Dilbert_X
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The British do overload their 338s, not sure by how much.

I guess it depends a lot on exactly what happens to the bullet during the subsonic transition and after, subsonics can be made to shoot to 1,000 yds after all.
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rdx-fx
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Dilbert_X wrote:

The British do overload their 338s, not sure by how much.

I guess it depends a lot on exactly what happens to the bullet during the subsonic transition and after, subsonics can be made to shoot to 1,000 yds after all.
Playing around in Quickload, the hottest I could get a .338 Lapua Cartridge launching a 300 gr bullet was 2875fps (Using normal powders)...

Even with a custom canister powder (Take the energy potential of VV double-base ala N540, add a large grain size and a retardant coating to slow it down ala RL-25 or Retumbo), the best I can realistically get is 2950fps.
And even with that Voodoo-Juju round, it's still going transonic at 2400m (crosses mach 1.0 right before 2700m)


The Brits can load as hot as they like, but the mechanical limits of the brass isn't too far off from 65kpsi.


That's taking the 5-25x56 scope, dialing it all the way down to the stops on adjustment and still using a bit of holdover..  Then putting a round into a target the size of an open beer bottle mouth from 100m (or 100yd, whichever your head is calibrated in.. close enough for this analogy)


Just damn phenomenal that a shooter could make that shot, under combat conditions, repeatedly

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Dilbert_X
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It does seem highly improbable, guess we'll see it if gets confirmed.

I can't get Vihtavuori powder in this backwater Thankfully at 25m its not too critical Still would be nice though, it just meters that much better than Winchester or Alliant.

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Trotskygrad
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Aimbot tbh.

Anyways... Enlighten me to why the Household Cavalry is called that.
Cybargs
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Trotskygrad wrote:

Aimbot tbh.

Anyways... Enlighten me to why the Household Cavalry is called that.
Their job is to guard members of the royal family afiaik. Hence the name "Household." Pretty much secret service/military regiment. Elite motherfuckers too.
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Dilbert_X
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The term Household Cavalry is used across the Commonwealth to describe the cavalry of the Household Divisions, a country’s most elite or historically senior military groupings or those military groupings that provide functions associated directly with the Head of state.

The British Household Cavalry is classed as a corps in its own right, and consists of two regiments: the Life Guards and the Blues and Royals (Royal Horse Guards and 1st Dragoons). They are the senior regular regiments in the British Army, with traditions dating from 1660, and act as the Queen's personal bodyguard. The regiments are Guards regiments and form Britain's Household Division with the five Foot Guards regiments.
As in the Queen's household, her personal bodyguards.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_Cavalry
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Cybargs wrote:

Trotskygrad wrote:

Aimbot tbh.

Anyways... Enlighten me to why the Household Cavalry is called that.
Their job is to guard members of the royal family afiaik. Hence the name "Household." Pretty much secret service/military regiment. Elite motherfuckers too.
Elite isn't how I would describe the household cav but each their own...
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Vilham wrote:

Wow, amazing shot, tbh if I was in the army I think sniping is something I would like to aim for, being able to hit targets that others can't is where my personal enjoyment comes in shooting, if I was shit at clay shooting I would have long since given up.
I don't plan on being a sniper as you have to have a shitload of patience which I don't have.
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
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War Man wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Wow, amazing shot, tbh if I was in the army I think sniping is something I would like to aim for, being able to hit targets that others can't is where my personal enjoyment comes in shooting, if I was shit at clay shooting I would have long since given up.
I don't plan on being a sniper as you have to have a shitload of patience which I don't have.
Not to mention you need to know better physics than somebody working at NASA
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FatherTed wrote:

Doctor Strangelove wrote:

Novalogic games were utter shit and they only sold copies to armiemans like -Sh1tfy-
this post is wrong

DF:BHD was an incredible game
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-Sh1fty- wrote:

War Man wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Wow, amazing shot, tbh if I was in the army I think sniping is something I would like to aim for, being able to hit targets that others can't is where my personal enjoyment comes in shooting, if I was shit at clay shooting I would have long since given up.
I don't plan on being a sniper as you have to have a shitload of patience which I don't have.
Not to mention you need to know better physics than somebody working at NASA
errr.

no.
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Uzique wrote:

-Sh1fty- wrote:

War Man wrote:


I don't plan on being a sniper as you have to have a shitload of patience which I don't have.
Not to mention you need to know better physics than somebody working at NASA
errr.

no.
you need to calculate crap faster than the people at NASA, that's fo sho. Cause the pplz at NASA have supercomputers. Or accurately estimate better.
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War Man wrote:

I don't plan on being a sniper as you have to have a shitload of patience which I don't have.

