Ioan92
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Shahter wrote:

how can you all be so blind, people?! it's a set up! it's exceedingly obvious that the faulty plane, the tree which that plane struck and the fog were all specifically manufactured and set in place by former kgb under personal command of vladimir putin - all in order to get rid of democartically elected president of the sovereign state of poland.
Why would Putin shoot himself in the leg..

Spoiler (highlight to read):
Я саркастически

Seriously tho, if they found out or made out the fact that Russia was involved you can kiss mankind goodbye.

Poland accuses Russia, NATO declares war to Russia, WW3 starts...

eleven bravo
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screen doors. submarines
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FatherTed
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Ioan92 wrote:

Shahter wrote:

how can you all be so blind, people?! it's a set up! it's exceedingly obvious that the faulty plane, the tree which that plane struck and the fog were all specifically manufactured and set in place by former kgb under personal command of vladimir putin - all in order to get rid of democartically elected president of the sovereign state of poland.
Why would Putin shoot himself in the leg..

Spoiler (highlight to read):
Я саркастически

Seriously tho, if they found out or made out the fact that Russia was involved you can kiss mankind goodbye.

Poland accuses Russia, NATO declares war to Russia, WW3 starts...

Yeah...no
Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6668|North Carolina

mikkel wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

mikkel wrote:


Wait, 'shitty scarebus'? Doesn't the A320 series of aircraft have a vastly better safety record than their 737 series Boeing competitor? Aren't you also all about Lufthansa, an airline with a predominately Airbus manufactured fleet?
Airbus really is a phenomenally corrupt company.
Absolutely. As is the competition. That couldn't possibly account for the vastly better safety record of the A320, though.
Boeing doesn't look so bad to me.

http://www.airdisaster.com/statistics/
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6668|North Carolina

ruisleipa wrote:

HaiBai wrote:

sad day for us polaks 

RIP
you're american?
Polish-American, perhaps?
Ioan92
Member
+337|5985

FatherTed wrote:

Ioan92 wrote:

Shahter wrote:

how can you all be so blind, people?! it's a set up! it's exceedingly obvious that the faulty plane, the tree which that plane struck and the fog were all specifically manufactured and set in place by former kgb under personal command of vladimir putin - all in order to get rid of democartically elected president of the sovereign state of poland.
Why would Putin shoot himself in the leg..

Spoiler (highlight to read):
Я саркастически

Seriously tho, if they found out or made out the fact that Russia was involved you can kiss mankind goodbye.

Poland accuses Russia, NATO declares war to Russia, WW3 starts...

Yeah...no
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
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eleven bravo wrote:

screen doors. submarines
Rocket to the sun once, at night.
mikkel
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+383|6864

Turquoise wrote:

mikkel wrote:

Turquoise wrote:


Airbus really is a phenomenally corrupt company.
Absolutely. As is the competition. That couldn't possibly account for the vastly better safety record of the A320, though.
Boeing doesn't look so bad to me.

http://www.airdisaster.com/statistics/
Those statistics seem awfully unspecific. There are several generations of aircraft carrying the 737 name, and the number of "events" listed on the site is significantly smaller than the number of incidents listed by other sources.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6884|London, England
Some BBC blog said there's speculation amongst the aviation community that the Polish president pressurised the pilot to land, dunno how something like that would be found to be true or false, unless it's on the black box or some shit
jsnipy
...
+3,277|6785|...

Mekstizzle wrote:

Some BBC blog said there's ... some shit
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6884|London, England
Well it wasn't just that, looking through Google news links and such alot of websites are talking about how the Polish president/delegation could have pressurised the pilot, they even give examples of how it happened in 2008 during the Georgian war but how that time the pilot told the president to fuck off for his own safety and instead landed in a nearby country.

I wouldn't be surprised if the pilots were pressurised to land there. There were alot of important people on that plane and they probably didn't want to be delayed in any way
cl4u53w1t2
Salon-Bolschewist
+269|6736|Kakanien

Mekstizzle wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised if the pilots were pressurised to land there. There were alot of important people on that plane and they probably didn't want to be delayed in any way
DefCon-17
Maple Syrup Faggot
+362|6419|Vancouver | Canada

FatherTed wrote:

DefCon-17 wrote:

Just read about this...That's horrible.

R.I.P.

How are they going to deal with this government-wise?
Speaking to some polish people i know, apparently rather well. lots of elections to come, but everyone has a rough plan of what to do, so they're working through it.
Hmm..that's good.

Shahter wrote:

and suddenly everybody's an expert in planes and wrecks.

/facepalm
It's the internet. We're all experts on everything.
Trotskygrad
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Does this remind anyone of Pakistan's similar incident?

wikipedia:
"August 17, 1988 : Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq, President of Pakistan from 1978, was killed when the C-130B he was on (PAF 23494, ex-USAF 62-3494, c/n 3708) crashed shortly after take off from Bahawalpur. All on board were killed, including the US ambassador to Pakistan, a US general and 17 top ranking Pakistan Army personnel. Two of the scheduled passengers who did not board the aircraft later reached the highest rank in Pakistan Army, chiefly because most of their seniors died in this incident. One of them was General Pervez Musharraf, president of Pakistan from 2001 to 2008. Although many people do not consider this an accident, neither Pakistan nor the US government properly investigated the incident and made the findings public. Some researchers claim that there was a bomb hidden in the mango crates which were loaded on the plane without proper clearance. Eyewitnesses claim that the aircraft exploded in the air. Such claims were declared false by the government and the remains of the aircraft were swiftly disposed of."
eleven bravo
Member
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or this one

The plane took off at around 12:55 AM Central Time. Just after 1:00 AM Central Time, Mr. Hubert Dwyer, a commercial pilot and owner of the ill-fated Bonanza, observing from a platform outside the tower, "saw the tail light of the aircraft gradually descend until out of sight".

