY statements. First my heart still bleeds for the 343 of the bravest who answered their final alarm that day. I hurt today just as much as I did then. I take this very seriously and it is one of the reasons that I am on my Fire Departments Honor guard. The statements that the FDNY made about explosions to me where drawn out by the dip crap-4-crap that created this video. This part along with the rest of the video was thrown so far out of perspective it was to the point of ridiculous. Any firefighter that has ever been in a structure fire of any sorts will tell you that there are explosions. I have been in several different fires and have had all kinds of stuff “blow up” around me. Smoke itself can explode, look it up.
Simple enough,…. the differences between a building that has stood for several hours during a fire and one that just had a 767 that is weighing 450,000 pounds and holding close to 28,000 gallons of jet fuel is pretty obvious, not to mention that the WTC was designed to with stand the impact of a 707 not a 767. I love all the web sights that claim that the WTC was designed to with stand a 767 hitting it when in fact the 767 was not developed until 10 years after the trade center was built!!!!! BTW the thing with the aircraft hitting the empire state building and it not collapsing.. That building is made out of concrete… not steel which starts to fail in temp of 1100 degrees. Not to mention that the aircraft type was a b-25 WW II era bomber… not a B 52 that this freakin idiot claims it to be. That alone tells me that this guy is just about as lowly of a piece of crap-4-crap that the freakin terrorists where that flew the plane into the towers themselves.
The last thing that I am going to mention is this. All of the video that this guys shows of buildings being brought down during demolition you can clearly see the blasts that are going off you can hear the pops of the explosion. He tries to show you in the sequence when the towers where falling of so called “explosions” that where going off. This guy slows the tape down, then uses some kind of film editing in order to “highlight” these so called explosions. Yet he does not show one in real time without all of his “look here” editing.
I could not finish watching this tape. I appreciate the offer of “information” but I have to pass on it I could only hope that this guy put as much effort into donations, goods, or services to the families of 9/11 as he did putting this conspiracy theory horse crap-4-crap together.
For those of you out there who want to continuously put this kind of asinine trash over the internet in order to gain fame or attention. I hope that one day you truly step back and see the big picture as to what’s going on in this world. I would hope that you come to understand that by feeding the flames of this useless crap you further weaken a country that is already hurting bad enough as it is. For those of you that wish to believe in this sh1it I would recommend putting down the bong, quit drinking the water, and come back to reality."
"But still.. the subtitles being completely wrong in order to make a point"
"it’s the flat out misleading “facts” that this guy puts out there in attempts to suck people into his agenda"
To top it off, heres a video.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … +brokeback
From http://www.bfrecroom.com/forum_viewtopic.php?41.17987
"I'll agree that they had warnings, but if anyone actually believes we staged it, I would reccomend getting your heads out of your Area 51 UFO photos and look at the facts. I can make up anything I want too. Just take the footage I like and call it the Speghetti incident.
A big Ronzoni monster came and grabbed 2 planes and threw them at the towers... yeah.. something like that.
I guess that's why we have freedom of speech... they have every right to state their opinions..."
"And Bill Cosby has a few Doctor's of Psychology. The point is... this is the worst example of bending the truth to fit your needs. The plane that hit the Empire State was a B25.. not a B52. BIG difference in size and weight. Also, the WTC was built with a columnless layout as opposed to the other buildings he commented on. AND... he clearly tries to manipulate the viewer by subtitling the fire chief as saying floors 7 & 8 when he says "floor 7_8, floor 78". What a crock of sh*t."
"RS I SO AGREE WITH YOU!!!!! Well that was an hour or so of my life wasted… About 10 minutes into it I started jotting down some things that this Dan Rather wannabe was trying to pass off as conspiracy.
Let me start with the FDNY statements. First my heart still bleeds for the 343 of the bravest who answered their final alarm that day. I hurt today just as much as I did then. I take this very seriously and it is one of the reasons that I am on my Fire Departments Honor guard. The statements that the FDNY made about explosions to me where drawn out by the dip crap-4-crap that created this video. This part along with the rest of the video was thrown so far out of perspective it was to the point of ridiculous. Any firefighter that has ever been in a structure fire of any sorts will tell you that there are explosions. I have been in several different fires and have had all kinds of stuff “blow up” around me. Smoke itself can explode, look it up.