-Sh1fty- wrote:

Not to mention you need to know better physics than somebody working at NASA

Trotskygrad wrote:

you need to calculate crap faster than the people at NASA, that's fo sho. Cause the pplz at NASA have supercomputers. Or accurately estimate better.
Patience is the preferred attribute.  For one of the snipers I know, he is not a patient man - but he is stubborn, grimly determined, and stoic.
(Think Hugo Stiglitz, from Inglorious Basterds) and that grim, quiet, violence-on-tap serves as a stand-in for patience.

Smart, knowledgeable, intuitive, eagle-eyed - are terms I'd use to describe the three snipers I know. 
None of them have taken any physics or math past high school, however. 
Their knowledge of exterior ballistics is superb, but it is a field/practical knowledge rather than a mathematical/physics based knowledge.

They are not NASA Scientists, they are field soldiers.  Experience, memory, training, and attention to detail are their primary tools. 
They don't do complex calculus equations in their head while shooting - they have someone else do that, write down all the useful answers, and memorize the table of answers. (trajectory tables, wind drift @ ranges, altitude corrections, sine angle corrections).

They could tell you how to read the wind by feel, or by sight.. They could tell you a few short algebra equations to mentally calculate certain important variables..  They could tell you how to be so damn sneaky in the woods that you surprise woodland creatures at touching range.. But their knowledge of interior ballistics is rather shallow.  To them, interior ballistics is summed up with "chamber a military issue match round, get proper positioning, and pull the trigger careful-like"

There are the Geek Ballisticians (the scientists of shooting), then there are the Snipers (the practical applications guys) - very rarely do you meet someone that is both.

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-Sh1fty- wrote:

War Man wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Wow, amazing shot, tbh if I was in the army I think sniping is something I would like to aim for, being able to hit targets that others can't is where my personal enjoyment comes in shooting, if I was shit at clay shooting I would have long since given up.
I don't plan on being a sniper as you have to have a shitload of patience which I don't have.
Not to mention you need to know better physics than somebody working at NASA
That's only to be a marine sniper, other snipers just need to know math.
-Sh1fty-
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I don't understand how snipers can hide themselves so well. They can't see their bodies from a 3rd person perspective, so how do they know they're so well hidden ?

The whole art of camouflage is just awesome.
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eleven bravo wrote:

i almost went to sniper school
I've the patience and attention to detail to be an MI geek, or an Engineer, or a designated marksman.
But not the eerie 'oh, I just spot things without thinking about it' that the snipers I've known have.

Yesterday, for example, driving down the highway at 75mph, past a field full of 30+ horses, one of the old snipers comes out with;
"Oh, there's a new colt in there"
He was the one driving.. we don't know the owners of that field.. he never appeared to look at the field other than out of the corner of his eye.. we were 40 miles and 55 miles from where we live, respectively.
He just notices things without seeming to have to work at it, or even think about it.
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rdx-fx wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

i almost went to sniper school
I've the patience and attention to detail to be an MI geek, or an Engineer, or a designated marksman.
But not the eerie 'oh, I just spot things without thinking about it' that the snipers I've known have.

Yesterday, for example, driving down the highway at 75mph, past a field full of 30+ horses, one of the old snipers comes out with;
"Oh, there's a new colt in there"
He was the one driving.. we don't know the owners of that field.. he never appeared to look at the field other than out of the corner of his eye.. we were 40 miles and 55 miles from where we live, respectively.
He just notices things without seeming to have to work at it, or even think about it.
wallhacker tbh

That's an amazing little tale.
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-Sh1fty- wrote:

War Man wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Wow, amazing shot, tbh if I was in the army I think sniping is something I would like to aim for, being able to hit targets that others can't is where my personal enjoyment comes in shooting, if I was shit at clay shooting I would have long since given up.
I don't plan on being a sniper as you have to have a shitload of patience which I don't have.
Not to mention you need to know better physics than somebody working at NASA
Pretty sure they just read stuff off tables.
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rdx-fx wrote:

War Man wrote:

I don't plan on being a sniper as you have to have a shitload of patience which I don't have.

