BF2S Forums Unbelievable Massacre

ruisleipa wrote:

disrespect? purleaaze.

Irony is ironic.

I think you fail to see the fact that the people you are arguing with don't feel remorse for the civilians killed.  It was an accident, a terrible accident.  It doesn't mean the pilots are 100% at fault. 

What are the chances that people walking around a totally deserted street carrying weapons near an American convoy going to be "bodyguards" or innocent people just taking a stroll with their RPG's and AK47's in a "city", remember its not a warzone the Americans made it a warzone so its not really a warzone... right?  The fact that innocent unmarked photographers are with them is the fault of the photographers, hanging around armed men in Baghdad is a bad idea, i think thats been explained a million times already. 

I think they should have done something else when dealing with the van.  Although it was under RoE, I see where you guys are coming from, they were not openly armed and it looked as though they were there to help the wounded man and should not have been killed on the spot.  I don't have a solution for what should have happened, maybe fire warning shots, shoot out the engine, i dunno shooting them seemed like a poor moral choice.

Jeez this thread got a bit tetchy...

Dilbert_X wrote:

I guess this is the difference between the wild west mentality in the US and the rest of the world.
Police/soldiers are always in the right, if civilians get hurt too fucking bad.

We didn't have the Freedom of Information Act in the wild west. If we didn't care the Pentagon wouldn't have been compelled to release the video footage, photographs, and a complete report of the engagement. Just because I don't think your logic adds up in this situation it doesn't mean that Americans don't care about civilians. It's hard to take you serious when you make comments like that.

S3v3N wrote:

This thread was an abortion to start with.

Title's biased.

ruisleipa wrote:

lowing wrote:

I find the video of insurgents with RPG's and Ak-47s definitive. I call the fact the soliders correctly identified them and asked for permission to fire definitive. I call the fact that the soldiers had no idea (or way to know) that there was little kids in the unmarked car definitive. I also call your lack of acknowledgement of these facts definiitve.

I acknowledge these facts - that some people there had weapons, and there was no way of knowing if they were insurgents. That the pilots asked for permission and recieved it. And they shot at a car blatantly going to pick up wounded. And that the pilots laughed at the dead bodies. All these I acknowledge...it doesn't make it right, does it?

And you still haven't explained why shotting at a car picking up wounded is acceptable. Would you also find it acceptable if someone attacked a US ambulance going to pick up wounded marines?

And you also haven't said anything about the relationship of RoE vis-a-vis the actual morality of the actions.

If they had weapons they were the enemy plain and simple. When was the last time you saw a law abiding citizen walking around with an RPG?

The shot at a car, not at an ambulance. Big difference that was explained in KM's article. I accept the pilots frame of mind. It is war, you must detach yourself from normalcy to see your mission through. Or is it your wish that soldiers should feel guilty and murderous for the tasks we set or them?

If you are looking for morality in a war zone you are completely lost from the realms of reality. War as a last resort goes against all society holds as moral and normal. IT s precisely why it is the last resort.

Roe's are established for that very reason, to govern what soldiers do. So they do not get it in their heads that they are god like and can  do whatever they feel. There are laws for our soldiers to follow. It is a way of establishing morality and normalcy in an immoral and chaotic situation.


It is your attitude that war should never be fought. It is unrealistic. Wars have ended slavery, genicide, opression etc... Sometimes like it or not wars must be fought, and they must be fought to win.

Kmarion wrote:

Pug wrote:

rus:
disrespect has to do with posting shit one-sided logic on a daily basis.  i think you do it with glee and purposeful.  otherwise you'd actually see that I never said I liked the result, and you wouldn't bait me into an argument by being insulting.  outrage?  yeah, i'm pissed they shot up the van.  but being pissed and understanding WHY are completely different.

But we have a vet on this forum that says they are legitimate targets.  Argue with him, since we both don't know what the roe are.

in the meantime, troll away

"it is not a marked ambulance, nor is such a vehicle on the "Protected Collateral Objects" listed in the Rules of Engagement.".. They were legit targets.

