BF2S Forums Empathy

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Can't call you a liar because I don't know, but  I seriously doubt you have put much energy into solving world hunger, or even bringing a homeless man to your home for a hot shower and a hot meal.

Then you clearly doesn't know what emphaty means ...

If you truly empathized with the homeless man, you would shelter him and feed him.....I am betting you don't. Talk is cheap, and so is empathy.

Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

Then you clearly doesn't know what emphaty means ...

If you truly empathized with the homeless man, you would shelter him and feed him.....I am betting you don't. Talk is cheap, and so is empathy.

Problem is lowing that we haven't got many homeless people in Norway ... close to non actually ... through the taxes I pay it ensures that even the weakest links in the Norwegian society gets helped when and if they need it ... but again that is charity and not empathy and empathy is what we are discussing ...

We think it's cheaper to prevent that people becomes homeless than to help them when they have become just that ... sounds funny but it works on many other issues also ... prevention and using a little up front saves you money in the long run ...

Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

Problem is lowing that we haven't got many homeless people in Norway ... close to non actually ... through the taxes I pay it ensures that even the weakest links in the Norwegian society gets helped when and if they need it ... but again that is charity and not empathy and empathy is what we are discussing ...

We think it's cheaper to prevent that people becomes homeless than to help them when they have become just that ... sounds funny but it works on many other issues also ... prevention and using a little up front saves you money in the long run ...

you psay your taxes and go on your merry way. That leaves me to wonder if YOU know what empathy is. Hell I pay my taxes as well, what is your point?

My point in that particular post that I also explained in the very same post is that helping them up front is cheaper than helping them when it's too late ...

So I guess empathy is cheaper than charity ... and it also means the two terms are not bound together in any way ...

And in case you still wonder ... "Empathy is the ability to understand and share another being's feelings."

Varegg wrote:

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

My point in that particular post that I also explained in the very same post is that helping them up front is cheaper than helping them when it's too late ...

So I guess empathy is cheaper than charity ... and it also means the two terms are not bound together in any way ...

And in case you still wonder ... "Empathy is the ability to understand and share another being's feelings."

You pay your taxes, that does not mean you give a second thought as to where it is going. I pay my taxes as well.


And yes, there is a difference between charity and empathy and paying taxes defines neither one.

I pay quite a lot of taxes lowing and am very concerned what the politicians spend it on ... agreeing on paying a higher tax is actually to be empathic about my whole countrys population and population elsewhere seeing as a quite a lot of money goes through the government into helping people in other countries to have a better life and again luckily the Norwegian government is into prevention ...

So taxes can mean both charity and empathy ...

Shahter wrote:

lowing wrote:

Varegg, your tax paying equals charity and empathy is bullshit and you know it.

sorry to interrupt, but you are forgetting one thing, lowing: one can choose whom to pay those taxes and thus whom to let spend his taxes. granted, that's not much of a choice, but still.

Last edited by lowing (2010-05-19 06:42:49)

Shahter wrote:

lowing wrote:

Shahter wrote:

sorry to interrupt, but you are forgetting one thing, lowing: one can choose whom to pay those taxes and thus whom to let spend his taxes. granted, that's not much of a choice, but still.

Really? where is that because I pay my taxes and out side my vote, I have absolutley no voice or choice as to where the money goes.

had that crap you call "democracy" worked, then the people you elected into power should have represented you and your interests by spending the money you give them as taxes accordingly. oh, wait... that never really worked. my bad, you are fucked.

11 Bravo wrote:

lol coming rom russia that is beyond funny

Shahter wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

lol coming rom russia that is beyond funny

i'm fully aware of the state of things in russia, dumbass. i never participate in a farce they call "elections" and i don't cry about how my tax money are spent. so, fuck off, would you kindly.

Varegg wrote:

Shahter wrote:

Spark wrote:

i would point out that lowing's party, well, lost.

and if they didn't it would've made a hell of a difference. right...

Well if you take a look at US policy with Dems and Reps in control you will find that there is a difference yes ...

lowing wrote:

Jaekus wrote:

lowing wrote:

Yup charity is action, empathy is cheap talk. If you empathized, truly empathized with a person, you would help, IE charity. (Give a homeless man a hot shower and meal). There is more to pity than just saying you have pity. This is the basis of my entire argument. Talk is cheap

No wonder you don't have much of a clue then.

I can empathise with people who have lost someone dear to them from a brain tumour. Doesn't mean I'm going to become a neurosurgeon to prove it.

Ahhh, but to empathize with someone you can help, and you don't. Then you have nothing but cheap talk. Just like my example. For you to have to go to such extremes to try and make a case does little but to prove my point.

Also what an ironic example you chose for being empathetic, http://forums.bf2s.com/post.php?tid=137 … id=3164536

Last edited by Jaekus (2010-05-19 07:08:42)

Jaekus wrote:

lowing wrote:

Jaekus wrote:

No wonder you don't have much of a clue then.

I can empathise with people who have lost someone dear to them from a brain tumour. Doesn't mean I'm going to become a neurosurgeon to prove it.

Ahhh, but to empathize with someone you can help, and you don't. Then you have nothing but cheap talk. Just like my example. For you to have to go to such extremes to try and make a case does little but to prove my point.

lol you can say it proves your point all you like, the only thing you're proving is you don't get it.

Also what an ironic example you chose for being empathetic, http://forums.bf2s.com/post.php?tid=137 … id=3164536

Again, you still don't get it.

I'm sick of trying to discuss with an idiot like you who can't be bothered reading a fucking dictionary, but hey I guess you are the forum troll account. I'm out.

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:

Never said capitalists don't have empathy ... if you read back it all started with me claiming that when the chase for money is more important than caring for human beings something is wrong ...

Didn't say taxes equals empathy either, I said it was more empathic to society as a whole to pay more taxes than to pay less tax and use more money on charity afterwards ...

Read what I write and respond to that rather than twisting what I write into your own delusional opinion ... 

I still stand by the textbook definition of what empathy means, you started bringing up farfetched examples with homeless and taxes ...

and I am not speaking of society. i am speaking of YOU. also you did say very few capitalist have empathy, shall I pull it up? MEMBERS of society are not empathetic either just because they pay taxes....The evil rich pay more taxes than you and I and yet you claim very few are empathetic.  the evil rich are also members of society, that you claim are empathetic because they pay taxes, so again, which argument are you trying to make.
you are spinning your wheels here Varegg. You have made claims that capitalists are not empathetic, and when challenged, you said YOU are empathetic because YOU pay your taxes...Lets keep it simple, this is what you claim, and I call bullshit on all of it, and have already explained why.