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2010-04-30 10:09:33
Bertster7
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jord wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

jord wrote:


From a McDonalds a week to lower quality of lives for poor children? Only here.


If the parents are going McDonalds anyway then the kid gets a Happy Meal. I doubt the parents go specifically out of the way to go and get a meal because the kid wants a toy worth 10p. Either way they're eating McDonalds when they go there, toy or not. And when they're a bit older and learn about healthy diet then they can chose what they wanna eat themselves.

I was happy with any fast food when I was younger, Burger King, KFC, McDonalds, Fish n Chips. The toys are shite.
You might doubt it, billions upon billions of dollars of advertising spend say different.

Kids predominantly want their fast food from chain outlets they have seen advertised. Burger King, KFC, McDonalds - all the same.
I agree they do want them from the big chains.

I can't remember an age I wanted to get Mcd's for dinner for the toy though. I can remember back until I was like 5 too...
Exactly. The toys are beside the point, they are just an illustration.

Children pick up on the flashier adverts and they want that stuff.

This then sets dietary trends - particularly in poor, less educated people.
2010-04-30 10:12:53
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
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11 Bravo wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

11b what's your main 'beef' with this?
i said that on page one in my first response.

11 Bravo wrote:

god people are so stupid.  if restaurants had to post what was in their food it would make happy meals look like health food.  yay keep being sheep.  same thing about the KFC double down.  a jalapeno burger from chilis is like eating 3 double downs.  dont hear shit about chilis do ya?  nope.  fail sheep fail.
Your point is that people are stupid?  Chili's jalapeno burger is worse for you than a happy meal but Chili's doesn't include a toy, and they don't aggressively advertise to children using the toy as the main focus to sell their goods.  And their jalapeno burger isn't on the kid's menu  See the difference?
2010-04-30 10:13:21
11 Bravo
Banned
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Bertster7 wrote:

No it isn't.
yes...it is.
2010-04-30 10:14:40
11 Bravo
Banned
+965|5523|Cleveland, Ohio

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

11b what's your main 'beef' with this?
i said that on page one in my first response.

11 Bravo wrote:

god people are so stupid.  if restaurants had to post what was in their food it would make happy meals look like health food.  yay keep being sheep.  same thing about the KFC double down.  a jalapeno burger from chilis is like eating 3 double downs.  dont hear shit about chilis do ya?  nope.  fail sheep fail.
Your point is that people are stupid?  Chili's jalapeno burger is worse for you than a happy meal but Chili's doesn't include a toy, and they don't aggressively advertise to children using the toy as the main focus to sell their goods.  See the difference?
no.  you hippies out there in california act like its all aboot health and the children.  then get rid of all the bad stuff maybe?  dont pick and choose.  its makes you look stupid.

mcd's is an easy target that caters to the tards who can follow the hate.

Last edited by 11 Bravo (2010-04-30 10:15:30)

2010-04-30 10:16:07
jord
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Bertster7 wrote:

jord wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:


You might doubt it, billions upon billions of dollars of advertising spend say different.

Kids predominantly want their fast food from chain outlets they have seen advertised. Burger King, KFC, McDonalds - all the same.
I agree they do want them from the big chains.

I can't remember an age I wanted to get Mcd's for dinner for the toy though. I can remember back until I was like 5 too...
Exactly. The toys are beside the point, they are just an illustration.

Children pick up on the flashier adverts and they want that stuff.

This then sets dietary trends - particularly in poor, less educated people.
Well I'm gonna have to disagree with that was well. McDonalds isn't particularly cheap, it's not just for poor morons. 89p for a small coke? I'll pass. KFC's Boneless Banquet is bordering on a fiver too.

I also don't equate being unintelligent with apathetic towards dieting.
2010-04-30 10:19:04
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,982|6918|949

11 Bravo wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

i said that on page one in my first response.

