BF2S Forums So I was reading this article... (Environmentalism)

tbh, it's not really about waste management, it's about the overall mentality of "I can do whatever I feel like, the planet is a resource that should be consumed"

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Trotskygrad wrote:

tbh, it's not really about waste management, it's about the overall mentality of "I can do whatever I feel like, the planet is a resource that should be consumed"

I'm a member of Ducks Unlimited.  My organization has effected/conserved/rebuilt 50+ million acres of wetlands.  I'm no where near your described mentality.

cool bro, but I was talking about the article.

All being said, that mentality is lolfail. (Don't expect analysis from me know, I'm rushed)

DBBrinson1 wrote:

BLdw wrote:

And when those landfills are full we can always dump the rest of our plastic in one of our many......  ..........tomorrow -- but I live today.

We are no where close to running out of landfills.  Watch pt. 3 above.

No we are not, but in there too, living organs eat what we dump in there. There are micro-organs in our landfills, those micro-organs affect everything that lives near them (insects, rats, birds) and our waters. It's a food chain and the stuff we throw out will cycle back to our body later if we don't take care of it.

Moreover our landfills will cause some major headache for future generations, especially if we keep wasting like now, breeding like we do now, and live longer than yesterday. Though, longer life span shouldn't be a problem, "alarming" reports say that average age of next generation(s) in the first world countries may have shorter life span than previous generation. "Overweightism" may "fix" some of our problems after all...

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BLdw wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

BLdw wrote:

And when those landfills are full we can always dump the rest of our plastic in one of our many......  ..........tomorrow -- but I live today.

We are no where close to running out of landfills.  Watch pt. 3 above.

No we are not, but in there too, living organs eat what we dump in there. There are micro-organs in our landfills, those micro-organs affect everything that lives near them (insects, rats, birds) and our waters. It's a food chain and the stuff we throw out will cycle back to our body later if we don't take care of it.

Moreover our landfills will cause some major headache for future generations, especially if we keep wasting like now, breeding like we do now, and live longer than yesterday. Though, longer life span shouldn't be a problem, "alarming" reports say that average age of next generation(s) in the first world countries may have shorter life span than previous generation. "Overweightism" may "fix" some of our problems after all...

heavy metal leaching from landfills into catchments is a serious concern too

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Spark wrote:

BLdw wrote:

No we are not, but in there too, living organs eat what we dump in there. There are micro-organs in our landfills, those micro-organs affect everything that lives near them (insects, rats, birds) and our waters. It's a food chain and the stuff we throw out will cycle back to our body later if we don't take care of it.

Moreover our landfills will cause some major headache for future generations, especially if we keep wasting like now, breeding like we do now, and live longer than yesterday. Though, longer life span shouldn't be a problem, "alarming" reports say that average age of next generation(s) in the first world countries may have shorter life span than previous generation. "Overweightism" may "fix" some of our problems after all...

heavy metal leaching from landfills into catchments is a serious concern too

If a landfill is properly lined both concerns mentioned here are addressed.

obviously, but it's still an issue. i'm more thinking in places like china where regulations are, well, less than stringent. i think they have - or will have - a real heavy metal water contamination issue real soon.

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Spark wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

If a landfill is properly lined both concerns mentioned here are addressed.

obviously, but it's still an issue. i'm more thinking in places like china where regulations are, well, less than stringent. i think they have - or will have - a real heavy metal water contamination issue real soon.

True.  Yet one more reason I'm happy to be over here instead of over there.  I don't know of any Chinese recycling programs either.  Do they do that over there?

*edit.  That 'Bullshit!' episode I posted earlier in the thread is a very good episode and worth the view.

they do - but not in the same, regimented, governmental way (with colour-coded bins and stuff, they just don't care - they have them but enthusiasm for them is lacking). more a cultural thing (an aversion to waste)

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BLdw wrote:

I wasn't interested of addressing it because DBBrinson1 didn't bring it up. I was merely interested to point out what problems there could be occurring when plastic starts degrading. That is what DBBrinson1 brought up at first.

True and this is mandatory now too (I think in US too?), but how many landfills you think follows new regulations? You can start by pointing me to a landfill where there are no vermins (there are some modern landfills but those are rarity).

Naturally there will be no completely risk free waste management system until we invent completely environmental productions.

Of course I didn't bring it up.  I could care less about mutant chinese kids.  Modern landfills are the way to go.  A 30 square mile landfill could hold the trash of the USA for the next 1000 years.  My point is that recycling is a scam, farce, a colossal waste of time and even bigger waste of money.  It is a way for government to control your actions to the tune of more than 5 Billion a year that we are paying for.  It isn't any better for the environment either.  By the time you factor all the logistics of recycling an item -it simply isn't worth it (save aluminum and cell phones) and fucks up the environment just as much as tossing said item.

I will show you a landfill that is vermin free as soon as you show me a recycling plant that is too.  If recycling makes you feel better about yourself, cool -really, whatever makes you happy.  However, don't come over to my house with a blue trash can and force me to separate my trash.  There are all ready enough nazi interest groups out there -I don't want the trash nazis banging down my door.

DBBrinson1 wrote:

I will show you a landfill that is vermin free as soon as you show me a recycling plant that is too.  If recycling makes you feel better about yourself, cool -really, whatever makes you happy.  However, don't come over to my house with a blue trash can and force me to separate my trash.  There are all ready enough nazi interest groups out there -I don't want the trash nazis banging down my door.

I am not saying anyone to do anything, I'm not much of a environmentalist. I am just questioning why you think landfills are such a great way to go (continue). I am also interested why you think recycling is a scam and why you think plastic is not worth of recycling.

DBBrinson1 wrote:

A 30 square mile landfill could hold the trash of the USA for the next 1000 years.

Where would you like to have a landfill of that size? What about logistics problem with such a landfill, bring the New York waste to central US mega dumpster?

Every year we create more waste, every year we produce more people on this planet, every year there's less and less material to use for our products if we just throw our old products away. Is your plan to wait for 1000 years till some of our old products have degraded to the point that we can start processing them again?

Could you also point out why plastic recycling is so expensive? Logistics (you mentioned)? have two bins; one for plastic&metal and other bin for the rest of your garbage. The garbage truck takes two separate bins just the same as one. Actual recycling centre for plastic/metal? why would that cost more than any other production line? For melting and re-processing use already existing places. As far as I know it could cost a lot less in a longer run than landfills. Logically thinking, we could start re-using our old plastic immediately instead of waiting 1000 years for it to happen, wouldn't this lower the price of plastic?

I think there are some politicians filling their pockets big time if they ask for 5b a year.

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