i think anarcho-syndicalism is worth a go
fuck all this bullshit
fuck all this bullshit
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Poll
Who are you voting for?
| Conservative | 26% | 26% - 18 | ||||
| Labour | 13% | 13% - 9 | ||||
| Liberal Democrats | 25% | 25% - 17 | ||||
| Greens | 4% | 4% - 3 | ||||
| Ukip | 2% | 2% - 2 | ||||
| Bnp | 20% | 20% - 14 | ||||
| Other | 5% | 5% - 4 | ||||
| Total: 67 | ||||||
i feel so bloody sorry for this storm-in-a-teacup that is affecting gordon brown.
did you see the video footage of the old woman? she was a fucking bigot. brown was short on patience and said it like it was. people have always known that he's a piss-poor public speaker and the old guy looked bloody pained and vulnerable when she approached him. this is just another example of why our democratic and political system doesn't work: the media get over-involved, mess around with petty, trite nothings, give little-to-no-exposure to REAL issues, and over-dramatizing bullshit. i suppose he had a lucky stroke in getting the job in the first place but this is no reason to write-off a hard-working bloke's career.
did you see the video footage of the old woman? she was a fucking bigot. brown was short on patience and said it like it was. people have always known that he's a piss-poor public speaker and the old guy looked bloody pained and vulnerable when she approached him. this is just another example of why our democratic and political system doesn't work: the media get over-involved, mess around with petty, trite nothings, give little-to-no-exposure to REAL issues, and over-dramatizing bullshit. i suppose he had a lucky stroke in getting the job in the first place but this is no reason to write-off a hard-working bloke's career.
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Yeah I feel pretty bad for him about it. And the media is reporting it as a 'slur', as if calling someone a bigot is like calling them a n*gger.
I'd be fucked if I was a politician, first time they caught me saying something I thought was in private, the nation would have a fit with the amount of fucks and cunts used.
I'd be fucked if I was a politician, first time they caught me saying something I thought was in private, the nation would have a fit with the amount of fucks and cunts used.
People often talk about political gaffes in terms of car crashes. But this is no car crash, this is a multi-lane, multi-vehicle pile-up of enormous proportion.Uzique wrote:
the media get over-involved, mess around with petty, trite nothings, give little-to-no-exposure to REAL issues, and over-dramatizing bullshit.
That's what the BBC said
over-dramatising is an understatement
The 3 candidates for my college's constituency came to college for a "question time" type debate
The Labour candidate didn't do so well, giving one word answers, saying she disagreed outright with some of their policies and then when she criticised the BNP for getting 2 seats in the EU everyone questionned her on that, and to top it all off she left her phone on and it went off
The Labour candidate didn't do so well, giving one word answers, saying she disagreed outright with some of their policies and then when she criticised the BNP for getting 2 seats in the EU everyone questionned her on that, and to top it all off she left her phone on and it went off
Lib dem, best of a bad bunch.
edit: im in south norfolk which is a dead cert for conservatives though so theres not much point.
edit: im in south norfolk which is a dead cert for conservatives though so theres not much point.
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I'd type my pc specs out all fancy again but teh mods would remove it. Again.
Personally I think he's done a shit job, and if he's going to get worked up over trivia like a five minute conversation with a housewife with an agenda then he's lacking somewhat in perspective and humour.Uzique wrote:
i feel so bloody sorry for this storm-in-a-teacup that is affecting gordon brown.
did you see the video footage of the old woman? she was a fucking bigot. brown was short on patience and said it like it was. people have always known that he's a piss-poor public speaker and the old guy looked bloody pained and vulnerable when she approached him. this is just another example of why our democratic and political system doesn't work: the media get over-involved, mess around with petty, trite nothings, give little-to-no-exposure to REAL issues, and over-dramatizing bullshit. i suppose he had a lucky stroke in getting the job in the first place but this is no reason to write-off a hard-working bloke's career.
Its trivial but indicative of the guy.
Fuck Israel
So anyway there's this good website which basically shows what we were talking about how the plurality system we have is bollocks, check it out and type in your constituency/post code to see how shit really is:
http://www.voterpower.org.uk/
http://www.voterpower.org.uk/
In Birmingham Yardley, one person does not really have one vote, they have the equivalent of 0.432 votes.Mekstizzle wrote:
So anyway there's this good website which basically shows what we were talking about how the plurality system we have is bollocks, check it out and type in your constituency/post code to see how shit really is:
http://www.voterpower.org.uk/
thats 0.2% bigger than the average
Ideally, yes...Uzique wrote:
i think anarcho-syndicalism is worth a go
fuck all this bullshit
Wow!SEREVENT wrote:
In Birmingham Yardley, one person does not really have one vote, they have the equivalent of 0.432 votes.Mekstizzle wrote:
So anyway there's this good website which basically shows what we were talking about how the plurality system we have is bollocks, check it out and type in your constituency/post code to see how shit really is:
http://www.voterpower.org.uk/
thats 0.2% bigger than the average
That's loads.
