Well, athletes have to work hard to get to where they're at. It's not like they don't do anything. Kobe Bryant works out/practices at least 8 hours a day. Determination and passion like that is respectable.
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Should teachers enjoy tenure?
| Yes | 35% | 35% - 6 | ||||
| No | 64% | 64% - 11 | ||||
| Total: 17 | ||||||
Still comes down to Kobe Bryant only getting paid the money he does because people like watching basketball for entertainment. If people didn't like basketball and didn't buy jerseys, hats, attend games or watch on tv, he wouldn't have a job. It's not a knock on the fans by any means. They're certainly free to find whatever joy they can in this lifetime. It's just asinine for people to make comments about how much money they make when they themselves spend a large chunk of their money on entertainment. Whether it's a movie star, novelist, professional athlete, or, as lowing stated, professional media whore, those jobs only exist because there is a market for the product they sell. Good luck convincing people to stop 'wasting' their money on entertainment.Yellowman03 wrote:
Well, athletes have to work hard to get to where they're at. It's not like they don't do anything. Kobe Bryant works out/practices at least 8 hours a day. Determination and passion like that is respectable.
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I don't think so. I think they should be evaluated just like everyone else against goals and objectives.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
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― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Going a little against the crowd here, but I'm going to vote yes on this one, under certain conditions. Teachers should enjoy tenure, but only as long as they don't abuse it once it's obtained by easing up on their work ethic. The trick is to get teachers unions to agree to such measure.
Like career senators are?FEOS wrote:
I don't think so. I think they should be evaluated just like everyone else against goals and objectives.
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Yeah too bad it is for shooting baskets and not directed toward curing cancer or something. You are failing to understand what I am saying. WE made Kobe Bryant. WE are the ones that put him where he is, not him. There are plenty of people that work harder than he does doing things infinitely more important than working on free throws.Yellowman03 wrote:
Well, athletes have to work hard to get to where they're at. It's not like they don't do anything. Kobe Bryant works out/practices at least 8 hours a day. Determination and passion like that is respectable.
I use you as an example, you speak of Kobe Bryant and how hard he works, yet say nothing of a oncologist who although is probably wealthy, makes a fraction of what Kobe makes and we don't even know their names.
Maybe you're just not informed enough to know the names of influential oncologists.lowing wrote:
Yeah too bad it is for shooting baskets and not directed toward curing cancer or something. You are failing to understand what I am saying. WE made Kobe Bryant. WE are the ones that put him where he is, not him. There are plenty of people that work harder than he does doing things infinitely more important than working on free throws.Yellowman03 wrote:
Well, athletes have to work hard to get to where they're at. It's not like they don't do anything. Kobe Bryant works out/practices at least 8 hours a day. Determination and passion like that is respectable.
I use you as an example, you speak of Kobe Bryant and how hard he works, yet say nothing of a oncologist who although is probably wealthy, makes a fraction of what Kobe makes and we don't even know their names.
Vetoed & slammed the party for how it was passed to begin with. OOOhhh there's some pissed off people around here -kinda comical.Kmarion wrote:
I also think so. He's been talking with a lot of teachers and the impression I am getting is most of them are against it.DBBrinson1 wrote:
But, I'm thinking he'll veto it -I have been wrong about this governor before though....
My next prediction is that Crist will dump the R's and will run as an Independant in the Senate race.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
One would argue that elections are referendums on them.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Like career senators are?
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
I think the career span and pay makes teacher on par with Athletes.
Sure teachers make between 60-100 k a year and most work summer jobs that add and addition 15k but over there careers they're make the equivalent of a decent ball players pay. Obviously the better players make more, but then you also have deans and higher ups in the school system who make more.
Ball player makes lets say 1.1 mill a year + 250,000 signing bonus but only plays for 5 years.
teachers make 50k for 30 years.. So it's probably about the same overall.
Sure teachers make between 60-100 k a year and most work summer jobs that add and addition 15k but over there careers they're make the equivalent of a decent ball players pay. Obviously the better players make more, but then you also have deans and higher ups in the school system who make more.
Ball player makes lets say 1.1 mill a year + 250,000 signing bonus but only plays for 5 years.
teachers make 50k for 30 years.. So it's probably about the same overall.
Good luck beating their political machine with a silly election.DBBrinson1 wrote:
One would argue that elections are referendums on them.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Like career senators are?
95% of incumbents get reelected
Tu Stultus Es
Fuck tenure and fuck seniority.
Term limits... that's what we need...unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Good luck beating their political machine with a silly election.DBBrinson1 wrote:
One would argue that elections are referendums on them.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Like career senators are?
Great in theory, but there are certain long term projects implemented that get f'ed up by the new guy. Freshmen make easy marks for veteran lobbyists. Not to mention lots of institutional knowledge is lost and shit doesn't get done. Good legislation dies with the bad. There is a certain level of 'finesse' it takes to really accomplish your goals (representing your constituents). I've seen words change votes. I won't disagree with you completely though. For a few, somewhere along the line the idea of representation gets lost and the person flips. They now represent their own ideals and know whats best for their constituents. They've stopped listening. Time to go? The people speak.Turquoise wrote:
Fuck tenure and fuck seniority.Term limits... that's what we need...unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Good luck beating their political machine with a silly election.DBBrinson1 wrote:
One would argue that elections are referendums on them.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Well, here's the problem. You want to know where most of the pork comes from? The people leading the Appropriations Committee.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Great in theory, but there are certain long term projects implemented that get f'ed up by the new guy. Freshmen make easy marks for veteran lobbyists. Not to mention lots of institutional knowledge is lost and shit doesn't get done. Good legislation dies with the bad. There is a certain level of 'finesse' it takes to really accomplish your goals (representing your constituents). I've seen words change votes. I won't disagree with you completely though. For a few, somewhere along the line the idea of representation gets lost and the person flips. They now represent their own ideals and know whats best for their constituents. They've stopped listening. Time to go? The people speak.Turquoise wrote:
Fuck tenure and fuck seniority.Term limits... that's what we need...unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Good luck beating their political machine with a silly election.
The Chairman and Vice Chairman of this committee are typically the Senators with the most pork being pushed, or they represent the states with the most pork being received (per capita).
Robert Byrd was the king of pork when he chaired.
Ted Stevens was when he did.
Now, Daniel Inouye is the Chairman, and Todd Cochran is the Vice Chairman. Cochran created the most pork last year of any Senator, and Hawaii (Inouye's state) received the most pork per capita.
If we really want change in government, we need to reform the archaic rules governing appropriations.
Or... even better... just outlaw all riders on bills.
Term limits are still a good thing IMHO though.
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Excellent point. But Senators (and other elected officials) can be voted out at the end of their term through the "evaluation process" of elections.unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Going a little against the crowd here, but I'm going to vote yes on this one, under certain conditions. Teachers should enjoy tenure, but only as long as they don't abuse it once it's obtained by easing up on their work ethic. The trick is to get teachers unions to agree to such measure.Like career senators are?FEOS wrote:
I don't think so. I think they should be evaluated just like everyone else against goals and objectives.
This would be the best law created in decades.Turq wrote:
just outlaw all riders on bills.
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“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular