Your wife, were you not "lucky" she said yes? Did you meet her by "chance", or did you pick her out of a catalogue? You have kids? Were they made in a lab or were you lucky there too. Your parents? Were they good to you, teach you. Help you grow? Did you "choose" them. Your education, you chose all of it? The only choices that have ever mattered in your life yours? Never was a prospective employer faced with two candidates of equal stature? You honostly can't say you are lucky in no way shape or form? If not you are the first person I have ever came across that could say it. I have dealt with plenty of succesful people. Every one of them will tell you they were lucky.lowing wrote:
Hmmmmm re-read your post and you mentioned nothing aobut making 100 grand a year other than "luck". I suppose if nothing else "luck" is the most significant thing then? I mean since you do not seem fit to mention anything that in my mind really counts.nlsme1 wrote:
Putting words in mouths again. I never said luck was the only factor in success. Every successful person I have ever spoken to, has said luck played SOME role. Wether it was they were lucky to have parents that taught them a strong work ethic, guidance couselors that actually talked to them. The schools they were ABLE to attend.lowing wrote:
Umm poor people get food stamps, they do not pay taxes.
Here we go again, anyone that has made something of themselves is just "lucky", effort determination, ambition drive attitude have got nothing to do with it, it is all luck..I love how the entilted speak of fictional shit like "luck", "fortune", "destiny", while people that get off there ass and do something speak of effort, determination, ambition, drive motivation, attitude. Hmmm might be something to that.
Then get out and increase your EARNINGS. Or why do you think they call them EARNINGS and not GIVINGS
People are a product of their environment. What else plays a role in what environment you were raised in other then luck? What else is here to explain one person getting ____________ over anther, when they were both equally motivated, educated, diven, ambitous?
See I know I got lucky. My situation involves more luck then some. I can see it.
To bad you can't sit back and say that you have truly gotten lucky in life. Too bad you don't love your wife enough to reaize how lucky you are. Too bad you haven't realized how lucky you are to not have had a child get sick. So sick you had to spend ALL your time with them and not be ABLE to work. Too bad indeed.
Really? you really have to ask what plays a roll in someones environment other than "LUCK"? Really?
I believe people make their own luck, I didn't get lucky with my wife, it is not like I had no choice and she was thrust upon me, and I just got lucky to get a good one. I CHOSE WHO I was to marry. I CHOSE not settle for welfare. I CHOSE to make decisions that were going to improve my quality of life. Luck had nothing to do with it. I CHOSE to get out of destructive environments and relationaships.
You plan to send your kids to only private universities? All public universities/colleges get subsidized tuition for resident students. Just look at the arm/leg tuitions that out of State public university students have to pay. I send my kids to a Catholic school. I pay a good amount of tuition, but hell, the school even gets some funding from the government...lowing wrote:
I don't want my govt. paying for health care, or education past HS.Dilbert_X wrote:
Thing is, having to pay for healthcare and education you're less free, you're on much more of a treadmill - but you're brainwashed into believing its 'freedom'.lowing wrote:
sorry, govt. dependency makes me cringe. I would rather just be given the freedom for me to choose my life's path. Thanks anyway.
I already answered that but here goes ... again ...lowing wrote:
Where do you turn when you have no house?Varegg wrote:
Ehr ...lowing wrote:
Well lets see, you rely on govt. to keep you healthy, keep you fed, keep you vacationed, keep you housed, keep you educated etc....I don't, I rely on my govt. to keep me free so I may do these things for myself without saddling someone lese with the bill. Oh but wait, yours is free right?
Government does not house me ... I'll have to buy that myself ...
Government does not feed me ... I buy my own food ...
Government does not pay for my vacation ...
Government does not keep my healthy, but if I get sick it doesn't cost me anything ...
Government does not keep me educated, but I get the first 13 years of education for free ...
What other points do you have to show how I'm not choosing my own life?
where do you turn when you have no food?
who forces companies to provide you with vacation?
no it doesn't cost you anything, it cost someone else
where do you turn when you can't afford university?
Govt.
Govt.
Govt.
Govt.
Govt.
Govt.
Where do you turn when you have no house? *If I cant afford to buy a house the government will not supply me with one, now where did you get that silly idea?
where do you turn when you have no food? *Same as you would ...
who forces companies to provide you with vacation? *That's a mutual agreement between companies and workers, the government did little more than provide a legal system that opens for that kind of agreement ... the companies in Norway see the benefit of having their workers on vacation now and then so they return full of energy to do a good job. As of now I can make use of 5 weeks each year to vacate.
no it doesn't cost you anything, it cost someone else *We all chip in when we don't need it so we don't have to worry about a thing when we do need it, so through my taxes I pay in advance ... hopefully I will never need to go to a hospital but if I do it will not cost me anything then and there because I have already paid my share ...
where do you turn when you can't afford university? *There is always work and most of them doesn't need a degree from a university ...