This was found on the dead journalist camera.
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/8634 … humvee.jpg
^That is what the insurgents were targeting with their RPG's/AK's

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/9726 … qiak47.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/i5bpdj.jpg

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/833/savegunsmall.jpg

The death of the journalist is tragic. However, they embedded themselves amongst a threat to Americans troops. They put themselves in the line of fire. It's a risk they voluntarily take. There is nothing unbelievable here.

Good post Kmar

Kmarion wrote:

Pug wrote:

rus:
disrespect has to do with posting shit one-sided logic on a daily basis.  i think you do it with glee and purposeful.  otherwise you'd actually see that I never said I liked the result, and you wouldn't bait me into an argument by being insulting.  outrage?  yeah, i'm pissed they shot up the van.  but being pissed and understanding WHY are completely different.

But we have a vet on this forum that says they are legitimate targets.  Argue with him, since we both don't know what the roe are.

in the meantime, troll away

"it is not a marked ambulance, nor is such a vehicle on the "Protected Collateral Objects" listed in the Rules of Engagement.".. They were legit targets.

This was found on the dead journalist camera.
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/8634 … humvee.jpg
^That is what the insurgents were targeting with their RPG's/AK's

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/9726 … qiak47.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/i5bpdj.jpg

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/833/savegunsmall.jpg

The death of the journalist is tragic. However, they embedded themselves amongst a threat to Americans troops. They put themselves in the line of fire. It's a risk they voluntarily take. There is nothing unbelievable here.

DAMNIT KERRY STOP MAKING SENSE

ghettoperson wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

This was found on the dead journalist camera.
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/8634 … humvee.jpg
^That is what the insurgents were targeting with their RPG's/AK's

Looking at that photo I'm surprised he didn't get lit up by the Humvee.

probably saw the camera

Cybargs wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

what exactly is being debated here?

American soldiers are evil bastards sent by satan to kill innocent Iraqis.

And you're saying that all American soldiers are angels, and that any innocent Iraqi that gets killed is just a dumb Haji that got in the way, or a terrorist so it doesn't matter. Get over yourself, you people are as retarded as those who say dumb shit about soldiers being genocidal maniacs. The only reason I say this to you and not them is because more people are like you and there are less of them, and everyone is already telling them how they are anyway, and nobody is saying shit to you people, so I gotta do it.

Get over yourselves, stop crying about how soldiers are fucking treated whilst at the same time not giving a shit about innocent people dying, you're just making a complete dick of yourselves.

This whole thread is full of people who should get some 30 mike mike, don't say 30 mike mike as if you're a soldier. You're not. You don't get to say shit like that.

Last edited by Mekstizzle (2010-04-07 14:52:40)

It is extremely sad that the journalists got killed when they were with the insurgents.
The journalists take a huge risk mingling amongst the insurgents and coalition troops.
Here is a list of all the journalists killed in Iraq.
http://cpj.org/killed/mideast/iraq/

RIP to all of them and prayers to their families.