Simple enough,…. the differences between a building that has stood for several hours during a fire and one that just had a 767 that is weighing 450,000 pounds and holding close to 28,000 gallons of jet fuel is pretty obvious, not to mention that the WTC was designed to with stand the impact of a 707 not a 767. I love all the web sights that claim that the WTC was designed to with stand a 767 hitting it when in fact the 767 was not developed until 10 years after the trade center was built!!!!! BTW the thing with the aircraft hitting the empire state building and it not collapsing.. That building is made out of concrete… not steel which starts to fail in temp of 1100 degrees. Not to mention that the aircraft type was a b-25 WW II era bomber… not a B 52 that this freakin idiot claims it to be. That alone tells me that this guy is just about as lowly of a piece of crap-4-crap that the freakin terrorists where that flew the plane into the towers themselves.
The last thing that I am going to mention is this. All of the video that this guys shows of buildings being brought down during demolition you can clearly see the blasts that are going off you can hear the pops of the explosion. He tries to show you in the sequence when the towers where falling of so called “explosions” that where going off. This guy slows the tape down, then uses some kind of film editing in order to “highlight” these so called explosions. Yet he does not show one in real time without all of his “look here” editing.
I could not finish watching this tape. I appreciate the offer of “information” but I have to pass on it I could only hope that this guy put as much effort into donations, goods, or services to the families of 9/11 as he did putting this conspiracy theory horse crap-4-crap together.
For those of you out there who want to continuously put this kind of asinine trash over the internet in order to gain fame or attention. I hope that one day you truly step back and see the big picture as to what’s going on in this world. I would hope that you come to understand that by feeding the flames of this useless crap you further weaken a country that is already hurting bad enough as it is. For those of you that wish to believe in this sh1it I would recommend putting down the bong, quit drinking the water, and come back to reality."
"But still.. the subtitles being completely wrong in order to make a point"
"it’s the flat out misleading “facts” that this guy puts out there in attempts to suck people into his agenda"
To top it off, heres a video.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … +brokeback
I'm sure some voice of reason has already said this, but I'm not going to read 16 pages of worthless divel, so here goes:
Engineers and architects have already confirmed that if an explosion like this happened that the towers would indeed have fallen exactly how they did. That is how these buildings are built.
Secondly, the current administration was only in the white house a matter of months before 9/11, do you smacktards really think that something like this could have been planned in such a short period of time? Especially when many terrorists have admitted that they were in the US for YEARS studying how to fly planes, and learning routes and such.
Plus all of these things were going on and being planned during the Clinton administration, not the Bush admin. I could go on all day, but I actually have a life and don't have time to reply any more to a bunch of retards.
Engineers and architects have already confirmed that if an explosion like this happened that the towers would indeed have fallen exactly how they did. That is how these buildings are built.
Secondly, the current administration was only in the white house a matter of months before 9/11, do you smacktards really think that something like this could have been planned in such a short period of time? Especially when many terrorists have admitted that they were in the US for YEARS studying how to fly planes, and learning routes and such.
Plus all of these things were going on and being planned during the Clinton administration, not the Bush admin. I could go on all day, but I actually have a life and don't have time to reply any more to a bunch of retards.
Exactly what someone in the skull and bones illuminati golden key would say.... you're a member, aren't you? I knew it.... we're surrounded men. We're gonna have to fight our way out....rdx-fx wrote:
You don't need to invent a Secret Cabal of Illuminati, if a more reasonable explanation exists.
Edited to say nice friggin post rdfx89-pqr 9'er.... forgot your name, even though I read it 5 seconds ago, but nice post, well written.
Last edited by Erkut.hv (2006-04-27 06:52:02)
Noted: Forgotten, Next.
yeh, it was staged, just like the first time the twin towers were bombed by Clinton in the 90s.
