KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,979|6871|949

Just wondering what everyone thinks about the oil/gas issue in the U.S.  Here are some links to start off:

http://www.euro2day.gr/articlesfna/13373867/

http://www.wtov9.com/automotive/9042645/detail.html
Naughty_Om
Im Ron Burgundy?
+355|6872|USA
just got my license.. sux balls. but i use my bike most of the time...

LETS GET THAT E-85 ROLLING!
Erkut.hv
Member
+124|6974|California
How about the 8.4 billion dollar profit Exxon posted today? Gotta love price gouging.
Naughty_Om
Im Ron Burgundy?
+355|6872|USA
gotta love HALIBURTON... kaniving bastards.
Erkut.hv
Member
+124|6974|California
This ins't just a cheney issue there cowboy. personally, I blame whitey all around.
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|6975|Salt Lake City

Unfortunately the price issues just aren't in the US.  With India, and especially China, becoming far more industrialized, they are creating massive demand for oil.  When demand is high and supplies are low or limited, prices go up.  Let's not forget that unrest in the Middle East has a tendency to do this as well, such as the recent rangling with Iran over their nuclear program.

Also realize that there hasn't been a new oil refinery built in the US for ~15 years.  As such we lack refining capacity and must import much of our gasoline already refined, which adds cost to the final product at the pumps.
Darth_Fleder
Mod from the Church of the Painful Truth
+533|7046|Orlando, FL - Age 43

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Unfortunately the price issues just aren't in the US.  With India, and especially China, becoming far more industrialized, they are creating massive demand for oil.  When demand is high and supplies are low or limited, prices go up.  Let's not forget that unrest in the Middle East has a tendency to do this as well, such as the recent rangling with Iran over their nuclear program.

Also realize that there hasn't been a new oil refinery built in the US for ~15 years.  As such we lack refining capacity and must import much of our gasoline already refined, which adds cost to the final product at the pumps.
QFE
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,979|6871|949

I know its not just in the U.S., but I wanted the topic to be US in general, not other countries.
Naughty_Om
Im Ron Burgundy?
+355|6872|USA
its 50 cents a gallon in IRAN...
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|6975|Salt Lake City

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

I know its not just in the U.S., but I wanted the topic to be US in general, not other countries.
But you can't separate the rising gas prices in the US from international situations that affect world oil prices.

As for the actual pricing here in the US, I would say we have been lucky for a long time.  Our prices have been cheap compared to other places in the world.  I think it is because of this that we have constantly seen larger, more powerful vehicles, with poor gas mileage, roll out of auto manufacturers for the US market.  The time has come that we are going to have to change our thinking about that, not only from an economic standpoint, but a political one as well.

In my opinion we need to remove any tax incentives from oil companies that aren't associated with building additional refining capacity and researching alternative fuel sources; this would also require the Feds to put a leash on the hard core environmentalists.  Don't get me wrong, I think use/harvesting of resources needs to be done responsibly, and we can't just allow pollution to rum rampant, but we can't just shut down all resource production and use.

We also need to increase gas guzzler taxes, and offer incentives to auto makers for increasing their mileage and expanding their lines of hybrid and E85 vehicles.  The tax incentives also need to be passed along to the buyers of these vehicles; more than they are now.  For diesel we need to expand bi-diesel.  Right now we have excess farming capacity, and even pay farmers to keep land out of production to artificially keep prices up.  We could remove these farm subsidies and have farmers start groing crops to be used for the production of bi-diesel and ethanol for E85 vehicles.
Cougar
Banned
+1,962|7004|Dallas
Gas prices are BULLSHIT!

I'm glad I live 4 blocks away from work.
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,979|6871|949

I agree international relations affects global gas prices, but I don't want to hear how unrest in the Mid-East affects gas prices....thats common knowledge, no?  I want to hear what we can do as a country to stop the demand of oil HERE (basically how we can wean ourselves off of oil).  Basically, I don't want this to turn into an international relations class, but a discussion of practical ways we as a nation can get off the oil.  For instance, the ideas you offer in your second and third paragraphs in the post above.  Keep going all.
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|6886
Bicycles FTW!
Naughty_Om
Im Ron Burgundy?
+355|6872|USA
Feet FTW!
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|6975|Salt Lake City

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

I know its not just in the U.S., but I wanted the topic to be US in general, not other countries.
Edited for duplicate posting.

Last edited by Agent_Dung_Bomb (2006-04-27 15:48:21)

Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|6975|Salt Lake City

Another thing we need to do is offer more high occupancy lanes.  If you carpool, you get the advantage of dealing with less traffic.  They could also offer reduced fees at toll roads for hybrid or alternative fuel vehicles.
elite
Member
+89|6953|Sheffield, England
british prices are TWICE as much as the usa, so dot moan, we are the ones gettin all the bullshit
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6914|Canberra, AUS
I have an outlandish, amazing idea.

What if we had robots working at our offices and stuff - and we controlled them from home using virtual reality machines.

It's possible - they've made a steel cage which you can run in and your actually running through the video game!

I said it was outlandish.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
UON
Junglist Massive
+223|6893

Spark wrote:

I have an outlandish, amazing idea.

What if we had robots working at our offices and stuff - and we controlled them from home using virtual reality machines.

It's possible - they've made a steel cage which you can run in and your actually running through the video game!

I said it was outlandish.
Hmm, might be simpler for everyone work from home via the internet, which would pretty much eliminate the need for commuting.  But it'll put all the catering staff, cleaners, security and office goods suppliers out of business.
Naughty_Om
Im Ron Burgundy?
+355|6872|USA
id rather wait for the day terminator comes and saves my life.
Rygar
Canucklehead
+69|6885|Nova Scotia
I do get a kick out of the major oil companies posting record profits, and how they crank gas prices on 'fears of...', 'concern for...', or 'speculation of...'.  Way to f#%* the working man!
l::.:LIAM:.::l
Member
+139|6912|Blue Mountains, NSW, Australia
in australia or unleaded is 1.40 australian dollars and in US petrol is 1 Aus dollars
IN AUS WE'RE GETTING RIPPED OFF
Boogeyman81
BOO!!!
+26|6873|Newcastle NSW Australia
$1.45 a litre in Newcastle at the moment just cost me $80 to fill my car up and i still had a 1/4 tank left before i filled up
Stumanbmx
S!l3nt But D3adly
+86|6843|Pickle Village
wow that sux balls

+1 to help your suffering
THA
im a fucking .....well not now
+609|7010|AUS, Canberra
its up to about 1.35 here in cnaberra, and i cant even ride my motorbike as it only gets 150kms to 20 bucks fuel

stupid v twin malaka

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