-Sh1fty- wrote:

Not to mention you need to know better physics than somebody working at NASA

Trotskygrad wrote:

you need to calculate crap faster than the people at NASA, that's fo sho. Cause the pplz at NASA have supercomputers. Or accurately estimate better.
Patience is the preferred attribute.  For one of the snipers I know, he is not a patient man - but he is stubborn, grimly determined, and stoic.
(Think Hugo Stiglitz, from Inglorious Basterds) and that grim, quiet, violence-on-tap serves as a stand-in for patience.

Smart, knowledgeable, intuitive, eagle-eyed - are terms I'd use to describe the three snipers I know. 
None of them have taken any physics or math past high school, however. 
Their knowledge of exterior ballistics is superb, but it is a field/practical knowledge rather than a mathematical/physics based knowledge.

They are not NASA Scientists, they are field soldiers.  Experience, memory, training, and attention to detail are their primary tools. 
They don't do complex calculus equations in their head while shooting - they have someone else do that, write down all the useful answers, and memorize the table of answers. (trajectory tables, wind drift @ ranges, altitude corrections, sine angle corrections).

They could tell you how to read the wind by feel, or by sight.. They could tell you a few short algebra equations to mentally calculate certain important variables..  They could tell you how to be so damn sneaky in the woods that you surprise woodland creatures at touching range.. But their knowledge of interior ballistics is rather shallow.  To them, interior ballistics is summed up with "chamber a military issue match round, get proper positioning, and pull the trigger careful-like"

There are the Geek Ballisticians (the scientists of shooting), then there are the Snipers (the practical applications guys) - very rarely do you meet someone that is both.
Well yeah short algebra equations, you gotta do those quick-like.
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eleven bravo wrote:

i almost went to sniper school
dang nigga, you sound liek u wanna cap someone!
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At 2000m+ could he even see the guys in the scope? How high do you have to aim your guy? More like a low caliber mortar than a rifle
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-Sh1fty- wrote:

At 2000m+ could he even see the guys in the scope?
well, if not, that would sorta make the shot impossible.

How high do you have to aim your guy? More like a low caliber mortar than a rifle
depending on unknown-to-us variables, the bullet is dropping at least 200 feet, probably somewhere between 250 and 300+ feet.  By the time the bullet gets to 2700 yards, it's coming down at a very steep angle and it's subsonic.  If their ranging was off by even 20 yards, they'd  be nearly 2 moa off target, which at 2700 yards is around 4.7 feet.
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Reciprocity wrote:

-Sh1fty- wrote:

At 2000m+ could he even see the guys in the scope?
well, if not, that would sorta make the shot impossible.

How high do you have to aim your guy? More like a low caliber mortar than a rifle
depending on unknown-to-us variables, the bullet is dropping at least 200 feet, probably somewhere between 250 and 300+ feet.  By the time the bullet gets to 2700 yards, it's coming down at a very steep angle and it's subsonic.  If their ranging was off by even 20 yards, they'd  be nearly 2 moa off target, which at 2700 yards is around 4.7 feet.
The bullet might actually go up due to humidity + heat. That's what happened to one of my buddy's friend in Afghanistan lol... His tracer went down and went up and he raged.
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-Sh1fty- wrote:

At 2000m+ could he even see the guys in the scope? How high do you have to aim your guy? More like a low caliber mortar than a rifle
With a 25-power scope (likely the S&B 5-25x56), a target at 2500m through the 25x scope will look roughly the same size as the same object standing 100m away viewed with the unaided eye. So, yes, you can see the target, if the atmosphere is clear enough.

Not at all like a mortar.
The bullet drop at that range, using the ammo they probably used (not my 'best case scenario' ammo above), is dropping about 286 feet from initial line-of-flight.  At2500m, 286' drop = 3435" = 120MOA = 2° (roughly)

[3am here, someone else can check the math, if you really want]

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