Now remember to vote, all you liberals that have it all figured out.
GO Hilary/Osama in 2008!!!!
Now remember to vote, all you liberals that have it all figured out.
GO Hilary/Osama in 2008!!!!
Omg god this is brought up again..lmao..
Some things to think about
That’s an awfully large number of co-conspirators.Why would Al Qaeda take credit for it if our Goverment was responsible? ...
I think maybe because to prevent some embarrsing failures by the govt. But I doubt they plotted.
The main event of the evening was a documentary entitled "Loose Change" by young filmmaker Dylan Avery. Through more than an hour of rehashed news reports, articles, eyewitness accounts and slowed-down video clips, the film postulates that the events of September 11, 2001 were actually conceived and carried out by clandestine operatives acting on behalf of the U.S. government.
The film is clearly not an overnight project and much of the evidence presented is compelling, particularly a section that deals with the attack on the Pentagon. Avery points out that the hole left in the building is nowhere near the size or shape of the jet airliner that allegedly crashed into it, and photos of the site seem to show no wreckage from a jet. The film conjectures that it was more likely a cruise missile that hit the building, pointing to eyewitness accounts of two “planes#65533;? approaching the Pentagon, one small and fast-moving, the other similar to a large military aircraft like a C-130. Add to the mix the surveillance tapes from nearby businesses that were confiscated by the FBI and an eerie satellite photo taken before the attack that appears to show the path of the impact marked out in chalk across the Pentagon lawn and you have more than enough reason to get Oliver Stone on the phone.
What about the World Trade Center you ask? Avery gives us accounts that the first plane had military markings and looked “like no jet I’ve ever seen#65533;? according to one eyewitness. He adds the fact that no modern skyscrapers have ever collapsed from fire, in fact his evidence seems to indicate that a deliberate implosion took place. How? Well, slow down the video of the collapse and there does appear to be a serious of charges going off in the buildings as they fall. And there was that strange power outage a few weeks before that took all the security cameras off-line in the trade center to make it convenient for explosives to be installed without being detected. Creepy yes, but not quite a slam dunk.
But wait, what happened to the black boxes? An exhaustive look at the specs for the boxes seems to reveal there is no way seven out of eight of them should have been damaged in the collapse as the government claims, (The FBI has not released the contents of the eighth.) particularly since the paper passport of one of the alleged hijackers was found intact.
Speaking of those pesky hijackers, where are they now? Avery claims that almost half of them are in fact still alive and well and piloting commercial planes halfway around the world.
This is where things begin to fall apart for the theory and the film’s credibility in my mind, because if this is the case, it is certainly a veritable smoking gun. However, Avery presents absolutely nothing to substantiate the claim or even a terse explanation of how he came across the information. And if Avery is able to locate living hijackers, what then is his answer for the hundreds of people whose families are quite convinced they died aboard hijacked flights that were actually a military dummy plane or a cruise missile according to the film? If no jetliner crashed into the Pentagon, where are the passengers that were allegedly on that flight? That’s an awfully large number of co-conspirators.
Avery does present a wealth of important and overlooked reporting from that day. The evidence of some sort of cover-up is undeniable – something that can be expected from an administration possibly seeking to hide some of the more embarrassing aspects of the country’s worst catastrophe – but to assume that such efforts must certainly amount to an admission of involvement or ultimate responsibility is just too much of a leap, I hope.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science … =1&c=y
Have you guy's not heard the cockpit recorder from flight 93 that was released? (Film states other things happened) http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/07/22/911.flight.93/
Also the film says the was no plane debris from the pentagon attack.
Some things to think about
That’s an awfully large number of co-conspirators.Why would Al Qaeda take credit for it if our Goverment was responsible? ...
I think maybe because to prevent some embarrsing failures by the govt. But I doubt they plotted.
The main event of the evening was a documentary entitled "Loose Change" by young filmmaker Dylan Avery. Through more than an hour of rehashed news reports, articles, eyewitness accounts and slowed-down video clips, the film postulates that the events of September 11, 2001 were actually conceived and carried out by clandestine operatives acting on behalf of the U.S. government.