Peterson had told Dwyer he would file a flight plan with Air Traffic Control by radio after departure. When he did not call, the Air Traffic Control communicator, at Dwyer's request, repeatedly tried to reach him but failed. [7]

By 3:30 AM, when Hector Airport in Fargo had not heard from Peterson, Dwyer contacted authorities and reported the aircraft missing.

Around 9:15 AM, Dwyer took off in another small plane to fly Peterson's intended route. A short time later, he spotted the wreckage in a cornfield belonging to Albert Juhl, about five miles (8 km) northwest of the airport (43°13′12″N 93°23′0″W / 43.22°N 93.383333°W / 43.22; -93.383333Coordinates: 43°13′12″N 93°23′0″W / 43.22°N 93.383333°W / 43.22; -93.383333).

Surf Ballroom manager Carroll Anderson, who drove the performers to the airport and witnessed the plane's takeoff, made positive identifications of the performers.

The Bonanza was at a slight downward angle and banked to the right when it struck the ground at around 170 miles per hour (270 km/h). The plane tumbled and skidded another 570 feet (170 m) across the frozen landscape before the crumpled ball of wreckage piled against a wire fence at the edge of Juhl's property. The bodies of Holly and Valens lay near the plane, Richardson was thrown over the fence and into the cornfield of Juhl's neighbor Oscar Moffett, and Peterson remained trapped inside. [7]

All four had died instantly from "gross trauma" to the brain, the county coroner Ralph Smiley declared. Holly's death certificate detailed the multiple injuries which show that he surely died on impact:

The body of Charles H. Holley was clothed in an outer jacket of yellow leather-like material in which four seams in the back were split almost full length. The skull was split medially in the forehead and this extended into the vertex region. Approximately half the brain tissue was absent. There was bleeding from both ears, and the face showed multiple lacerations. The consistency of the chest was soft due to extensive crushing injury to the bony structure.[...] Both thighs and legs showed multiple fractures.[8]

Investigators concluded that the crash was due to a combination of poor weather conditions and pilot error. Peterson, working on his Instrument Rating, was still taking flight instrumentation tests and was not yet rated for flight into weather that would have required operation of the aircraft solely by reference to his instruments rather than by means of his own vision. The final Civil Aeronautics Board report noted that Peterson had taken his instrument training on airplanes equipped with an artificial horizon attitude indicator and not the far-less-common Sperry Attitude Gyro on the Bonanza. Critically, the two instruments display the aircraft pitch attitude in the exact opposite manner; therefore, the board thought that this could have caused Peterson to think he was ascending when he was in fact descending. They also found that Peterson was not given adequate warnings about the weather conditions of his route, which, given his known limitations, might have caused him to postpone the flight
Tu Stultus Es
Ioan92
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Don't compare a trainee who didn't have an IFR license to Poland's top pilots.

Last edited by Ioan92 (2010-04-12 10:57:55)

ghettoperson
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Ioan92 wrote:

Don't compare a trainee who didn't have an IFR license to Poland's top pilots.
Chill out Pilot Inspektor, we don't need your FSX interpretations of the situation. Leave that to the people who can actually fly.
Trotskygrad
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eleven bravo wrote:

or this one

The plane took off at around 12:55 AM Central Time. Just after 1:00 AM Central Time, Mr. Hubert Dwyer, a commercial pilot and owner of the ill-fated Bonanza, observing from a platform outside the tower, "saw the tail light of the aircraft gradually descend until out of sight".


And so on...
I'm talking more about political impact rather than the nature of the crash.

The Pakistani Crash killed the President of Pakistan at the time as well 17 Pakistani Army officers, similar how to the Polish crash killed the President of Poland and his top officers.

Also, the Pakistani crash happened AFTER Pakistan started providing arms and support to the Afghani Mujihadeen in their war against the Soviets, KGB involvement is suspected in the crash.

So the Poland suspecting Russia situation isn't that far fetched.
west-phoenix-az
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Trotskygrad wrote:

I'm talking more about political impact
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Last edited by west-phoenix-az (2010-04-12 11:54:41)

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Ioan92
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ghettoperson wrote:

Ioan92 wrote:

Don't compare a trainee who didn't have an IFR license to Poland's top pilots.
Chill out Pilot Inspektor, we don't need your FSX interpretations of the situation. Leave that to the people who can actually fly.
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11 Bravo
Banned
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ghettoperson wrote:

Ioan92 wrote:

Don't compare a trainee who didn't have an IFR license to Poland's top pilots.
Chill out Pilot Inspektor, we don't need your FSX interpretations of the situation. Leave that to the people who can actually fly.
i can fly.  i can haz cheezburger also.
Trotskygrad
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west-phoenix-az wrote:

Trotskygrad wrote:

I'm talking more about political impact
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p123 … /doh-1.png
what?

Also, after reading the entire thread, I realized just how much my post supports Ioan's conspiracy theory.

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