Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5643|London, England
President Obama told Senate Republicans Tuesday that he's read the controversial Arizona immigration law and is concerned it would allow for discrimination -- but is planning to deploy up to 1,200 National Guard troops to the U.S.-Mexico border to allay security concerns.

An administration official confirmed to Fox News that Obama plans to request $500 million for "enhanced border protection and law enforcement" and deploy the National Guard troops as needed.

The official said the National Guard would be used to "provide intelligence; surveillance and reconnaissance support; intelligence analysis; immediate support to counternarcotics enforcement; and training capacity until Customs and Border Patrol can recruit and train additional officers and agents to serve on the border."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05 … co-border/

Of course, this comes out to be .6 soldiers per mile of border so it's nothing more than a political gesture without real impact

Last edited by JohnG@lt (2010-05-25 12:11:45)

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mikkel
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Of course, this comes out to be .6 soldiers per mile of border so it's nothing more than a political gesture without real impact
I don't see how you need more than .6 soldiers per mile to accomplish the tasks outlined in your post.
Jay
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+2,006|5643|London, England

mikkel wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Of course, this comes out to be .6 soldiers per mile of border so it's nothing more than a political gesture without real impact
I don't see how you need more than .6 soldiers per mile to accomplish the tasks outlined in your post.
The border is a sieve.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
SEREMAKER
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probably to help our fellow un-documented workers across the border

https://www.clipartguide.com/_named_clipart_images/0060-0802-0413-5748_Scout_Helping_a_Woman_Cross_the_Street_clipart_image.jpg
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ATG
Banned
+5,233|6814|Global Command
So will ICE be processing these criminals or will there be military prisons built or is this more lip service in preparation for a massive amnesty.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6906|London, England
they go to guantanamo bay

now we all know why he didn't shut it down like he said it he would, eh

Last edited by Mekstizzle (2010-05-25 12:29:24)

Turquoise
O Canada
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So, in effect, Arizona actually forced the feds to do something about the border for once.  Nice... 

Last edited by Turquoise (2010-05-25 17:42:32)

FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6696|'Murka

Turquoise wrote:

So, in effect, Arizona actually forced the feds to do something about the border for once.  Nice... 
But stopping someone because they "look like they're coming across the border" will be considered a type of profiling, so they'll have to let them go.
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Jay
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+2,006|5643|London, England
On an another note, I just got my payout for being stop-lossed Got a check in the mail from the army for $2880.44
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Harmor
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FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

So, in effect, Arizona actually forced the feds to do something about the border for once.  Nice... 
But stopping someone because they "look like they're coming across the border" will be considered a type of profiling, so they'll have to let them go.
Why don't we check the immigration status of everyone?  That way there won't be any racial profiling (already illegal btw in the Arizona law).
eleven bravo
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FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

So, in effect, Arizona actually forced the feds to do something about the border for once.  Nice... 
But stopping someone because they "look like they're coming across the border" will be considered a type of profiling, so they'll have to let them go.
I hope you carry proof of citizenship with you at all times.
Tu Stultus Es
Harmor
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+605|6834|San Diego, CA, USA

eleven bravo wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

So, in effect, Arizona actually forced the feds to do something about the border for once.  Nice... 
But stopping someone because they "look like they're coming across the border" will be considered a type of profiling, so they'll have to let them go.
I hope you carry proof of citizenship with you at all times.
Speaking of proof of citizenship, today, we are checking the citizen status of criminals IN JAIL here in California.  These are people who were committed a crime and we in California hadn't checked their citizenship status yet.../boggle
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6696|'Murka

eleven bravo wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

So, in effect, Arizona actually forced the feds to do something about the border for once.  Nice... 
But stopping someone because they "look like they're coming across the border" will be considered a type of profiling, so they'll have to let them go.
I hope you carry proof of citizenship with you at all times.
I do. It's called a driver's license. And a DoD CAC.
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― Albert Einstein

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eleven bravo
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drivers license is NOT proof of citizenship.  I also knew a lot of immigrants with cac id's
Tu Stultus Es
FEOS
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+1,182|6696|'Murka

eleven bravo wrote:

drivers license is NOT proof of citizenship.  I also knew a lot of immigrants with cac id's
It's considered adequate proof of citizenship under current law. As is any federally-issued ID. And considering they run the ID to verify status anyway...
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
mtb0minime
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Could you even just tell the officer your SSN and they could look it up? Though you should have to fit the description and be able to verify date of birth and whatever else. I've worked with a few people from down south who would use other people's SSNs

Last edited by mtb0minime (2010-05-25 20:22:39)

11 Bravo
Banned
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eleven bravo wrote:

I hope you carry proof of citizenship with you at all times.
I know I do.  I don't see why you wouldn't.  And as FEOS said, a drivers license is proof as per the law.
11 Bravo
Banned
+965|5522|Cleveland, Ohio
Isn't this using the national guard for law enforcement?
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

So, in effect, Arizona actually forced the feds to do something about the border for once.  Nice... 
But stopping someone because they "look like they're coming across the border" will be considered a type of profiling, so they'll have to let them go.
No, 'coming across the border' at somewhere other than a recognised border crossing is known throughout the world to be a potential crime.