The film is clearly not an overnight project and much of the evidence presented is compelling, particularly a section that deals with the attack on the Pentagon. Avery points out that the hole left in the building is nowhere near the size or shape of the jet airliner that allegedly crashed into it, and photos of the site seem to show no wreckage from a jet. The film conjectures that it was more likely a cruise missile that hit the building, pointing to eyewitness accounts of two “planes#65533;? approaching the Pentagon, one small and fast-moving, the other similar to a large military aircraft like a C-130. Add to the mix the surveillance tapes from nearby businesses that were confiscated by the FBI and an eerie satellite photo taken before the attack that appears to show the path of the impact marked out in chalk across the Pentagon lawn and you have more than enough reason to get Oliver Stone on the phone.
What about the World Trade Center you ask? Avery gives us accounts that the first plane had military markings and looked “like no jet I’ve ever seen#65533;? according to one eyewitness. He adds the fact that no modern skyscrapers have ever collapsed from fire, in fact his evidence seems to indicate that a deliberate implosion took place. How? Well, slow down the video of the collapse and there does appear to be a serious of charges going off in the buildings as they fall. And there was that strange power outage a few weeks before that took all the security cameras off-line in the trade center to make it convenient for explosives to be installed without being detected. Creepy yes, but not quite a slam dunk.
But wait, what happened to the black boxes? An exhaustive look at the specs for the boxes seems to reveal there is no way seven out of eight of them should have been damaged in the collapse as the government claims, (The FBI has not released the contents of the eighth.) particularly since the paper passport of one of the alleged hijackers was found intact.
Speaking of those pesky hijackers, where are they now? Avery claims that almost half of them are in fact still alive and well and piloting commercial planes halfway around the world.
This is where things begin to fall apart for the theory and the film’s credibility in my mind, because if this is the case, it is certainly a veritable smoking gun. However, Avery presents absolutely nothing to substantiate the claim or even a terse explanation of how he came across the information. And if Avery is able to locate living hijackers, what then is his answer for the hundreds of people whose families are quite convinced they died aboard hijacked flights that were actually a military dummy plane or a cruise missile according to the film? If no jetliner crashed into the Pentagon, where are the passengers that were allegedly on that flight? That’s an awfully large number of co-conspirators.
Avery does present a wealth of important and overlooked reporting from that day. The evidence of some sort of cover-up is undeniable – something that can be expected from an administration possibly seeking to hide some of the more embarrassing aspects of the country’s worst catastrophe – but to assume that such efforts must certainly amount to an admission of involvement or ultimate responsibility is just too much of a leap, I hope.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science … =1&c=y
Have you guy's not heard the cockpit recorder from flight 93 that was released? (Film states other things happened) http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/07/22/911.flight.93/
Also the film says the was no plane debris from the pentagon attack.
Last edited by Kmarion (2006-04-29 08:11:56)
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Thought about every single one already.Kmarion wrote:
Omg god this is brought up again..lmao..
Some things to think about
As for the number of co-conspirators, the hypothetical scenario 404 illustrates a case which would not require as huge a number as you seem to imagine: http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/anal … io404.html
And Flight 93 was the one that crashed in Pennsylvania, and the black box was recovered on September 13th. What's the point your trying to make? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Air … _recorders
Isn't that photo you posted shown in the video? It's not very conclusive proof of anything.
As for the hijackers being alive, there are links to several prominent news sites with relevant articles on this page:
http://www.welfarestate.com/911/#3
Since you admit that the evidence of some kind of coverup is undeniable, a question that I would raise is: Assuming the coverup wasn't to hide involvement, is covering up the truth to hide neglect of security or bureaucratic blunder acceptable behaviour for a government?
I think that we will probably never know what happened, but it is important to try and stop an atmosphere of secrecy and coverups in Western democratic governments which could easily allow crimes such as these to be perpetrated to reach political goals.
