IN this quote you say EXACTLY what I said. So again, I ask where anybody other then you said the criminals dont need watching? What people do with "their" money is of no concern to me. I see no reason for it to be of concern to you. Maybe you can answer why it is, but you probably won't.lowing wrote:
Might wanna go back and read the past few pages.....My argument is these people spending time money and energy trying to bust cops instead of trying to aid the cops in busting the criminals.nlsme1 wrote:
When did anybody say that it is only the cops that need to be watched? Typical, lowing putting words in peoples mouth to debate against.lowing wrote:
Yes because as well all know it is the cops in America, and not the criminals, that is the problem.
Never said anything about cops are the only ones watched, thus, I never put words in anybodies mouth, but please contnue with the mindless lowing bashing, anything you can think of for a dig, hell even if you have to make it up....no sweat,
Never said anyone said the criminals don't need watching...I said these people are fucked uo because THEY choose to watch the cops over watching the criminals.nlsme1 wrote:
IN this quote you say EXACTLY what I said. So again, I ask where anybody other then you said the criminals dont need watching? What people do with "their" money is of no concern to me. I see no reason for it to be of concern to you. Maybe you can answer why it is, but you probably won't.lowing wrote:
Might wanna go back and read the past few pages.....My argument is these people spending time money and energy trying to bust cops instead of trying to aid the cops in busting the criminals.nlsme1 wrote:
When did anybody say that it is only the cops that need to be watched? Typical, lowing putting words in peoples mouth to debate against.
Never said anything about cops are the only ones watched, thus, I never put words in anybodies mouth, but please contnue with the mindless lowing bashing, anything you can think of for a dig, hell even if you have to make it up....no sweat,
I don't carre what people do with their money either, doesn't mean I can't think it is stupid.
"yes because as well all know it is the cops in America, and not the criminals, that is the problem"
Those are two differant statements. And plenty of people do spend their money looking out for what you would consider criminals.
BTW taxpayers pay for cops to be watched. There are cops that don't "help" other cops catch the criminals. Their only job is to watch other cops. So, why not bitch about how stupid it is for the government to take TAXPAYER money to do the same thing you are bitching about someone taking their OWN money to do?
Here is the mind fuck for you: Once ANYBODY commits a crime they are criminal. Cop or not. So they are on the lookout for criminals. They MIGHT help the cops catch one.
Those are two differant statements. And plenty of people do spend their money looking out for what you would consider criminals.
BTW taxpayers pay for cops to be watched. There are cops that don't "help" other cops catch the criminals. Their only job is to watch other cops. So, why not bitch about how stupid it is for the government to take TAXPAYER money to do the same thing you are bitching about someone taking their OWN money to do?
Here is the mind fuck for you: Once ANYBODY commits a crime they are criminal. Cop or not. So they are on the lookout for criminals. They MIGHT help the cops catch one.
Yeha well, if it makes sense to you so be it.nlsme1 wrote:
"yes because as well all know it is the cops in America, and not the criminals, that is the problem"
Those are two differant statements. And plenty of people do spend their money looking out for what you would consider criminals.
BTW taxpayers pay for cops to be watched. There are cops that don't "help" other cops catch the criminals. Their only job is to watch other cops. So, why not bitch about how stupid it is for the government to take TAXPAYER money to do the same thing you are bitching about someone taking their OWN money to do?
Here is the mind fuck for you: Once ANYBODY commits a crime they are criminal. Cop or not. So they are on the lookout for criminals. They MIGHT help the cops catch one.
I am not getting into internal affairs with you. It has nothing to do with what I said and I will not follow you into your tangent.
There's a difference between 'law and order' and 'law and order with total police and state power and no civil rights' which is what you're proposing.