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no i dont see where you are goingnlsme1 wrote:
And I also pay for yours. One is not available to me. See where I am going. Not really complaining you have one. Just pointing it out.11 Bravo wrote:
i pay for mine though.nlsme1 wrote:
There is no public hospital available to me. You fucking leach.
You are benefitting from my tax dollars more then I am. It is sarcasm in my attitude. Just pointing out that the OP is small comapred to what other money from me gets wasted. Like on private military contracts.11 Bravo wrote:
no i dont see where you are goingnlsme1 wrote:
And I also pay for yours. One is not available to me. See where I am going. Not really complaining you have one. Just pointing it out.11 Bravo wrote:
i pay for mine though.
My kids will have their college paid for through the lottery. If they decide to go there instead of trade school. Idiots that spend money for lottery tickets fund a slush fund that provide college tuition for students that maintained a 3.0 ( I believe) in HS.Ilocano wrote:
You plan to send your kids to only private universities? All public universities/colleges get subsidized tuition for resident students. Just look at the arm/leg tuitions that out of State public university students have to pay. I send my kids to a Catholic school. I pay a good amount of tuition, but hell, the school even gets some funding from the government...lowing wrote:
I don't want my govt. paying for health care, or education past HS.Dilbert_X wrote:
Thing is, having to pay for healthcare and education you're less free, you're on much more of a treadmill - but you're brainwashed into believing its 'freedom'.
Gimme a break, you are speaking of the total chaos that is one of 10,000 variables that collide in life. It is called LIFE, not lucknlsme1 wrote:
Your wife, were you not "lucky" she said yes? Did you meet her by "chance", or did you pick her out of a catalogue? You have kids? Were they made in a lab or were you lucky there too. Your parents? Were they good to you, teach you. Help you grow? Did you "choose" them. Your education, you chose all of it? The only choices that have ever mattered in your life yours? Never was a prospective employer faced with two candidates of equal stature? You honostly can't say you are lucky in no way shape or form? If not you are the first person I have ever came across that could say it. I have dealt with plenty of succesful people. Every one of them will tell you they were lucky.lowing wrote:
Hmmmmm re-read your post and you mentioned nothing aobut making 100 grand a year other than "luck". I suppose if nothing else "luck" is the most significant thing then? I mean since you do not seem fit to mention anything that in my mind really counts.nlsme1 wrote:
Putting words in mouths again. I never said luck was the only factor in success. Every successful person I have ever spoken to, has said luck played SOME role. Wether it was they were lucky to have parents that taught them a strong work ethic, guidance couselors that actually talked to them. The schools they were ABLE to attend.
People are a product of their environment. What else plays a role in what environment you were raised in other then luck? What else is here to explain one person getting ____________ over anther, when they were both equally motivated, educated, diven, ambitous?
See I know I got lucky. My situation involves more luck then some. I can see it.
To bad you can't sit back and say that you have truly gotten lucky in life. Too bad you don't love your wife enough to reaize how lucky you are. Too bad you haven't realized how lucky you are to not have had a child get sick. So sick you had to spend ALL your time with them and not be ABLE to work. Too bad indeed.
Really? you really have to ask what plays a roll in someones environment other than "LUCK"? Really?
I believe people make their own luck, I didn't get lucky with my wife, it is not like I had no choice and she was thrust upon me, and I just got lucky to get a good one. I CHOSE WHO I was to marry. I CHOSE not settle for welfare. I CHOSE to make decisions that were going to improve my quality of life. Luck had nothing to do with it. I CHOSE to get out of destructive environments and relationaships.
Where is this?lowing wrote:
My kids will have their college paid for through the lottery. If they decide to go there instead of trade school. Idiots that spend money for lottery tickets fund a slush fund that provide college tuition for students that maintained a 3.0 ( I believe) in HS.Ilocano wrote:
You plan to send your kids to only private universities? All public universities/colleges get subsidized tuition for resident students. Just look at the arm/leg tuitions that out of State public university students have to pay. I send my kids to a Catholic school. I pay a good amount of tuition, but hell, the school even gets some funding from the government...lowing wrote:
I don't want my govt. paying for health care, or education past HS.
But my point is that students who are a resident of a State university pay less in tuition than out of State students. That "discount" is being paid by the government from your taxes.