A) I really can't imagine telling all the passenger's families on those planes the theory that their loved ones were never there. That by far saddens me the most.UnOriginalNuttah wrote:
Thought about every single one already.Kmarion wrote:
Omg god this is brought up again..lmao..
Some things to think about
A)As for the number of co-conspirators, the hypothetical scenario 404 illustrates a case which would not require as huge a number as you seem to imagine: http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/anal … io404.html
B)And Flight 93 was the one that crashed in Pennsylvania, and the black box was recovered on September 13th. What's the point your trying to make? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Air … _recorders
c)Isn't that photo you posted shown in the video? It's not very conclusive proof of anything.
d)As for the hijackers being alive, there are links to several prominent news sites with relevant articles on this page:
http://www.welfarestate.com/911/#3
D)Since you admit that the evidence of some kind of coverup is undeniable, a question that I would raise is: Assuming the coverup wasn't to hide involvement, is covering up the truth to hide neglect of security or bureaucratic blunder acceptable behaviour for a government?
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B) Point is the film illudes to the fact that there never was a plane there. I guess you didn't check my link from ccn with the script of everything that was said on that plane. Including the fact that the passengers almost took control of it. Wow, what a slap in the face. Here it is again in case you want to take the time this go around
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/07/22/911.flight.93/ .
C)I find that more CONCLUSIVE than anything else in the film.
D)Of course there was a cover up of bureaucratic blunder acceptable behaviour for a government. And let me state the obvious . The cover up stretched way beyond one person or administration. I surely hope that you don't think that all these failures were the result of a man who was in office only 6 months before the attacks. If anything the collapse of security happened under the previous administration.
It's a joke, the video says stuff like the FBI was quickly there to take all video's of the plane hitting the pentagon. Well Duh ! They were quickly mounting an investigation as to what was happening. It's stuff like that . It gets twisted and molded into making it into some idea that you are trying to convince other people into accepting.
Most of those questions in the film are answered here. http://www.popularmechanics.com/science … =1&c=y
Best line there
Healthy skepticism, it seems, has curdled into paranoia.
Last edited by Kmarion (2006-04-29 12:45:31)
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Havnt read all 16 pages, but:
Ever heard of Pearl Harbour? Not staged, but allowed to happen.would the president order the killing of 2,000 people JUST to start a war?
Healthy patriotism, it seems, has curdled into blind trust.Kmarion wrote:
Healthy skepticism, it seems, has curdled into paranoia.
A) Revelant because?
B) What are you talking about? Flight 93 wasn't one of the flights that hit Pentagon or WTC.
C) Well, that's up to you to decide. Can you help me figure out where on the plane it came from? Here's what it looks like from a visualisation which attempts to prove the official story:
D) And? Who cares who covered it up? Whoever was responsible for the cover-up, if you think they are justified to do so then we will be forced to differ on this point.
The Popular Mechanics article is interesting at best. Perhaps you could debunk these debunkings of the Popular Mechanics debunkings:
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/090305alexresponds.htm
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/pop_mech/ … hanics.htm
To be honest, I'm not suprised that the author of the Popular Mechanics article is biased towards the official story, as his cousin is Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/ma … cousin.htm
Make sure you've watched the 2nd edition of the film, as this is version asks far more relevant questions than the first.
No I'm not blinded into trust. I didn't blow this off as another cooky conspiracy theory. I looked at the video and thought it was funny at best. At some point common sense has to kick in. And perhaps since virtually every media outlet in the world has coverd 9/11 and 90 percent of them won't go near this idea of a Govt plot it has to be some sort of sign.
You do realise he talks about the flight the wen't down in PA in that video. That is what all the flight 93 stuff was about. I thought the topic was the whole video and not some little part of it.
What a rational person does is look at both sides and judge them. Yes i saw some "odd" things that I can't explain, but how about the overwhelming evidence on the other side. The conspiracy aspect is just too much of a stretch for me. Given the fact of, well you know the dead people. We could go back and forth as to the mechanics of airplanes hitting a buildings wall at 700-800 feet per second but i bet you everytime it happens there is gonna be some "wierd" results.