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who is hating? Im just pointing out the hypocricy. Also, you do realize that the level of maintenance you performed/duties entailed would have been done by a member of the armed forces about 20 years ago.lowing wrote:
You would not believe how many soldiers tried to give us their resumes.. and the fact of the matter is, soldiers and airmen are not trained to do what we were doing. It was not part of their routine maintenance. Can't ever remember a single person that has ever told their employer, no please, I make too much, take this back.eleven bravo wrote:
tax payers filled his bank accountnlsme1 wrote:
Did he not make a pretty penny of the government?
he took the job a soldier or airmen would have had if was 15 years earlier, for a fraction of what contractors make. Shit, i would have to. Apparently he's only against social welfare, not corporate welfare.
IF a soldier or airmen could have done our job, they would have.
Also, if you are going to actually admit you would take the job as well, then stop with the hating, get some talent, and apply for a job.
Put it to you this way, when I joined the army there were 200 plus MOS's when I was discharged that number changed to 190. A lot of old MOS were phased out because private contractors (folks like you) are hired by the government to perform these tasks. MOS's like cook and laundry specialist and water purification have been slowly phased out and been replace by private contract. So, I would make a wager and say the job you did in iraq would have been performed by a member of the military in another era/conflict.
by the way, my MOS's (I had two) only qualified me to kill people and pick up cigarette butts and fuck with peoples minds. Not much I could use in the civilian sector.
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The left out illlegal in anti-immigration.the nation's toughest anti-immigration enforcement law
Protesting against people who are concerned about police breaking the law is just fucking stupid.
I am ll for civil rights, which is why we need a police force to protect them. Or do you have a better solution in dealing with people who decide to infringe on your civil rights?Dilbert_X wrote:
There's a difference between 'law and order' and 'law and order with total police and state power and no civil rights' which is what you're proposing.
Also illegal immigrants have no civil rights in America.
we should be like greece and riot against the police......worked great for them i see.
There were no MOS's in the military that had soldiers preform modifications, testing and R&D on systems in the active units. ALL jobs in the military, in the field, had to do with maintaining existing systems. NOT installing new ones. You were not handed a rifle that has not been tested and proven and told to go fight. Well, we did not hand over a gunship to a pilot in Iraq and say, see if this works.eleven bravo wrote:
who is hating? Im just pointing out the hypocrisy. Also, you do realize that the level of maintenance you performed/duties entailed would have been done by a member of the armed forces about 20 years ago.lowing wrote:
You would not believe how many soldiers tried to give us their resumes.. and the fact of the matter is, soldiers and airmen are not trained to do what we were doing. It was not part of their routine maintenance. Can't ever remember a single person that has ever told their employer, no please, I make too much, take this back.eleven bravo wrote:
tax payers filled his bank account
he took the job a soldier or airmen would have had if was 15 years earlier, for a fraction of what contractors make. Shit, i would have to. Apparently he's only against social welfare, not corporate welfare.
IF a soldier or airmen could have done our job, they would have.
Also, if you are going to actually admit you would take the job as well, then stop with the hating, get some talent, and apply for a job.
Put it to you this way, when I joined the army there were 200 plus MOS's when I was discharged that number changed to 190. A lot of old MOS were phased out because private contractors (folks like you) are hired by the government to perform these tasks. MOS's like cook and laundry specialist and water purification have been slowly phased out and been replace by private contract. So, I would make a wager and say the job you did in iraq would have been performed by a member of the military in another era/conflict.
by the way, my MOS's (I had two) only qualified me to kill people and pick up cigarette butts and fuck with peoples minds. Not much I could use in the civilian sector.
There is no hypocrisy. There was a job that needed to be done, they hired me to do it, why? because I could do it. If you want to berate me for doing it so be it, but if there is any hypocrisy, it is you trying to belittle me for doing it, then telling me you would do it as well.
And who do you think should keep the Police in check? The Police?lowing wrote:
I am ll for civil rights, which is why we need a police force to protect them. Or do you have a better solution in dealing with people who decide to infringe on your civil rights?Dilbert_X wrote:
There's a difference between 'law and order' and 'law and order with total police and state power and no civil rights' which is what you're proposing.