11 Bravo wrote:

god people are so stupid.  if restaurants had to post what was in their food it would make happy meals look like health food.  yay keep being sheep.  same thing about the KFC double down.  a jalapeno burger from chilis is like eating 3 double downs.  dont hear shit about chilis do ya?  nope.  fail sheep fail.
Your point is that people are stupid?  Chili's jalapeno burger is worse for you than a happy meal but Chili's doesn't include a toy, and they don't aggressively advertise to children using the toy as the main focus to sell their goods.  See the difference?
no.  you hippies out there in california act like its all aboot health and the children.  then get rid of all the bad stuff maybe?  dont pick and choose.  its makes you look stupid.

mcd's is an easy target that caters to the tards who can follow the hate.
restaurants will be fined up to $1,000 (£659) for every meal they are caught selling with a toy, should that meal be deemed unhealthy by federal standards.
Seems to me like they aren't targeting any specific chain.  From what the article says it seems if Chili's sold their Jalapeno burger with a toy, they'd be fined too.
2010-04-30 10:20:13
BLdw
..
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JohnG@lt wrote:

BLdw wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

The vast majority of marketing is completely ineffective. I'm sure they marketed their asses off to sell people 8-track tape players but it failed anyway. Same goes for things like Windows Vista. All the marketing in the world won't convince people to buy what they don't actually like.
Yes, and?
So your point fails.
My point fails? What is my point?
I said "yes, and?" because you didn't really answer my question. You answered to a question no one asked here.

JohnG@lt wrote:

The vast majority of marketing is completely ineffective. I'm sure they marketed their asses off to sell people 8-track tape players but it failed anyway. Same goes for things like Windows Vista. All the marketing in the world won't convince people to buy what they don't actually like.
Does is matter whether vast majority of marketing is completely ineffective or not, it still is a way of directing culture. Or no?

JohnG@lt wrote:

The hamburger culture already existed in America before McDonald's came along with their happy meals. All their marketing does is convince people to eat at their restaurant instead of their competitors, not whether people should or shouldn't eat the food in the first place.
The point of their marketing is to convince people (your words) to eat at their restaurant(s). This is a way to steer people to certain direction. Or do you think marketing is only focusing on what people might want to have now?

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2010-04-30 10:22:11
11 Bravo
Banned
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

i said that on page one in my first response.
Your point is that people are stupid?  Chili's jalapeno burger is worse for you than a happy meal but Chili's doesn't include a toy, and they don't aggressively advertise to children using the toy as the main focus to sell their goods.  See the difference?
no.  you hippies out there in california act like its all aboot health and the children.  then get rid of all the bad stuff maybe?  dont pick and choose.  its makes you look stupid.

mcd's is an easy target that caters to the tards who can follow the hate.
restaurants will be fined up to $1,000 (£659) for every meal they are caught selling with a toy, should that meal be deemed unhealthy by federal standards.
Seems to me like they aren't targeting any specific chain.  From what the article says it seems if Chili's sold their Jalapeno burger with a toy, they'd be fined too.
ok bold guy...fast food joints.  so its not about health, its about a toy?
2010-04-30 10:24:40
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
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11 Bravo wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

No it isn't.
yes...it is.
No it isn't.

Antibiotics are about all you'll find in it. (of course in the US where they use growth hormones, that may not be the case)

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2010-04-30 10:26:55
11 Bravo
Banned
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Bertster7 wrote:

(of course in the US where they use growth hormones, that may not be the case)
and we are talking aboot the US....like where the story is.
2010-04-30 10:27:11
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6867|SE London

jord wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

jord wrote:


I agree they do want them from the big chains.

I can't remember an age I wanted to get Mcd's for dinner for the toy though. I can remember back until I was like 5 too...
Exactly. The toys are beside the point, they are just an illustration.

Children pick up on the flashier adverts and they want that stuff.

This then sets dietary trends - particularly in poor, less educated people.
Well I'm gonna have to disagree with that was well. McDonalds isn't particularly cheap, it's not just for poor morons. 89p for a small coke? I'll pass. KFC's Boneless Banquet is bordering on a fiver too.

I also don't equate being unintelligent with apathetic towards dieting.
You might not - but the trends are clear to see.

Poorer, worse educated people have worse diets and eat far more fast food. That's not an opinion.
2010-04-30 10:30:09
jord
Member
+2,382|6964|The North, beyond the wall.

Bertster7 wrote:

jord wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:


Exactly. The toys are beside the point, they are just an illustration.

Children pick up on the flashier adverts and they want that stuff.

This then sets dietary trends - particularly in poor, less educated people.
Well I'm gonna have to disagree with that was well. McDonalds isn't particularly cheap, it's not just for poor morons. 89p for a small coke? I'll pass. KFC's Boneless Banquet is bordering on a fiver too.

I also don't equate being unintelligent with apathetic towards dieting.
You might not - but the trends are clear to see.

Poorer, worse educated people have worse diets and eat far more fast food. That's not an opinion.
I don't think intelligence relates to eating habits. Everyone knows shits bad for you, everyone knows the effect and everyone chooses to eat it regardless. It's quicker, easier, tastes nice and there's no washing up. If anything the modern day rush of having no time is a big player in why fast food chains are so successful.
2010-04-30 10:30:13
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

reopened for 'debate'
Are you a vegan? Was the sight of meat offensive to you?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2010-04-30 10:30:26
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6867|SE London

11 Bravo wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

(of course in the US where they use growth hormones, that may not be the case)
and we are talking aboot the US....like where the story is.
Well then you should have more stringent standards on these things.

We've been there, done that and now have very strict rules about these things.


In any case - it may be about the US, but it's in a British paper, in part attributing the change to someone British, Jamie Oliver.
2010-04-30 10:32:06
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6867|SE London

jord wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

jord wrote:


Well I'm gonna have to disagree with that was well. McDonalds isn't particularly cheap, it's not just for poor morons. 89p for a small coke? I'll pass. KFC's Boneless Banquet is bordering on a fiver too.

I also don't equate being unintelligent with apathetic towards dieting.
You might not - but the trends are clear to see.

Poorer, worse educated people have worse diets and eat far more fast food. That's not an opinion.
I don't think intelligence relates to eating habits. Everyone knows shits bad for you, everyone knows the effect and everyone chooses to eat it regardless. It's quicker, easier, tastes nice and there's no washing up. If anything the modern day rush of having no time is a big player in why fast food chains are so successful.
You might not think that. It doesn't change the fact that's the way it is.
2010-04-30 10:32:15
jord
Member
+2,382|6964|The North, beyond the wall.
The Jamie Oliver hype only came into effect in my last year of school but it certainly did make me healthier. Climbing over that 6 foot school fence to go to the takeaway worked wonders for my upper body...
2010-04-30 10:32:58
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5644|London, England

11 Bravo wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

i said that on page one in my first response.

11 Bravo wrote:

god people are so stupid.  if restaurants had to post what was in their food it would make happy meals look like health food.  yay keep being sheep.  same thing about the KFC double down.  a jalapeno burger from chilis is like eating 3 double downs.  dont hear shit about chilis do ya?  nope.  fail sheep fail.
Your point is that people are stupid?  Chili's jalapeno burger is worse for you than a happy meal but Chili's doesn't include a toy, and they don't aggressively advertise to children using the toy as the main focus to sell their goods.  See the difference?
no.  you hippies out there in california act like its all aboot health and the children.  then get rid of all the bad stuff maybe?  dont pick and choose.  its makes you look stupid.

mcd's is an easy target that caters to the tards who can follow the hate.
It's like picking on Wal Mart. Any store that sells things cheaply should be outlawed so that poor people can know the wonders of shopping at Crate & Barrel and Whole Foods instead.

It doesn't matter if they actually like shopping in those places, they're just uninformed and too stupid to know any better. We must make the decision for them.

Last edited by JohnG@lt (2010-04-30 10:34:18)

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2010-04-30 10:33:55
11 Bravo
Banned
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JohnG@lt wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

11 Bravo wrote:

i said that on page one in my first response.
Your point is that people are stupid?  Chili's jalapeno burger is worse for you than a happy meal but Chili's doesn't include a toy, and they don't aggressively advertise to children using the toy as the main focus to sell their goods.  See the difference?
no.  you hippies out there in california act like its all aboot health and the children.  then get rid of all the bad stuff maybe?  dont pick and choose.  its makes you look stupid.

mcd's is an easy target that caters to the tards who can follow the hate.
It's like picking on Wal Mart. Any store that sells things cheaply should be outlawed so that poor people can know the wonders of shopping at Crate & Barrel and Whole Foods instead.
yup.
2010-04-30 10:34:19
jord
Member
+2,382|6964|The North, beyond the wall.

