Common misconception that WW2 was what triggered Israel ...
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It may have helped, but it was when the Jews appealed to the UN for their own country, or somewhere they could feel safe practicing their religion en masse.Varegg wrote:
Common misconception that WW2 was what triggered Israel ...
A TWO state solution imposed on, not agreed upon by, one of the two main parties affected by such a decision. The UN did not create Israel, I didn't see any UN peacekeeping troops marking out borders and calming civil disobedience. Israel unilaterally declared independence in May 1948, it wasn't announced by the UN with a handshake between the leaders of the 'two new states'. Zionist guns carved out Israel, grabbing 'every hilltop' and ethnically cleansing the area so that a stable Jewish majority existed on their claimed territory. Their war of independence couldn't have been more dissimilar than Irelands. For a start Irish people didn't migrate en masse from Eastern Europe to Ireland and declare a state from themselves there to the detriment of the indigenous populations. Second, the British invaded Ireland in two waves and did what Israel did and are doing: creating plantations across the country with settlers from Britain, suspending the property (and many civil) rights of the indigenous people and driving them to the poorest parts of the island. Third, Ireland spent many centuries fighting the just cause of self determination in their own country, politically, militarily and through civil disobedience, until such time as independence was secured. The weak versus an immeasurably strong wave of unwelcome expansionist immigrants. I do concede that one dissimilarity in this is the fact that Israel did not already have a nation, as Britain did. You hit the nail on the head: independence started the wars, as it should have in the name of justice.lowing wrote:
Gee I coulda swore the UN created the 2 state solution, giving land to the Jews. The Jews decided they wanted Independence, ya know, kinda like Ireland, but different I guess. It was this independence that started the wars.
At the end of the day our views will never be reconciled on this and the discussion has deviated wildly from the OP (my fault as much as yours). There are plenty of other threads out there where this has been discussed ad infinitum.
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the zionist cause isn't quite as simple and innocent as 'requesting a place to practice their religion en masse'pace51 wrote:
It may have helped, but it was when the Jews appealed to the UN for their own country, or somewhere they could feel safe practicing their religion en masse.Varegg wrote:
Common misconception that WW2 was what triggered Israel ...
it's a religious and ideological master-plan. completely xenophobic and hostile to any other idea. jews had diaspora communities and an international network of synagogues a long time before israel.
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wonder how may times we can say zionist in one thread.....
and why do we have multiple threads about the same thing?
and why do we have multiple threads about the same thing?
a common misconception is that there is actually a palestineVaregg wrote:
Common misconception that WW2 was what triggered Israel ...
Thats what they want you to think.11 Bravo wrote:
a common misconception is that there is actually a palestineVaregg wrote:
Common misconception that WW2 was what triggered Israel ...
Palestine has existed since the time of Rameses II.
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it's in the Bible®, innit.Dilbert_X wrote:
Thats what they want you to think.
Palestine has existed since the time of Rameses II.
well damn then i guess rome should get back europe.......and most the MEDilbert_X wrote:
Thats what they want you to think.11 Bravo wrote:
a common misconception is that there is actually a palestineVaregg wrote:
Common misconception that WW2 was what triggered Israel ...
Palestine has existed since the time of Rameses II.
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Do what you like, you don't have the right to boot out the Eurogoons who have been living there since you left though.11 Bravo wrote:
well damn then i guess rome should get back europe.......and most the MEDilbert_X wrote:
Thats what they want you to think.11 Bravo wrote:
a common misconception is that there is actually a palestine
Palestine has existed since the time of Rameses II.
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ok.....so the aborigines should get back aussie land then yes?Dilbert_X wrote:
Do what you like, you don't have the right to boot out the Eurogoons who have been living there since you left though.11 Bravo wrote:
well damn then i guess rome should get back europe.......and most the MEDilbert_X wrote:
Thats what they want you to think.
Palestine has existed since the time of Rameses II.
and the indians, yes?11 Bravo wrote:
ok.....so the aborigines should get back aussie land then yes?
sure. fuck this could be tough. what year should we go back to?burnzz wrote:
and the indians, yes?11 Bravo wrote:
ok.....so the aborigines should get back aussie land then yes?
1947.
i just pulled that out of my @$$, seemed like a good year [for nuclear bomb testing anyways]
i just pulled that out of my @$$, seemed like a good year [for nuclear bomb testing anyways]
nah...1939 so we could kill all the jews....erm zionists.burnzz wrote:
1947.
i just pulled that out of my @$$, seemed like a good year [for nuclear bomb testing anyways]
They have plenty of it actually, and the mineral wealth which goes with it.11 Bravo wrote:
ok.....so the aborigines should get back aussie land then yes?Dilbert_X wrote:
Do what you like, you don't have the right to boot out the Eurogoons who have been living there since you left though.11 Bravo wrote:
well damn then i guess rome should get back europe.......and most the ME
Its not as if we're dropping WP on them or blockading their food.
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no sir...all of it. so you are saying the aussies have settlements?Dilbert_X wrote:
They have plenty of it actually, and the mineral wealth which goes with it.11 Bravo wrote:
ok.....so the aborigines should get back aussie land then yes?Dilbert_X wrote:
Do what you like, you don't have the right to boot out the Eurogoons who have been living there since you left though.
Yeah pretty much, with >50% of the population in the major cities.11 Bravo wrote:
no sir...all of it. so you are saying the aussies have settlements?Dilbert_X wrote:
They have plenty of it actually, and the mineral wealth which goes with it.11 Bravo wrote:
ok.....so the aborigines should get back aussie land then yes?
Anyway, haven't heard the aboriginals asking for us to leave, the bits of land they've wanted they've been given.
The 'Israelis' want to go back to Pre-Roman times, so you figure out a date.sure. fuck this could be tough. what year should we go back to?
Personally I think being a druid looks a lot of fun, I'd be OK with it.
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so what if they havent asked? give it back. remove the settlements.
It's more than that, it's land granted to Aboriginal peoples.
Aboriginal Land Act of 1991
http://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LEGIS … andA91.pdf
Aboriginal Land Act of 1991
http://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LEGIS … andA91.pdf
They're pretty comfortable taking our tax dollars, mineral royalties, watching TV and drinking beer.11 Bravo wrote:
so what if they havent asked? give it back. remove the settlements.
I doubt they'd want us to go.
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Apparently the Eurogoons thought they had the right to boot out the Jews (essentially creating the desire for a Jewish homeland and the Zionist movement) from where they had been living. One good turn deserves another, right?Dilbert_X wrote:
Do what you like, you don't have the right to boot out the Eurogoons who have been living there since you left though.11 Bravo wrote:
well damn then i guess rome should get back europe.......and most the MEDilbert_X wrote:
Thats what they want you to think.
Palestine has existed since the time of Rameses II.
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As pointed out already, they were agitating for Palestine to be given to them since well before WW2. The concept of Zionism predated Hitler's birth.FEOS wrote:
Apparently the Eurogoons thought they had the right to boot out the Jews (essentially creating the desire for a Jewish homeland and the Zionist movement) from where they had been living. One good turn deserves another, right?
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Did we Eurogoons boot out the Jews? ... that was new to me ...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemiti … le_Ages%29Varegg wrote:
Did we Eurogoons boot out the Jews? ... that was new to me ...
Major powers really hated the jews.