In Lewisham Deptford, one person does not really have one vote, they have the equivalent of 0.018 votes.
Wow... and I thought our 1 person = 1 vote idea was misrepresented here. It looks your people are even more disenfranchised.Bertster7 wrote:
Wow!SEREVENT wrote:
In Birmingham Yardley, one person does not really have one vote, they have the equivalent of 0.432 votes.Mekstizzle wrote:
So anyway there's this good website which basically shows what we were talking about how the plurality system we have is bollocks, check it out and type in your constituency/post code to see how shit really is:
http://www.voterpower.org.uk/
thats 0.2% bigger than the average
That's loads.In Lewisham Deptford, one person does not really have one vote, they have the equivalent of 0.018 votes.
wot
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I realize that U.K. citizens each can vote once per election, but as that website posits, the net effect is not really one of one person = one vote.Uzique wrote:
wot
Here, we mostly remain consistent with that idea.
sorry turq, i was replying to an obvious-troll answer that was deleted... it mentioned McCain.
our plurality voting system is a hangover from the days of democracy in infancy- a rudimentary fragment from the medieval era.
a system of democracy that the american bar association condoned and sponsored, by the way
our plurality voting system is a hangover from the days of democracy in infancy- a rudimentary fragment from the medieval era.
a system of democracy that the american bar association condoned and sponsored, by the way
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Anyone changed their mind recently?
Well apart from liking Lib Dem much more than I thought not really. This constituency, only Tories have a chance of changing things around. For me to vote Lib Dems would be making it easier for Labour here. I wish it wasn't the case because I'd like my vote to mean more otherwise I would have thought about choosing between Libs/Tories much harder than now, but that's how it is. I was gonna originally vote for Conservatives anyway.
BNP ftw
i will say this - i think brown is a much better politician than people, the media, and the dumbass youth give credit for.
the young voting demographic have been too brainwashed by x-factor and shit like that - they want a public media man. brown isn't that.
but i think he has a better grip on economics, the markets, budgeting and the practicalities of politics.
it's easy for the other two to look 'good', all they've ever had to do in office is bitch and moan and make an example out of labour.
i fear for what will happen if clegg/cameron gets in purely on the young-popularity vote... things could get much much worse. young people don't really understand the ideologies that these people espouse, or the total visions that these politicians have for their ideal 'england'. they're basing their vote exclusively off the public debates, because they contrivedly think they're being 'involved' in politics and 'having a say'. ignorance is not political bliss.
the young voting demographic have been too brainwashed by x-factor and shit like that - they want a public media man. brown isn't that.
but i think he has a better grip on economics, the markets, budgeting and the practicalities of politics.
it's easy for the other two to look 'good', all they've ever had to do in office is bitch and moan and make an example out of labour.
i fear for what will happen if clegg/cameron gets in purely on the young-popularity vote... things could get much much worse. young people don't really understand the ideologies that these people espouse, or the total visions that these politicians have for their ideal 'england'. they're basing their vote exclusively off the public debates, because they contrivedly think they're being 'involved' in politics and 'having a say'. ignorance is not political bliss.
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I think the simple fact that no one can agree on what the economy needs shows that the markets are more dynamic and out of governments hands than they like to admit.
I would hope that anyone who is voting has atleast read the policy's of that party, they shouldn't really be voting if they haven't.
I would hope that anyone who is voting has atleast read the policy's of that party, they shouldn't really be voting if they haven't.
I think Brown has created many of the structural problems now facing the economy, stuff him.
And its not that no-one can agree, its just none of them will give the electorate the bad news until after the election.
What they are saying or what is in their manifesto is almost irrelevant.
As for labour, it will just be more of the same and that can't be good.
And its not that no-one can agree, its just none of them will give the electorate the bad news until after the election.
What they are saying or what is in their manifesto is almost irrelevant.
As for labour, it will just be more of the same and that can't be good.
Fuck Israel
So, Nick Clegg then?Uzique wrote:
they want a public media man. brown isn't that.
Yet when he was the chancellor he made bad decision that impacted negatively years later? And not to mention the fact that when he could've called a general election, one he would've outright won, he bottled it because he's spineless.Uzique wrote:
but i think he has a better grip on economics, the markets, budgeting and the practicalities of politics.
Are you basing this on the fact that most young people, unlike me, are in education and therefore are bombarded with left-wing ideologies?Uzique wrote:
it's easy for the other two to look 'good', all they've ever had to do in office is bitch and moan and make an example out of labour.
i fear for what will happen if clegg/cameron gets in purely on the young-popularity vote... things could get much much worse. young people don't really understand the ideologies that these people espouse
Because nothing they do impacts Scotland in any way.Uzique wrote:
or the total visions that these politicians have for their ideal 'england'.
