Marlo Stanfield
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A U.S. sailor testified Wednesday he saw a Navy SEAL punch an Iraqi prisoner suspected of masterminding the killings in 2004 of four U.S. private security contractors, as the court-martial of another member of the elite unit allegedly involved in the incident opened at a military base outside Baghdad.

Abed was arrested last September on charges of orchestrating the grisly killings of four Blackwater security contractors whose burned corpses were dragged through the Iraqi city of Fallujah west of Baghdad. Two of the guards' bodies were hung from a bridge over the Euphrates River in the insurgent attack.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art … gD9F7DQH80
Ahmed Hashim Abed, who is being held by Iraqi authorities pending trial, was brought in to the court wearing his yellow prison jumpsuit. He testified he was sitting in a chair with his hands bound behind him – a hood over his head – when he was hit from behind on the shoulder and back and fell to his knees and was then picked back up and struck in the stomach.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/2 … 45726.html
So do you think the Seals will be convicted?
ghettoperson
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He punched someone? Who the shit cares, it's not like anything serious would happen if you did that in the States.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6911|London, England
So do you think the Seals will be convicted?
not a chance

personally I don't really care about roughing up prisoners, even if they only killed some blackwater douchebags

what will happen though, is this sailor who testified will be vilified and made to feel like an enemy, he's on for a world of hurt, SEALS will be treated like heroes, same old stories
Benzin
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Why should the SEAL be on court martial? He's a SEAL. THAT IS WHAT HE DOES! HURT PEOPLE! I hope that sailor didn't really volunteer his testimony too freely. If so, discharge 'em.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6911|London, England

CapnNismo wrote:

THAT IS WHAT HE DOES! HURT PEOPLE!
you're right, the problem is, he got caught
Trotskygrad
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If he punched him once, this is bullshit. If he took him down and started kicking him, that's a different deal.
Benzin
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Trotskygrad wrote:

If he punched him once, this is bullshit. If he took him down and started kicking him, that's a different deal.
Sounds like he got hit twice.
Commie Killer
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Trotskygrad wrote:

If he punched him once, this is bullshit. If he took him down and started kicking him, that's a different deal.
No its not, they are special forces. Information on their missions is usually very time sensitive, and there is a good chance the SEAL knew at least one of the contractors. Now if they everyday line troops begin starting investigations by knocking a couple teeth out, that's a problem.
Trotskygrad
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pssh, I've got hit 1/5 as hard for doing something 1/1000 as bad (yeah I bit my lip pretty damn hard, it didn't heal for 1.5 weeks) , and I think I deserved it. This IS bullshit.
13rin
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Outrage.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
unnamednewbie13
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Meh court-martial is meh.

I suppose we'd better start training our SEALs against violence.
13rin
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+977|6770
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
mikkel
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+383|6892

CapnNismo wrote:

Why should the SEAL be on court martial? He's a SEAL. THAT IS WHAT HE DOES! HURT PEOPLE! I hope that sailor didn't really volunteer his testimony too freely. If so, discharge 'em.
So you're saying he and people like him should have carte blanche to hurt anyone for any reason?
-Sh1fty-
plundering yee booty
+510|5764|Ventura, California
HOLY SHI-

A guy who is paid to KILL people, is being put on trial for punching somebody!

Oh no! The poor Iraqi prisoner who only planned the killing of 4 men and had their bodies burned and dragged around the streets, this man should be treated like a nice human being.
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
mikkel
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-Sh1fty- wrote:

HOLY SHI-

A guy who is paid to KILL people, is being put on trial for punching somebody!

Oh no! The poor Iraqi prisoner who only planned the killing of 4 men and had their bodies burned and dragged around the streets, this man should be treated like a nice human being.
Police officers are paid to perform duties that include the use lethal force if necessary. If that's all the reasoning you need to agree with physical violence towards prisoners, then I'm sure that if you were suspected of a crime, you wouldn't mind if the nice officer roughed you up a little.

Right?
Dilbert_X
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So why didn't they waterboard this guy until he confessed?
Fuck Israel
RTHKI
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mikkel wrote:

-Sh1fty- wrote:

HOLY SHI-

A guy who is paid to KILL people, is being put on trial for punching somebody!

Oh no! The poor Iraqi prisoner who only planned the killing of 4 men and had their bodies burned and dragged around the streets, this man should be treated like a nice human being.
Police officers are paid to perform duties that include the use lethal force if necessary. If that's all the reasoning you need to agree with physical violence towards prisoners, then I'm sure that if you were suspected of a crime, you wouldn't mind if the nice officer roughed you up a little.

