Harmor
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+605|6834|San Diego, CA, USA
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MH Real Estate and Investments wrote:

This may be a surprising headline considering I’m in the business of handling real estate transactions, but I believe that consumers should know what they are getting into, not get fed a bunch of pie in the sky optimistic rhetoric.

The bulls point to 2 metrics as to why the housing market is going to improve –
1. Annualized sales are roughly half of historic norms. (366,000 vs pre-bubble 650,000)
2. Home prices have been on the rise for 8 straight months in many markets.

Those are valid statistics to a point; however I doubt that lending is going to open up to the degree necessary to get sales back to their pre-bubble averages. The mandates of Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac stretch back much further than the bubble years. Their difficulties make it seem quite unlikely that banks are going to want to retain additional mortgage debt risk. Without Fannie or Freddie to grease the wheels of securitization and keep investment money pumping into the system, banks are going to be more careful about whom they lend to, thus reducing the pool of qualifie buyers leading to a creation of a new ‘norm’ for annualized sales.

Secondly, this home price increase is a mirage. In many areas the home prices have gone up because homebuyers are fighting to take advantage of the tax credit. The primary reason for the median increase is that jumbo loans are slowly starting to come back. The housing market was skewed towards the lower end because that was the area where banks were still willing to lend and there is a greater population pool. Remember the median is the 50th percentile, if there aren’t any high end homes in the market, then the market weighting is going to pull home values down substantially.

The negatives on the other hand are much more powerful. Foreclosure rates are still high, many Americans still have adjustable rate mortgages and interest rates on mortgages are going up. Job creation is a sham because many of the jobs are temporary having to do with the census. The government’s lack of fiscal restraint is going to continue to drive up borrowing rates over the next few years as well.

So we have high unemployment, coupled with a large supply married to increasing rates which equals a housing market that is going to be stagnant for a couple more years.

Does that mean you should wait to invest or buy? Not necessarily, nobody can predict the exact turning point. It’s better to get a ‘good’ deal than to miss out on the investment altogether. Just be prepared to hold onto the property for 5+ years. If you’re not trying to get rich quick, then this IS a good time to dip your toes into the market, but be forewarned it’s going to be a bumpy ride.
The numbers we are going to get from last month from all the government cheese will be a red herring.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6886|132 and Bush

The tax rebates are about to expire. The real reason behind the recent comeback.

Would be buyers are racing to make it in time now.
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ATG
Banned
+5,233|6814|Global Command
I submit that we are still on the edge of a cliff.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6886|132 and Bush

It will pick up a little. It always does in the summer. Kids getting out of school, easier to relocate.
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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6690|North Carolina
The housing market varies a lot by location.  Here in NC, things are still pretty stable, despite our high unemployment.  For whatever reason, a lot of people continue to move here.  Charlotte and Raleigh have been growing by leaps and bounds, so the housing markets remain strong there.

Even in my city of Greensboro, property is pretty stable in value.  Granted, another advantage most of NC has is that our bubble never got that bloated.  Raleigh homes can be somewhat overvalued in a few areas, but it's nothing like what happened to parts of Florida and California.

Generally speaking, the areas that will recover fastest aren't overvalued much.  Texas, NC, Georgia, and Colorado will continue to be safe areas to invest in real estate.  Florida and California will be much shakier in many areas.  Also, Arizona and Nevada aren't doing too well.
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
+1,538|5987|College Park, MD
i'd like a buyer's market when I'm gonna be buying
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FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6696|'Murka

ATG wrote:

I submit that we are still on the edge of a cliff.
When have you ever NOT said that?

@ the OP: it's all local. If you live in Bumfuck, America, it's probably a stagnant market. If you live anywhere near a military base or bases, you probably haven't seen much of a difference, as there will always be turnover in real estate there due to mandatory moves...particularly if that is the big employer in the area.
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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6886|132 and Bush

I live just a few miles from a base and there has been an extraordinary difference. Last month one of my friends neighbors (in the Airforce) was forced to short sale their home because he was getting relocated. Military homes have to compete with the market just like everyone else. The military and it's turnover rate does not make up a big enough portion to keep them immune.

You right in saying it's mostly local. Though there are national buying trends the react to Federal Tax laws/credits.
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Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5643|London, England

Kmarion wrote:

I live just a few miles from a base and there has been an extraordinary difference. Last month one of my friends neighbors (in the Airforce) was forced to short sale their home because he was getting relocated. Military homes have to compete with the market just like everyone else. The military and it's turnover rate does not make up a big enough portion to keep them immune.

You right in saying it's mostly local. Though there are national buying trends the react to Federal Tax laws/credits.
There's no point in buying a home while in the military unless you're about to retire, it's your last duty station, and you plan on staying in the area. The people that do are essentially paying double on rent for no other reason than they want to 'own something'. I can't tell you how many guys I saw buy homes and then either get divorced or get orders to go elsewhere. Then they'd get stuck paying mortgage payments on something they're not likely to see for years. Some tried to justify it by saying 'I'll just rent it out if I get orders'... yeah but so is everyone else which is why rent in the area is dirt cheap. When I lived in Texas I rented a three bedroom home right outside of Fort Hood for $450 a month. There is no way in hell that my rent was covering the mortgage.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6886|132 and Bush

Certainly not in this market. They, like most people didn't see this coming. Even non military folks weren't staying in there homes more that 6 months before flipping it a few years ago. Hindsight, 20/20 ya know.
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FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6696|'Murka

Kmarion wrote:

I live just a few miles from a base and there has been an extraordinary difference. Last month one of my friends neighbors (in the Airforce) was forced to short sale their home because he was getting relocated. Military homes have to compete with the market just like everyone else. The military and it's turnover rate does not make up a big enough portion to keep them immune.

You right in saying it's mostly local. Though there are national buying trends the react to Federal Tax laws/credits.
But you live in the Tampa area, where there are many other forces at work. My point was that if the primary driver in the area is military, then it isn't really as big of an issue.

JohnG@lt wrote:

There's no point in buying a home while in the military unless you're about to retire, it's your last duty station, and you plan on staying in the area. The people that do are essentially paying double on rent for no other reason than they want to 'own something'. I can't tell you how many guys I saw buy homes and then either get divorced or get orders to go elsewhere. Then they'd get stuck paying mortgage payments on something they're not likely to see for years. Some tried to justify it by saying 'I'll just rent it out if I get orders'... yeah but so is everyone else which is why rent in the area is dirt cheap. When I lived in Texas I rented a three bedroom home right outside of Fort Hood for $450 a month. There is no way in hell that my rent was covering the mortgage.
Totally depends on the stability of your tours and whether you have a family or not. This is the second home I've purchased (both in the San Antonio area--sold the first when we PCSd the first time, at a slight profit) and with interest rates and VA loan requirements, it was cheaper to buy than to rent an equivalent-sized house per month. Same thing now, except we're at the point in my career where we plan on keeping this one long term. But then again, San Antonio has one of the better/more stable housing markets in the country.

I do know plenty of people who keep homes as investments. I jokingly refer to them as "slum lords", but they actually do pretty well renting them out.

That said, I did not buy when I was station in DC. That would've been remarkably stupid. Again...it's all local.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

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