srsly... let's wait for details? not even been a full 24 hours yet.Spark wrote:
intuition tells me there's more to this then it seems. certainly more than "omg israel!"
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The Israeli's shouldn't have been there in the first place. It's like saying if a ship travelling near Somalia decided to fight off the pirates and then criticising them for doing so when the pirates go and kill a load of the crew. Yes, it's an idiotic move on behalf of the crew and they've got themselves killed. But to turn around and say that the crew are simply provoking the pirates and trying to make them look bad, sounds rather ludicrous.M.O.A.B wrote:
Why do I get the feeling that some of the crew might've opened fire just to incite this kind of reaction?
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Just to get shot at and maybe killed you mean? I'd love to see how you would explain that.M.O.A.B wrote:
Why do I get the feeling that some of the crew might've opened fire just to incite this kind of reaction?
Think about it. If Israel kills people, what happens on the international stage? Particularly in Arabic countries.oug wrote:
Just to get shot at and maybe killed you mean? I'd love to see how you would explain that.M.O.A.B wrote:
Why do I get the feeling that some of the crew might've opened fire just to incite this kind of reaction?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle … 195838.stmIt happened about 40 miles (64 km) out to sea, in international waters.
And what about Gaza's EEZ?ghettoperson wrote:
They should have waited until they were inside Israeli waters. Although technically by law you can intercept any ship that's within your EEZ, which extends 200NM offshore. Obviously in waters as small as the Mediterranean that's limited to where it meets other countries, but given the route they took they'd still be within Israel's EEZ when they were boarded.
Not to defend Israel on this, but the whole thing sounds fucked.
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I was under the impression that it was a little more complex than that. I know, for instance that they can't vote in the UN, so they're not exactly equal to everyone else.Dilbert_X wrote:
Palestine was recognised by the UN at the same time as Israel.
What exactly does happen? Correct me if I'm wrong but in all these years I don't think Israel's plans for the region and the conflict have ever been compromised in any way. Israel always did what it wanted despite what might be voiced by other nations. In fact, lol, forget its enemies! Not even the US - it's closest ally - has ever been able to impose its will in the rare occasions when the two disagreed on anything.M.O.A.B wrote:
Think about it. If Israel kills people, what happens on the international stage? Particularly in Arabic countries.oug wrote:
Just to get shot at and maybe killed you mean? I'd love to see how you would explain that.M.O.A.B wrote:
Why do I get the feeling that some of the crew might've opened fire just to incite this kind of reaction?
A professional photographer for the AP once doctored photographs to make it look like Israeli jets and bombings were far worse than they were, in order to stir up comdemnation.
Anything and everything linked with Israel is always termed as them being the aggressor, even in the instances when they are attacked first, and rightfully utilise self-defence. Then these events are used to incite violence by the usual Jews r evil crowd. It may have shit on its sheets, but its not the only party doing bad things out there - something you might not know from a lot of media reports.oug wrote:
What exactly does happen? Correct me if I'm wrong but in all these years I don't think Israel's plans for the region and the conflict have ever been compromised in any way. Israel always did what it wanted despite what might be voiced by other nations. In fact, lol, forget its enemies! Not even the US - it's closest ally - has ever been able to impose its will in the rare occasions when the two disagreed on anything.M.O.A.B wrote:
Think about it. If Israel kills people, what happens on the international stage? Particularly in Arabic countries.oug wrote:
Just to get shot at and maybe killed you mean? I'd love to see how you would explain that.
A professional photographer for the AP once doctored photographs to make it look like Israeli jets and bombings were far worse than they were, in order to stir up comdemnation.
And as for the AP guy, please. Don't even get me started on how the israeli side controls practically the entire flow of information from the western media.
Depends on what they suspected was on board those ships. They interdict shipping all the time that has stuff other than "food and cement" that's bound for Gaza. That kind of stuff just doesn't get reported because it's not nearly as incendiary.Mekstizzle wrote:
Israel broke international law by boarding the ship in the first place. Whatever happened afterwards, happened. But they shouldn't have boarded the ship in the first place
I can understand a fight breaking out, fights also break out and people killed when Somalian pirates board ships too. Actually even the Somalians try not to kill the crew of the ships they board
It's hard to believe (or know for sure) whether they had weapons on board or not. Certainly though, the Israeli's shouldn't have boarded with commandos in the first place.
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the idf one?FEOS wrote:
Bottomline: Wait for the investigation.