Right?
A major point in SEAL training is...killing. It is less so for police officers, no? And it's not like he was just any criminal suspect, he was (possibly?) involved in the killing of 4 people
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eleven bravo
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so this guy I know who went to iraq told me about this one time they caught a bunch of insurgents red handed planting ied's on the side of the road. killed 2, captured 2 and 2 got away.  as soon as the guys that were captured gave up, his buddy then beat one of them with the buttstock of his rifle.  when they came back to the FOB and turned in the detainees, one of the American interrogators asked him how his face got all busted up and bloody and the insurgent pointed directly to the friend of the guy telling me this story.  Because he was whooped on after he gave up, the task force commander on base made the command decision to release him back home.
Tu Stultus Es
-Sh1fty-
plundering yee booty
+510|5764|Ventura, California
People are getting mugged in alleys and robbed, while cops do everything they can to protect them, it's not enough.

Now this guy on the other side of the world gives somebody a little punch to the gut and the soldier gets court-marshaled?! If the guy had defended himself the SEAL could have killed him during the capture, but NOOOOO don't punch the poor man.

Holy fucking shit, the US military is handicapped by retards of this level.
And above your tomb, the stars will belong to us.
mikkel
Member
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RTHKI wrote:

mikkel wrote:

-Sh1fty- wrote:

HOLY SHI-

A guy who is paid to KILL people, is being put on trial for punching somebody!

Oh no! The poor Iraqi prisoner who only planned the killing of 4 men and had their bodies burned and dragged around the streets, this man should be treated like a nice human being.
Police officers are paid to perform duties that include the use lethal force if necessary. If that's all the reasoning you need to agree with physical violence towards prisoners, then I'm sure that if you were suspected of a crime, you wouldn't mind if the nice officer roughed you up a little.

Right?
A major point in SEAL training is...killing. It is less so for police officers, no? And it's not like he was just any criminal suspect, he was (possibly?) involved in the killing of 4 people
I don't understand your argument. Are you saying that the more your training is focused on killing, the more you're allowed to harm prisoners? Are you also saying that the worse the crime of which you're suspected, the more eligible you are for beatings?
Ghandi767
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They're not on trial for hitting the prisoner. They're on trial for impeding an investigation and misleading investigators.
eleven bravo
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the army has tiers of how it decides to prosecute a soldier under UCMJ

article 15s and court martials

article 15's are broken down into three categories

summary article 15 which would usually just mean internal corrective training, internal extra duty and restriction that wouldnt last for more than a week

company grade article 15 is more severe than summary and would require company level corrective training and extra duty for two weeks

field grade article 15's are the max punishment for the article 15.  they are at battalion level and the maximum punishment is 45 days of extra duty, 45 days restriction and 2/3's of a months pay reduced. 


now when you get to the court martial level which is higher than article 15's you also see tiered levels of punishment.

summarized court martial is when you are judged by a single field grade officer, no jury, no trial and the officer is just a random guy in the brigade thats chosen to decide the case.  the maximum punishment is 30 days of confinement or less and 2/3 pay reduced for 45 days.  You could get a summary court martial and still have a stellar career as an NCO. 


special court marshall is more severe than a summarized one.  this one requires a trial in class a uniform.  the defendant has the option of being tried by a panel of judges or a jury of soldiers.  whats funny is you are able too see the list of who the possible judges and jurors are, with the lowest rank being an e-7.  maximum confinement is 1 year or less.  you well get discharged after youre done with your confinement. 

special court martial with bad conduct discharge is like the special court martial except you are facing a bad conduct discharge. 

and general court martial is the big one, thats the one where you could face life imprisonment or death

but I dont know how the navy does things
Tu Stultus Es
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
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Yeah, I think part of it is the fact that we're supposed to be "better than them" and that includes treating our prisoners fairly, no matter how much they deserve a railroad spike in the face.

It's an infuriating but necessary facet of our way of life.
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Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6911|London, England

eleven bravo wrote:

so this guy I know who went to iraq told me about this one time they caught a bunch of insurgents red handed planting ied's on the side of the road. killed 2, captured 2 and 2 got away.  as soon as the guys that were captured gave up, his buddy then beat one of them with the buttstock of his rifle.  when they came back to the FOB and turned in the detainees, one of the American interrogators asked him how his face got all busted up and bloody and the insurgent pointed directly to the friend of the guy telling me this story.  Because he was whooped on after he gave up, the task force commander on base made the command decision to release him back home.
he fell off the back of the truck

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