BF2S Forums Should Arizona rename itself to "Nazi-zona"?

lowing wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

Bottomline and get off the the papers kick for a second............the premise of my argument is this.

You must ID yourself when you are stopped, or suspeciaon of anything, yes or no?
If no then I call bullshit

If yes, then there is no difference between that ande what happens here.

A: It was your papers kick

B: You don't have to ID yourself if you don't want to, but you're taking a risk.

C: If a Police officer stops you for no reason and demands ID he's taking a risk.

police officers do not stop people for no reason.....so prety much your argument is bullshit

But reason could be as simple as Mexicans driving a beat up car just passing through a rich white neighborhood.

This is the single dumbest thread I have read in the history of this site.

You don't understand the law. You have your head inserted so far up your ass its amazing you don't start rolling.
All the nazi shit posted here makes me sad. Are you guys fucking retarded?


Nevermind, I know the answer.

Everyone is a Nazi.

Dilbert_X wrote:

lowing wrote:

police officers do not stop people for no reason.....so prety much your argument is bullshit

Clearly you have no experience of the police.

Clearly you have never spoken to a lawyer.

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

when I was in the 10th grade I had a mexican friend who thought he was a neo nazi.  I went to his house one day and found when I saw him having all this nazi paraphanelia in his room and as a screen saver for his pc.  It was further confirmed when he wrote something about how "my goal in life is to teach people about national socialism" or something along those lines as his senior yearbook quote.  His mexican ass ended up joining the faggot ass navy.

Without the Navy, the Marines are about as useless as a moldy taco.

They could find another ride if need be.

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Respect US sovereignty and her borders.

the ones you stole and extended? she's a bit of an amorphous, curvy bitch, aint she?

It shouldn't be called "Nazi-zona", it should be called "common-fucking-sense-zona".

I really don't understand what the uproar is all about.  This law against classes that promote racial divisions and false senses of victimization is a good thing.

Schools aren't put in place to promote agendas.  They're supposed to educate, not proselytize.  Tucson's ethnic bullshit studies are just as bad as the bullshit that Texas is pulling with their whitewashed curriculums.

For whatever reason, it would seem that America is incapable of actually teaching people in an objective manner, and when a law is actually passed to encourage this, people freak out.

What the fuck?

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Uzique wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Uzique wrote:

the ones you stole and extended? she's a bit of an amorphous, curvy bitch, aint she?

Heh.  It's just what happened.  Y'alls borders are drawn with just as much blood.

yeah... well, we're not the ones acting like gulag-commissars over ours, are we?

so

WHAT IS YOUR POINT

Well, to put things in perspective, you don't border a poor, dysfunctional country.

If you did, then you'd have very different issues to deal with that would resemble ours, and they wouldn't afford many pleasant options.

Uzique wrote:

uh hello?

ireland, scotland and wales?

do your history

they weren't functional, amazing states when 'england' as a sovereign nation bordered them

....and some of the things you had to do to "fix" things weren't exactly nice.

Every country has its burdens.  We just have one that is very large and very contemporary.

so...let me get this straight so i know some of you are not trolling....please prove to me you are not.


you have an issue with a FEDERAL law that has been law for a very long time?  you have an issue with EVERYONE being required to have some form of ID not just one specific group?

wow.  BS.  you are either trolls, media sheep, or just plain derp derp.

Nothing wrong with this thread. If you thnk some of the responses are childish.. well I guess that just mirrors the lack of reasnable thought that was put into passing these laws. IMO these laws need a good lampooning.

Arizona's reputation is going into the toilet. Look at the cities lining up to "boycott" Arizona. Looks like there are going to be some consequences for all this negative action by Arizona... nothing wrong with consequences... people are disgusted by us versus them politics. And this may very well turn moderates off of the GOP again.

Its funny how people who like these laws support it under two notions
1. They say a reading of its text defines how it will be applied.... without due consideration of its effects on other citizens, nor on how it will be actually applied. and
2. That this law is somehow patriotic and so therefore everyone should be supportive of it and help the police enforce it. Please... I don't know what dimension you're from but your obivously not from our reality. You can tell citizens who look like illegals that the law is necessary and that any negative effects on them are incidental and that they should just take one for the team... but don't be surprised when they tell you where to go and what to do with yourself when you get there. And if your reply is they are "unpatriotic" or not a "true American" well what can I say except you must be looking in a mirror.

Arizona and the culture wars
And I like how Arizona has now taken a side in the culture wars with the cirriculum law, holding the line in a rear guard action against the evil influences of hispanics. You look to Texas and California who have similar populations and they are rejecting the Arizona approach. So why is it that Arizona is trying the last bastion of whiteAmerican culture and trying to reinstitute the notion of the melting pot with flavors skewed to their liking. This has got to be one of the biggest problems with right wing nuts, they feel that they have a monopoly on the words patriotism and american culture and its the biggest crock of you know what. They use these buzz words to highlight to others of ilk mind tat the subject matter is something to be supported or rejected.