Walking down the street in brown skin OTOH...
Fuck Israel
eleven bravo
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FEOS wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

drivers license is NOT proof of citizenship.  I also knew a lot of immigrants with cac id's
It's considered adequate proof of citizenship under current law. As is any federally-issued ID. And considering they run the ID to verify status anyway...
The requirements for obtaining a driver's license varies by state. Some states are proposing legislation to prohibit the issuance of state issued identification to individuals who are unable to prove legal immigration status. Conversely, in other states it is possible for an illegal immigrant to obtain a driver's license, as no proof of legal immigration status is required. Interestingly, legislation almost passed in California that would have made it very easy for an illegal immigrant to obtain a driver's license. In September 2003, former Governor Gray Davis of California signed a bill that would have given illegal immigrants the chance to obtain a California driver's license. Many Californians applauded Governor Davis's actions, as many feel that in order to make all drivers safer, everyone should be able to get a driver's license. The supporters argued that there were many illegal immigrants driving without a license, and by giving illegal immigrants the opportunity to obtain a license and pass the required driving test, overall safety would improve. In addition to having a driver’s license, illegal immigrants would also be required to have car insurance, as required by state law in California. Because insurance companies only insure individuals with a driver’s license, if this legislation passed, more individuals would be able to obtain car insurance. Advocates also cite that this would, in turn, drive down the cost of car insurance, in addition to making the roads safer. Another added benefit would be that the black market for driver's licenses would be significantly reduced. Opponents to the former governor's legislation argued that by allowing undocumented immigrants to obtain a driver's license, they are being rewarded for entering the country illegally. In addition, critics also maintained that driver's licenses for illegal immigrants would only encourage more illegal immigrants to cross the U.S.-Mexico border. Opponents also cited matters of national security and stated that driver’s licenses could also be used for identification purposes which may lead to more terrorists entering the U.S. In response, some government officials have proposed that a “driving only” document be issued to individuals who are unable to prove legal immigration status. The "driving only" license would be easily differentiated from a normal driver's license and would not be an acceptable form of identification in many instances. Nonetheless, California has yet to pass any legislation regarding driver's licenses for undocumented immigrants. When Governor Schwarzenegger came into office he was quick to repeal the bill signed by former Governor Davis.
http://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/ill … cense.html


but thats beside the point.  I happen to know a 29 year old illegal immigrant who has been in this country since she was 2 who also happens to have a drivers license

drivers licenses cannot be used as proof of citizenship when thousand of licensed drivers have legitimate license and happen to be illegal.  Im not sure about the answer but i really doubt flashing a state would hold up in court as evidence of citizenship.
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mikkel
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eleven bravo wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

So, in effect, Arizona actually forced the feds to do something about the border for once.  Nice... 
But stopping someone because they "look like they're coming across the border" will be considered a type of profiling, so they'll have to let them go.
I hope you carry proof of citizenship with you at all times.

11 Bravo wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

I hope you carry proof of citizenship with you at all times.
I know I do.  I don't see why you wouldn't.  And as FEOS said, a drivers license is proof as per the law.
Man, to think there was a time when this country thought it oppressive for the Soviet Union to require passports for internal travel. Are you guys suggesting that it should be a requirement to carry identification just to be able to exist freely in this country? Papers please!

Last edited by mikkel (2010-05-26 10:14:35)

11 Bravo
Banned
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mikkel wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

FEOS wrote:

But stopping someone because they "look like they're coming across the border" will be considered a type of profiling, so they'll have to let them go.
I hope you carry proof of citizenship with you at all times.

11 Bravo wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

I hope you carry proof of citizenship with you at all times.
I know I do.  I don't see why you wouldn't.  And as FEOS said, a drivers license is proof as per the law.
Man, to think there was a time when this country thought it oppressive for the Soviet Union to require passports for internal travel. Are you guys suggesting that it should be a requirement to carry identification just to be able to exist freely in this country? Papers please!
What?  If you are under police investigation for something i.e. speeding, bar fight, whatever.....whats wrong with being able to prove who you are?

Last edited by 11 Bravo (2010-05-26 10:19:39)

mikkel
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11 Bravo wrote:

mikkel wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:


I hope you carry proof of citizenship with you at all times.

11 Bravo wrote:

I know I do.  I don't see why you wouldn't.  And as FEOS said, a drivers license is proof as per the law.
Man, to think there was a time when this country thought it oppressive for the Soviet Union to require passports for internal travel. Are you guys suggesting that it should be a requirement to carry identification just to be able to exist freely in this country? Papers please!
What?  If you are under police investigation for something i.e. speeding, bar fight, whatever.....whats wrong with being able to prove who you are?
Well, your replies stemmed from this comment by FEOS.

But stopping someone because they "look like they're coming across the border" will be considered a type of profiling, so they'll have to let them go.
If it's part of an investigation, I'm fine with having to prove citizenship or immigration status, considering the circumstances.

Last edited by mikkel (2010-05-26 10:31:09)

11 Bravo
Banned
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i dont think anyone here is advocating the papers hitler shit so stow it.
mikkel
Member
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11 Bravo wrote:

i dont think anyone here is advocating the papers hitler shit so stow it.
Don't get your panties in a twist over a simple question.

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