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Exactly.10000 variables. All of wich you can NOT choose. Things that CAN affect your life. It is in fact luck. Luck that those variable aligned the way they did.lowing wrote:
Gimme a break, you are speaking of the total chaos that is one of 10,000 variables that collide in life. It is called LIFE, not lucknlsme1 wrote:
Your wife, were you not "lucky" she said yes? Did you meet her by "chance", or did you pick her out of a catalogue? You have kids? Were they made in a lab or were you lucky there too. Your parents? Were they good to you, teach you. Help you grow? Did you "choose" them. Your education, you chose all of it? The only choices that have ever mattered in your life yours? Never was a prospective employer faced with two candidates of equal stature? You honostly can't say you are lucky in no way shape or form? If not you are the first person I have ever came across that could say it. I have dealt with plenty of succesful people. Every one of them will tell you they were lucky.lowing wrote:
Hmmmmm re-read your post and you mentioned nothing aobut making 100 grand a year other than "luck". I suppose if nothing else "luck" is the most significant thing then? I mean since you do not seem fit to mention anything that in my mind really counts.
Really? you really have to ask what plays a roll in someones environment other than "LUCK"? Really?
I believe people make their own luck, I didn't get lucky with my wife, it is not like I had no choice and she was thrust upon me, and I just got lucky to get a good one. I CHOSE WHO I was to marry. I CHOSE not settle for welfare. I CHOSE to make decisions that were going to improve my quality of life. Luck had nothing to do with it. I CHOSE to get out of destructive environments and relationaships.
Noooooooooooo it is called life. What you expect is that life should be equal and fair, and when it isn't you need something to blame other than the one who is responsible. He isn't a worthless lazy piece of shit, he is just "unlucky", clearly not his fault. Sorry, real world dictates otherwise.nlsme1 wrote:
Exactly.10000 variables. All of wich you can NOT choose. Things that CAN affect your life. It is in fact luck. Luck that those variable aligned the way they did.lowing wrote:
Gimme a break, you are speaking of the total chaos that is one of 10,000 variables that collide in life. It is called LIFE, not lucknlsme1 wrote:
Your wife, were you not "lucky" she said yes? Did you meet her by "chance", or did you pick her out of a catalogue? You have kids? Were they made in a lab or were you lucky there too. Your parents? Were they good to you, teach you. Help you grow? Did you "choose" them. Your education, you chose all of it? The only choices that have ever mattered in your life yours? Never was a prospective employer faced with two candidates of equal stature? You honostly can't say you are lucky in no way shape or form? If not you are the first person I have ever came across that could say it. I have dealt with plenty of succesful people. Every one of them will tell you they were lucky.
Georgia. It is called the Hope ScholarshipIlocano wrote:
Where is this?lowing wrote:
My kids will have their college paid for through the lottery. If they decide to go there instead of trade school. Idiots that spend money for lottery tickets fund a slush fund that provide college tuition for students that maintained a 3.0 ( I believe) in HS.Ilocano wrote:
You plan to send your kids to only private universities? All public universities/colleges get subsidized tuition for resident students. Just look at the arm/leg tuitions that out of State public university students have to pay. I send my kids to a Catholic school. I pay a good amount of tuition, but hell, the school even gets some funding from the government...
But my point is that students who are a resident of a State university pay less in tuition than out of State students. That "discount" is being paid by the government from your taxes.
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I am not saying it is all or nothing. That would be you. I am saying that not everyone that has the traits you feel are the ONLY path to success, succeeds. That is LUCK, life is breathing, eating, sleeping, procreating.lowing wrote:
Noooooooooooo it is called life. What you expect is that life should be equal and fair, and when it isn't you need something to blame other than the one who is responsible. He isn't a worthless lazy piece of shit, he is just "unlucky", clearly not his fault. Sorry, real world dictates otherwise.nlsme1 wrote:
Exactly.10000 variables. All of wich you can NOT choose. Things that CAN affect your life. It is in fact luck. Luck that those variable aligned the way they did.lowing wrote:
Gimme a break, you are speaking of the total chaos that is one of 10,000 variables that collide in life. It is called LIFE, not luck
You are saying that only the decisions and actions one makes determines their success. "life" plays a big role in it too. If life "helped" you, then you had good luck. If "life" hurt you, then you have bad luck. Can you still be succesful with bad luck, sure. Can you still fail with good luck, sure.
The things I have described as luck are the things that ARE out of the persons control. How would it be someones fault to be born into a shitty family. To attend shitty schools? How can one hold the blame for the actions they have no control over. Sure, plenty of people fail because they were lazy. Not arguing against that.