Bertster7 wrote:

jord wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:


You might not - but the trends are clear to see.

Poorer, worse educated people have worse diets and eat far more fast food. That's not an opinion.
I don't think intelligence relates to eating habits. Everyone knows shits bad for you, everyone knows the effect and everyone chooses to eat it regardless. It's quicker, easier, tastes nice and there's no washing up. If anything the modern day rush of having no time is a big player in why fast food chains are so successful.
You might not think that. It doesn't change the fact that's the way it is.
There's truth to many stereotypes I admit. There's also plenty of exceptions.

IE me.
2010-04-30 10:37:36
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6867|SE London

jord wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

jord wrote:


I don't think intelligence relates to eating habits. Everyone knows shits bad for you, everyone knows the effect and everyone chooses to eat it regardless. It's quicker, easier, tastes nice and there's no washing up. If anything the modern day rush of having no time is a big player in why fast food chains are so successful.
You might not think that. It doesn't change the fact that's the way it is.
There's truth to many stereotypes I admit. There's also plenty of exceptions.

IE me.
Of course there are exceptions. There's no denying that. But the overall trends are quite clear.
2010-04-30 10:40:11
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5644|London, England

Bertster7 wrote:

jord wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:


You might not think that. It doesn't change the fact that's the way it is.
There's truth to many stereotypes I admit. There's also plenty of exceptions.

IE me.
Of course there are exceptions. There's no denying that. But the overall trends are quite clear.
I'm MENSA qualified and I quite enjoy eating at Taco Bell. Being more intelligent doesn't mean you eat better or even want to. I eat what I like and I don't care if it's healthy. Frankly, equating intelligence with life decisions is laughable. You aren't superior to anyone based on where you shop for food or clothing Berster.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2010-04-30 10:42:21
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
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Maccas is indeed targetted towards the lower socioeconomic end of society, but as just stated, has little to do with intelligence or lack thereof.
2010-04-30 10:44:39
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6867|SE London

JohnG@lt wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

jord wrote:


There's truth to many stereotypes I admit. There's also plenty of exceptions.

IE me.
Of course there are exceptions. There's no denying that. But the overall trends are quite clear.
I'm MENSA qualified and I quite enjoy eating at Taco Bell. Being more intelligent doesn't mean you eat better or even want to.


All people who begin sentences with "I'm MENSA...." are bellends.

There are clear and well documented trends that fast food is eaten predominantly by poorer, less educated people.

JohnG@lt wrote:

I eat what I like and I don't care if it's healthy. Frankly, equating intelligence with life decisions is laughable. You aren't superior to anyone based on where you shop for food or clothing Berster.
You might think it's laughable. Perhaps there is no causal relationship to these trends - but I find that notion laughable.
2010-04-30 10:44:55
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5644|London, England

Jaekus wrote:

Maccas is indeed targetted towards the lower socioeconomic end of society, but as just stated, has little to do with intelligence or lack thereof.
Maybe in your neck of the woods. Over here it doesn't discriminate. You're more likely to see someone in a suit and tie eating a quick lunch in one of their ads than you are to see poor people. I don't eat it often or regularly but I do enjoy a Big Mac from time to time.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
2010-04-30 10:45:59
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5644|London, England

Bertster7 wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:


Of course there are exceptions. There's no denying that. But the overall trends are quite clear.
I'm MENSA qualified and I quite enjoy eating at Taco Bell. Being more intelligent doesn't mean you eat better or even want to.


All people who begin sentences with "I'm MENSA...." are bellends.

There are clear and well documented trends that fast food is eaten predominantly by poorer, less educated people.

JohnG@lt wrote:

I eat what I like and I don't care if it's healthy. Frankly, equating intelligence with life decisions is laughable. You aren't superior to anyone based on where you shop for food or clothing Berster.
You might think it's laughable. Perhaps there is no causal relationship to these trends - but I find that notion laughable.
Thanks for calling me a penis. I'll take that as a sign you've conceded the argument. Thanks for playing.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

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