I should've karma'd you for this alone. Perfectly put.Dilbert_X wrote:
I think Brown has created many of the structural problems now facing the economy, stuff him.
stop being a pedantic cunt, i say 'england' because i live in fucking england. sorry, for their ideal 'scotland, england, wales and northern ireland'.
i don't know where you get the idea from that schools are 'bombarding' (that would equal a teacher being fired) any students with left-wing ideologies. this isn't america: we don't have the fear of a seditious academic body instilling young students with radical, revolutionary views with their pesky liberalism and communist propaganda. i can guarantee you that every single lecturer at my university is a conservative- with maybe a few liberals thrown in there for the more open-minded, younger ones.
if brown called an election back then, he would have been pilloried as well: "He only called the election because he knew he would win and guarantee another full-term!" etc. it's the job of the press and the opposition parties, it seems, to call the people in power out 24/7- and they clearly did a good job of it because they have you eating out of their hand. same with the chancellor 'bad decision'. what bad decision, exactly? to not intervene in the running of the american banking system - to not investigate the hidden tricks of their trade, to stop the entire collapse of the western banking system? to not bail out lehmann bros? to not let northern rock and the ensuing other banks collapse? do you know what you're talking about? i think brown has navigated us through some turbulent waters in an okay fashion. he hasn't been the economics-mastermind, there's a huge defecit and lots of problems, but you have to also look at the solutions. i'm more right-leaning in my ideology than left but even i can see that the conservatives plans for 'cost-cutting' could be pretty damaging to people of our generation. the conservatives have always tended to the rich-flock and we, as 20-somethings, some still in education, have to admit that independently we're not part of that flock.
i think this entire election campaign has been a bit of a joke, to be honest. i don't think any of them are up to the job. i don't think the public shit-dealing on brown is deserved or based in proper political fact, but i don't think the messianic rise of clegg is based in anything, either. nor do i think cameron is genuine, sincere or at all any good at actual politics. he's a good speaker and a good political criticizer. a good prime minister? i really don't think so.
i don't know where you get the idea from that schools are 'bombarding' (that would equal a teacher being fired) any students with left-wing ideologies. this isn't america: we don't have the fear of a seditious academic body instilling young students with radical, revolutionary views with their pesky liberalism and communist propaganda. i can guarantee you that every single lecturer at my university is a conservative- with maybe a few liberals thrown in there for the more open-minded, younger ones.
if brown called an election back then, he would have been pilloried as well: "He only called the election because he knew he would win and guarantee another full-term!" etc. it's the job of the press and the opposition parties, it seems, to call the people in power out 24/7- and they clearly did a good job of it because they have you eating out of their hand. same with the chancellor 'bad decision'. what bad decision, exactly? to not intervene in the running of the american banking system - to not investigate the hidden tricks of their trade, to stop the entire collapse of the western banking system? to not bail out lehmann bros? to not let northern rock and the ensuing other banks collapse? do you know what you're talking about? i think brown has navigated us through some turbulent waters in an okay fashion. he hasn't been the economics-mastermind, there's a huge defecit and lots of problems, but you have to also look at the solutions. i'm more right-leaning in my ideology than left but even i can see that the conservatives plans for 'cost-cutting' could be pretty damaging to people of our generation. the conservatives have always tended to the rich-flock and we, as 20-somethings, some still in education, have to admit that independently we're not part of that flock.
i think this entire election campaign has been a bit of a joke, to be honest. i don't think any of them are up to the job. i don't think the public shit-dealing on brown is deserved or based in proper political fact, but i don't think the messianic rise of clegg is based in anything, either. nor do i think cameron is genuine, sincere or at all any good at actual politics. he's a good speaker and a good political criticizer. a good prime minister? i really don't think so.
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Came across this on the BBC, people should give it a good reading over.
Where they stand: Guide to party election policies
Gonna go through this before I finally make my decision, seems decent
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The problem I've had with this election is that the parties themselves are focusing on what xyz did wrong rather than what they're going to do, maybe that article will clear some things up
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I gotta admit, even just reading the "Key priorities" Lib Dems speaks to me more than the others. damn u plurality
I wish I could vote for a party but if they lose then my vote goes to another party just so that the other other party wouldn't win
Where they stand: Guide to party election policies
Gonna go through this before I finally make my decision, seems decent
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The problem I've had with this election is that the parties themselves are focusing on what xyz did wrong rather than what they're going to do, maybe that article will clear some things up
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I gotta admit, even just reading the "Key priorities" Lib Dems speaks to me more than the others. damn u plurality
I wish I could vote for a party but if they lose then my vote goes to another party just so that the other other party wouldn't win
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Oooh, that's really helpful actually. +1Mekstizzle wrote:
Came across this on the BBC, people should give it a good reading over.
Where they stand: Guide to party election policies
Gonna go through this before I finally make my decision, seems decent
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The problem I've had with this election is that the parties themselves are focusing on what xyz did wrong rather than what they're going to do, maybe that article will clear some things up
--
I gotta admit, even just reading the "Key priorities" Lib Dems speaks to me more than the others. damn u plurality
I wish I could vote for a party but if they lose then my vote goes to another party just so that the other other party wouldn't win