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People with the attributes I have listed do net settle for less than their goals, and certainly will not settle for welfare. So yes they are in complete control. This does not mean they do not have peaks and valleys in life, they do, this has nothing to do with luck. It is life. The difference is, is in how they deal with what they are handed in that life and luck is not part of that equation.nlsme1 wrote:
I am not saying it is all or nothing. That would be you. I am saying that not everyone that has the traits you feel are the ONLY path to success, succeeds. That is LUCK, life is breathing, eating, sleeping, procreating.lowing wrote:
Noooooooooooo it is called life. What you expect is that life should be equal and fair, and when it isn't you need something to blame other than the one who is responsible. He isn't a worthless lazy piece of shit, he is just "unlucky", clearly not his fault. Sorry, real world dictates otherwise.nlsme1 wrote:
Exactly.10000 variables. All of wich you can NOT choose. Things that CAN affect your life. It is in fact luck. Luck that those variable aligned the way they did.
You are saying that only the decisions and actions one makes determines their success. "life" plays a big role in it too. If life "helped" you, then you had good luck. If "life" hurt you, then you have bad luck. Can you still be succesful with bad luck, sure. Can you still fail with good luck, sure.
The things I have described as luck are the things that ARE out of the persons control. How would it be someones fault to be born into a shitty family. To attend shitty schools? How can one hold the blame for the actions they have no control over. Sure, plenty of people fail because they were lazy. Not arguing against that.
Luck is the equation in what you are "handed" in life. Surely one would have an easier time in suceeding, if they are "handed" an easy route.I am a succesful person. I have worked hard to get were I am. I have also been lucky in the path that was laid before me. You have yet to answer if you were "lucky" your wife said yes. Or if you were lucky your children are healthy. How would you deal with a child that required constant medical care. Would you handle the situation by continuing your career, or would you be a father? You don't really need to answer that hypothetical. Just realize it has never been more then hypothetical, and that you are lucky.lowing wrote:
People with the attributes I have listed do net settle for less than their goals, and certainly will not settle for welfare. So yes they are in complete control. This does not mean they do not have peaks and valleys in life, they do, this has nothing to do with luck. It is life. The difference is, is in how they deal with what they are handed in that life and luck is not part of that equation.nlsme1 wrote:
I am not saying it is all or nothing. That would be you. I am saying that not everyone that has the traits you feel are the ONLY path to success, succeeds. That is LUCK, life is breathing, eating, sleeping, procreating.lowing wrote:
Noooooooooooo it is called life. What you expect is that life should be equal and fair, and when it isn't you need something to blame other than the one who is responsible. He isn't a worthless lazy piece of shit, he is just "unlucky", clearly not his fault. Sorry, real world dictates otherwise.
You are saying that only the decisions and actions one makes determines their success. "life" plays a big role in it too. If life "helped" you, then you had good luck. If "life" hurt you, then you have bad luck. Can you still be succesful with bad luck, sure. Can you still fail with good luck, sure.
The things I have described as luck are the things that ARE out of the persons control. How would it be someones fault to be born into a shitty family. To attend shitty schools? How can one hold the blame for the actions they have no control over. Sure, plenty of people fail because they were lazy. Not arguing against that.
Regarding whether I was lucky with my wife................I am thinking about it don't rush menlsme1 wrote:
Luck is the equation in what you are "handed" in life. Surely one would have an easier time in suceeding, if they are "handed" an easy route.I am a succesful person. I have worked hard to get were I am. I have also been lucky in the path that was laid before me. You have yet to answer if you were "lucky" your wife said yes. Or if you were lucky your children are healthy. How would you deal with a child that required constant medical care. Would you handle the situation by continuing your career, or would you be a father? You don't really need to answer that hypothetical. Just realize it has never been more then hypothetical, and that you are lucky.lowing wrote:
People with the attributes I have listed do net settle for less than their goals, and certainly will not settle for welfare. So yes they are in complete control. This does not mean they do not have peaks and valleys in life, they do, this has nothing to do with luck. It is life. The difference is, is in how they deal with what they are handed in that life and luck is not part of that equation.nlsme1 wrote:
I am not saying it is all or nothing. That would be you. I am saying that not everyone that has the traits you feel are the ONLY path to success, succeeds. That is LUCK, life is breathing, eating, sleeping, procreating.
You are saying that only the decisions and actions one makes determines their success. "life" plays a big role in it too. If life "helped" you, then you had good luck. If "life" hurt you, then you have bad luck. Can you still be succesful with bad luck, sure. Can you still fail with good luck, sure.
The things I have described as luck are the things that ARE out of the persons control. How would it be someones fault to be born into a shitty family. To attend shitty schools? How can one hold the blame for the actions they have no control over. Sure, plenty of people fail because they were lazy. Not arguing against that.