Since you have a problem with popular mechanics maybe these are more acceptable.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/artman/pu … 1253.shtml
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77.htm
http://urbanlegends.about.com/gi/dynami … 2002/03/14
http://news.uns.purdue.edu/UNS/html4eve … tagon.html
http://www.usatoday.com/graphics/news/g … /frame.htm <--animated
http://www.alternet.org/story/12536/
If there was any credible merit to these theories there would be a full scale investigation into these matter's. Wait, there was the "9/11" commision. http://www.9-11commission.gov/
In truth I applaud everyone who takes interest into this. I think exploring our differences helps us grow stronger and more knowledgable together. No matter who is right.
You do realise he talks about the flight the wen't down in PA in that video. That is what all the flight 93 stuff was about. I thought the topic was the whole video and not some little part of it.
What a rational person does is look at both sides and judge them. Yes i saw some "odd" things that I can't explain, but how about the overwhelming evidence on the other side. The conspiracy aspect is just too much of a stretch for me. Given the fact of, well you know the dead people. We could go back and forth as to the mechanics of airplanes hitting a buildings wall at 700-800 feet per second but i bet you everytime it happens there is gonna be some "wierd" results.
Since you have a problem with popular mechanics maybe these are more acceptable.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/artman/pu … 1253.shtml
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77.htm
http://urbanlegends.about.com/gi/dynami … 2002/03/14
http://news.uns.purdue.edu/UNS/html4eve … tagon.html
http://www.usatoday.com/graphics/news/g … /frame.htm <--animated
http://www.alternet.org/story/12536/
If there was any credible merit to these theories there would be a full scale investigation into these matter's. Wait, there was the "9/11" commision. http://www.9-11commission.gov/
In truth I applaud everyone who takes interest into this. I think exploring our differences helps us grow stronger and more knowledgable together. No matter who is right.
Last edited by Kmarion (2006-04-29 16:24:25)
Xbone Stormsurgezz
I don't think the 9/11 commision could be cited as 'full scale'. I've read the whole report and it struck me as lacking detail in certain key areas. And apart from anything, shouldn't there be some kind of court trial to determine whether any actions or lack or action by the government allowed the events to occur?Kmarion wrote:
If there was any credible merit to these theories there would be a full scale investigation into these matter's. Wait, there was the "9/11" commision. http://www.9-11commission.gov/
In truth I applaud everyone who takes interest into this. I think exploring our differences helps us grow stronger and more knowledgable together. No matter who is right.
Wait, there was the Stanley Hilton trial and it got thrown out on sovereign immunity which I believe highlights a need for an amendment to prevent this tenous law from being used to avoid a manslaughter/murder trial. Surely then George Bush could have someone whacked and if the case ever went to court just shout "I did it for the good of America, SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY".
To be honest it doesn't really matter what hit the Pentagon, but the anti-non-official-conspiracy-theory-theories all focus on trying to prove that a plane of a similar size to a 757 hit the Pentagon and ignore the more pressing questions around that particular incident. I don't really think that's important, but I'd still like more evidence to have been released to stop all these stupid debates. Anyway, my questions would be more on the line of:
-Why weren't the hijackers identified in the official autopsy list?
-Why hasn't the flight data or black box recordings been released from this flight?
-How did the missile defenses at the Pentagon fail to detect and fire on the incoming threat?
-If the hijackers weren't on the passenger list, how were they identified, and what were the aliases they were flying under?
As a side note the USAToday animation doesn't show the correct impact path for the pentagon plane.
There were so many glaring oversights in the "9/11" commission report considering the scale of the events on the day. There should have been a serious amount of investigation into WTC7 which is the most serious engineering failure on this planet ever, if it was fire and minor damage that brought it down. And the replacement has a weaker core (the original being solid steel, replacement being steel-cored concrete) than the first and is taller, so what's going on there? How did fire overcome the heatsink effect of a solid steel framed building, which would disperse the energy of the fire throughout the structure?