The way I look at it, the white english speaking protestant culture tipped over the melting pot in the pre 1950s era with segregation. That's the point in time when the US became a multicultural country. That's when the dominate culture turned its back on the melting pot, they forced the other cultures out of the mainstream and ghettoized them. Multiculturalism didn't arise out from some new fangled hippy idea. Multiculturalism developed as a natural result of that past prejudice. The multicultural push today is happening through shear force of population growth and those "other" cultures that were ghettoized in the past, are now starting to come to the forefront. And what was once the dominate culture is fighting a losing battle.

You see you can't have it both ways. you can't
1. deny multiculuralism. Which is what Arizona is trying to do AND
2. say that your grandma cooked the melting pot stew three generations back and froze it so that you could enjoy it exactly the same way as she enjoyed it. The problem for y'all is that each succesive generation brings it flavor to the pot whether you like it or not. And its getting mighty caliente for some. What is happening in Arizona is nothing less than an attempt to put the multicultural genie back in the bottle. But its way too late for that. IMO they lost as soon as they embraced segregation, much like a person living in a gated community has a false sense of security because as soon as you closed yourself off you stopped caring what happened outside of your gate and now those barbarians are at the gate. Even the great wall of China fell to history.

This is nothing but a rear guard action and its doomed to failure, the only question is how many people will be hurt by misguided laws like these.

So you can call the thread ridiculous, but then again you really have to playing the part of the osterich in order to ignore what's really going on

derf derf.. Some people had fun with the thread and that's cool. Serious issues like this need to be balanced with humor. Its only bloated egos and people with false bravado that can't handle a little joke about their position. The only trolls and media sheep here are the ones who don't like the thread.  And they continue to troll with points that they picked up on talk radio or from a Fox commentator. On the issue of federal law as in "have problem with enforcing federal law" and the "well everyone has to produce ID anyway" those aren't even arguments. They are just buzz phrases that on the surface sound so reasonable that they must be true, but they really mean nothing, its liking using some derf talking point and derf buzz phrase like patriotism and true american. So first fallacy, its not "everyone" that the law requires police to check... its citizens who look illegal and the law is mandatory on cops to do it, so cops have to as in are required to check the IDs of citizens who look illegal. So its not "everyone" and that means the law singles out some citizens based on how they look for negative treatment that is mandatory. That makes that part of the argument a complete lie.  and second, federal immigration law is not enforcable on citizens, period, so that's another lie. Besides that the Arizona law goes way beyond federal law. It would be like the feds have a law that makes ID checks by the border patrol mandatory on people who look illegal. That's not what the federal law is or does. The federal law doesn't strip out the cops discretion to not ask. So do I have a problem with a law that requires cops to ask citizens to ask them for their IDs based on how they look? Hell ya I do. Because it singles out and targets citizens who look like illegals for extra scrutiny that other citizens won't face. (and yes Feos or Lowing I know you will be quick to point out that the text of the law says in the furtherance of a legal stop so that means the person is already a wrongdoer and the cop therefore already has the "authoritah" to analized the guy... blah blah troll blah nothing to do with reality blah troll blah) This law is wrong, its reactionary, it going to have deterimntal effects on some citizens based on how they look and its not going to be effective, its only going to hurt the policing effort and its going to have an economic impact on Arizona because in the end we are a nation of consumer and we choose where to put our money. Remember the Dixie Chicks boycott, its the same thing here. Action begets reaction and in this case it will result in nothing getting done. But it appeases some people and rallies the base.... yeaaaah chalk one up for Arizona.  Derf indeed.

11 Bravo wrote:

so...let me get this straight so i know some of you are not trolling....please prove to me you are not.


you have an issue with a FEDERAL law that has been law for a very long time?  you have an issue with EVERYONE being required to have some form of ID not just one specific group?

wow.  BS.  you are either trolls, media sheep, or just plain derp derp.

FTW

Diesel_dyk wrote:

On the issue of federal law as in "have problem with enforcing federal law" and the "well everyone has to produce ID anyway" those aren't even arguments. They are just buzz phrases that on the surface sound so reasonable that they must be true, but they really mean nothing, its liking using some derf talking point and derf buzz phrase like patriotism and true american. So first fallacy, its not "everyone" that the law requires police to check... its citizens who look illegal and the law is mandatory on cops to do it, so cops have to as in are required to check the IDs of citizens who look illegal. So its not "everyone" and that means the law singles out some citizens based on how they look for negative treatment that is mandatory. That makes that part of the argument a complete lie.  and second, federal immigration law is not enforcable on citizens, period, so that's another lie. Besides that the Arizona law goes way beyond federal law. It would be like the feds have a law that makes ID checks by the border patrol mandatory on people who look illegal. That's not what the federal law is or does. The federal law doesn't strip out the cops discretion to not ask. So do I have a problem with a law that requires cops to ask citizens to ask them for their IDs based on how they look? Hell ya I do. Because it singles out and targets citizens who look like illegals for extra scrutiny that other citizens won't face.

You're arguments = fail. Its just some buzz phrases you picked up somewhere. Come back when you read the full post and take your time to think this one through and come up with an original thought. btw stop listening to talk radio its rotting your brain.

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