Don't tell me you've never heard of Police brutality or corruption.
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No, protesting against a police force whose members are not breaking the law any where near to the extent that criminals are, is just fucking stupid.ruisleipa wrote:
Protesting against people who are concerned about police breaking the law is just fucking stupid.
There is no indications anywhere that have been produced to suggest there is a greater problem with the police than with the criminal element. Your attentions are turned in the wrong direction.
Is it safe to assume then, since you suspect the police more han you suspect a criminal, that you will call a criminal to your house when you are in trouble instead of the police?
the general public do way worse than cops. actually if it wasnt for the civies acting like idiots we wouldnt need cops would we? no i know....you guys like misplaced blame.Dilbert_X wrote:
And who do you think should keep the Police in check? The Police?
Don't tell me you've never heard of Police brutality or corruption.
I have, I just do not view it as a rampant out of control problem like I do illegal immigration. The reason I don't, is because it isn't.Dilbert_X wrote:
And who do you think should keep the Police in check? The Police?lowing wrote:
I am ll for civil rights, which is why we need a police force to protect them. Or do you have a better solution in dealing with people who decide to infringe on your civil rights?Dilbert_X wrote:
There's a difference between 'law and order' and 'law and order with total police and state power and no civil rights' which is what you're proposing.
Don't tell me you've never heard of Police brutality or corruption.
You forgot to address that little issue with the fact that illegal aliens have no civil rights.
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Because your police are currently reasonably well controlled - if they weren't it would be very different.11 Bravo wrote:
the general public do way worse than cops.Dilbert_X wrote:
And who do you think should keep the Police in check? The Police?
Don't tell me you've never heard of Police brutality or corruption.
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If our police are currently REASONABLY well controlled, then there is no REASON to fuck with them is there. Is illegal immigration "currently reasonably" well controlled?Dilbert_X wrote:
Because your police are currently reasonably well controlled - if they weren't it would be very different.11 Bravo wrote:
the general public do way worse than cops.Dilbert_X wrote:
And who do you think should keep the Police in check? The Police?
Don't tell me you've never heard of Police brutality or corruption.
Who is 'fucking' with the Police?lowing wrote:
If our police are currently REASONABLY well controlled, then there is no REASON to fuck with them is there. Is illegal immigration "currently reasonably" well controlled?Dilbert_X wrote:
Because your police are currently reasonably well controlled - if they weren't it would be very different.11 Bravo wrote:
the general public do way worse than cops.
Reasonably isn't good enough either, a criminal with a badge, a gun and a Police forece and union behind him is the most dangerous criminal there is - they need to be kept TOTALLY under control.
The immigration argument is BS and irrelevant.
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and when a bad cop is caught he is treated like a criminal....what is the problem?Dilbert_X wrote:
Who is 'fucking' with the Police?lowing wrote:
If our police are currently REASONABLY well controlled, then there is no REASON to fuck with them is there. Is illegal immigration "currently reasonably" well controlled?Dilbert_X wrote:
Because your police are currently reasonably well controlled - if they weren't it would be very different.
Reasonably isn't good enough either, a criminal with a badge, a gun and a Police forece and union behind him is the most dangerous criminal there is - they need to be kept TOTALLY under control.
The immigration argument is BS and irrelevant.
immigration argument is bullshit? how so?
Who is fucking with the police. well let me see. Would you consider that you are being fucked with if a total stranger followed you around filming your every move, in hopes of catching you fucking up? I would.
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This is what happens in a totalitarian state where the Police have free reign.
Why shouldn't the Police get the same treatment?
Very lucky not to have been executedChinese man compensated for false murder conviction
A Chinese man jailed for murder and then freed when his supposed victim reappeared has been awarded government compensation, Chinese state media say.
Zhao Zuohai, 57, was imprisoned for murdering his neighbour a decade ago, but released recently after the man returned to his village.