If there was any credible merit to these theories there would be a full scale investigation into these matter's. Wait, there was the "9/11" commision. http://www.9-11commission.gov/
http://www.thenewamerican.com/artman/pu … 1253.shtml
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77.htm
http://urbanlegends.about.com/gi/dynami … 2002/03/14
http://news.uns.purdue.edu/UNS/html4eve … tagon.html
http://www.usatoday.com/graphics/news/g … /frame.htm <--animated
http://www.alternet.org/story/12536/
http://www.thenewamerican.com/artman/pu … 1253.shtml
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blflight77.htm
http://urbanlegends.about.com/gi/dynami … 2002/03/14
http://news.uns.purdue.edu/UNS/html4eve … tagon.html
http://www.usatoday.com/graphics/news/g … /frame.htm <--animated
http://www.alternet.org/story/12536/
Xbone Stormsurgezz
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The 9/11 commission report was also heavily edited prior to its release...something that a lot of people tend to skip over. The Bush Administration seized control of the report before it went public and checked it "line by line to find out if there's anything in there which could harm American interests in the area of intelligence."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington … port_x.htm
http://www.projectcensored.org/newsflas … s_911.html
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington … port_x.htm
http://www.projectcensored.org/newsflas … s_911.html
Ah i have my beliefs but i wont post anything cause its a skecthy topic
Then why even bother posting that?
We didn't learn that we had broken Japan and Germany's Codes and were Deciphering them Faster than the Axis commanders were until years after the War was over. When German soldiers went into a Guerilla War mode "werewolves " Allied News sources never reported on any successes they had because they knew it would only encourage them.
There is still a War on and it seems we have forgotten how to really fight one.
Sensitive information will be held close "with my blessing " if airing it will further Aid the enemy's cause.
Do we know in detail everything that happened? I seriously doubt it.
Will we soon? No.
Can you still vote if you don't like the Current situation? yes.
I don't have any idea how this evades anyone.
There is still a War on and it seems we have forgotten how to really fight one.
Sensitive information will be held close "with my blessing " if airing it will further Aid the enemy's cause.
Do we know in detail everything that happened? I seriously doubt it.
Will we soon? No.
Can you still vote if you don't like the Current situation? yes.
I don't have any idea how this evades anyone.
The problem, Horseman, is that the credibility of the Bush administration is tremendously low, whereas the Roosevelt and Truman presidencies were far more popular and credible. Bush can claim that anything is "sensitive to intelligence" and cover it up "for security purposes" even if it's all only self-incriminating evidence.
I agree that we won't know soon. It's just that with the past history and current procedures of this administration, anything they try to cover up (especially outwardly and publicly as opposed to the internal covering during WWII; as you said, we found out years later, whereas this administration is just telling us outright that they are censoring things they feel are "detrimental to their intelligence") is subject to extreme doubt and distrust.
I agree that we won't know soon. It's just that with the past history and current procedures of this administration, anything they try to cover up (especially outwardly and publicly as opposed to the internal covering during WWII; as you said, we found out years later, whereas this administration is just telling us outright that they are censoring things they feel are "detrimental to their intelligence") is subject to extreme doubt and distrust.
know why classified information is classified for 50yrs? cuz most involved are dead after that 50yrs. No one can be held responsible
wrongdankassasin42o wrote:
know why classified information is classified for 50yrs? cuz most involved are dead after that 50yrs. No one can be held responsible
Honestly did not feel like reading through every post in this string so if this has been stated already just shoot me.
Popular Mechanics did an amazing article on the many different theories regarding the events of 9/11 and also spent considerable time and money investigating all of the claims made in this video and many others. Here is a link to the article: http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html if your really interested in the truth then you will read this article before you believe any of the theories in the video originally posted in this thread.
Brett
Popular Mechanics did an amazing article on the many different theories regarding the events of 9/11 and also spent considerable time and money investigating all of the claims made in this video and many others. Here is a link to the article: http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html if your really interested in the truth then you will read this article before you believe any of the theories in the video originally posted in this thread.
Brett
Yes, Brett, that's already been covered. Scroll up a bit and read UnOriginalNuttah's Post #402.