Mr Zhao said police had beaten him and forced him to confess.
He has now been given $96,000 (£67,000) compensation. Two policemen accused of beating him have been arrested.
Sentenced to death
Zhao Zuohai's problems began in 1999, when he had a fight with his neighbour.
The neighbour then disappeared, and Mr Zhao was charged when a headless, decomposed body was found several months later.
He was initially sentenced to death but this was commuted to a 29-year term. While he was in jail, his wife remarried and several of his children were adopted.
The miscarriage of justice came to light when the neighbour returned to his village in Henan province to seek welfare support.
Mr Zhao told China Daily that police had beaten him with sticks and set off fireworks over his head to make him admit the crime.
"They taught me how to plead guilty. They told me to repeat what they said, and I had to, or I would be beaten," the newspaper quoted him as saying.
But wait, if you don't do anything wrong you have nothing to fear, isn't that your theory on telephone taps and surveillance cameras?Would you consider that you are being fucked with if a total stranger followed you around filming your every move, in hopes of catching you fucking up? I would.
Why shouldn't the Police get the same treatment?
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The immigration argument is irrelevant, might as well argue people shouldn't adopt kittens because they should be manning the border.
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Well it is a good thing the police do not have free reign. isn't it? They wire tap suspects. If you suspect a cop, by all means film him, but to go around filming every cop for no reason....Sorry there is a difference.Dilbert_X wrote:
This is what happens in a totalitarian state where the Police have free reign.Very lucky not to have been executedChinese man compensated for false murder conviction
A Chinese man jailed for murder and then freed when his supposed victim reappeared has been awarded government compensation, Chinese state media say.
Zhao Zuohai, 57, was imprisoned for murdering his neighbour a decade ago, but released recently after the man returned to his village.
Mr Zhao said police had beaten him and forced him to confess.
He has now been given $96,000 (£67,000) compensation. Two policemen accused of beating him have been arrested.
Sentenced to death
Zhao Zuohai's problems began in 1999, when he had a fight with his neighbour.
The neighbour then disappeared, and Mr Zhao was charged when a headless, decomposed body was found several months later.
He was initially sentenced to death but this was commuted to a 29-year term. While he was in jail, his wife remarried and several of his children were adopted.
The miscarriage of justice came to light when the neighbour returned to his village in Henan province to seek welfare support.
Mr Zhao told China Daily that police had beaten him with sticks and set off fireworks over his head to make him admit the crime.
"They taught me how to plead guilty. They told me to repeat what they said, and I had to, or I would be beaten," the newspaper quoted him as saying.But wait, if you don't do anything wrong you have nothing to fear, isn't that your theory on telephone taps and surveillance cameras?Would you consider that you are being fucked with if a total stranger followed you around filming your every move, in hopes of catching you fucking up? I would.
Why shouldn't the Police get the same treatment?
What? THe OP is about cops racially profiling in the attempt to catch illegals, how is that not relevent to the discussion?Dilbert_X wrote:
The immigration argument is irrelevant, might as well argue people shouldn't adopt kittens because they should be manning the border.
lowing wrote:
What? THe OP is about cops racially profiling in the attempt to catch illegals, how is that not relevent to the discussion?Dilbert_X wrote:
The immigration argument is irrelevant, might as well argue people shouldn't adopt kittens because they should be manning the border.
Its two separate things.lowing wrote:
I have, I just do not view it as a rampant out of control problem like I do illegal immigration. The reason I don't, is because it isn't.
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yer gunna have to get a bit more specific here.....make a comment so I can respond.Dilbert_X wrote:
lowing wrote:
What? THe OP is about cops racially profiling in the attempt to catch illegals, how is that not relevent to the discussion?Dilbert_X wrote:
The immigration argument is irrelevant, might as well argue people shouldn't adopt kittens because they should be manning the border.lowing wrote:
I have, I just do not view it as a rampant out of control problem like I do illegal immigration. The reason I don't, is because it isn't.
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