141 Journalists Killed in Iraq/Motive Confirmed
     Terminology explained

Orhan Hijran, Al-Rasheed
     October 21, 2009, in Kirkuk, Iraq
Alaa Abdel-Wahab, Al-Baghdadia TV
     May 31, 2009, in Mosul, Iraq
Suhaib Adnan, Al-Baghdadia TV
     March 10, 2009, in Abu Ghraib, Iraq
Haidar Hashim Suhail, Al-Baghdadia TV
     March 10, 2009, in Abu Ghraib, Iraq
Musab Mahmood al-Ezawi, Al-Sharqiya
     September 13, 2008, in Mosul, Iraq
Ahmed Salim, Al-Sharqiya
     September 13, 2008, in Mosul, Iraq
Ihab Mu'd, Al-Sharqiya
     September 13, 2008, in Mosul, Iraq
Soran Mama Hama, Livin
     July 21, 2008, in Kirkuk, Iraq
Mohieldin Al Naqeeb, Al-Iraqiya
     June 17, 2008, in north of Mosul, Iraq
Haidar al-Hussein, Al-Sharq
     May 22, 2008, in Buhrez, Iraq
Wissam Ali Ouda, Al-Afaq
     May 21, 2008, in Baghdad, Iraq
Sarwa Abdul-Wahab, freelance
     May 4, 2008, in Mosul, Iraq
Jassim al-Batat, Al-Nakhil TV and Radio
     April 25, 2008, in Al-Qurna, Iraq
Shihab al-Tamimi, Iraqi Journalists Syndicate
     February 27, 2008, in Baghdad, Iraq
Alaa Abdul-Karim al-Fartoosi, Al-Forat
     January 29, 2008, in Balad, Iraq
Shehab Mohammad al-Hiti, Baghdad al-Youm
     October 28, 2007, in Baghdad, Iraq
Salih Saif Aldin, The Washington Post
     October 14, 2007, in Baghdad, Iraq
Muhannad Ghanem Ahmad al-Obaidi, Dar al-Salam
     September 20, 2007, in Mosul, Iraq
Amer Malallah al-Rashidi, Al-Mosuliya
     September 3, 2007, in Mosul, Iraq
Adnan al-Safi, Al-Anwar
     July 27, 2007, in Baghdad, Iraq
Majeed Mohammed, Kirkuk al-Yawm and Hawal
     July 16, 2007, in Kirkuk, Iraq
Mustafa Gaimayani, Kirkuk al-Yawm and Hawal
     July 16, 2007, in Kirkuk, Iraq
Khalid W. Hassan, The New York Times
     July 13, 2007, in Baghdad, Iraq
Namir Noor-Eldeen, Reuters
     July 12, 2007, in Baghdad, Iraq
Sarmad Hamdi Shaker, Baghdad TV
     June 27, 2007, in Baghdad, Iraq
Hamid Abed Sarhan, freelance
     June 26, 2007, in Baghdad, Iraq
Filaih Wuday Mijthab, Al-Sabah
     June 17, 2007, in Baghdad, Iraq
Aref Ali Filaih, Aswat al-Iraq
     June 11, 2007, in Al-Khalis, Iraq
Sahar Hussein Ali al-Haydari, National Iraqi News Agency and Aswat al-Iraq
     June 7, 2007, in Mosul, Iraq
Mohammad Hilal Karji, Baghdad TV
     June 6, 2007, in Yusufiya, Iraq
Nazar Abdulwahid al-Radhi, Aswat al-Iraq and Radio Free Iraq
     May 30, 2007, in Al-Amarah, Iraq
Saif Laith Yousuf, ABC News
     May 17, 2007, in Baghdad, Iraq
Alaa Uldeen Aziz, ABC News
     May 17, 2007, in Baghdad, Iraq
Raad Mutashar, Al-Raad
     May 9, 2007, in an area outside Kirkuk, Iraq
Dmitry Chebotayev, freelance
     May 6, 2007, in Diyala, Iraq
Khaled Fayyad Obaid al-Hamdani, Nahrain
     April 12, 2007, in Abu Ghraib, Iraq
Othman al-Mashhadani, Al-Watan
     April 6, 2007, in Baghdad, Iraq
Khamail Khalaf , Radio Free Iraq
     April 5, 2007, in Baghdad, Iraq
Thaer Ahmad Jaber , Baghdad TV
     April 5, 2007, in Baghdad, Iraq
Hamid al-Duleimi, Nahrain
     March 17, 2007, in Baghdad, Iraq
Yussef Sabri, Biladi
     March 7, 2007, in Baghdad, Iraq
Mohan Hussein al-Dhahir, Al-Mashreq
     March 4, 2007, in Baghdad, Iraq
Jamal al-Zubaidi, As-Saffir and Al-Dustour
     February 24, 2007, in Baghdad, Iraq
Abdulrazak Hashim Ayal al-Khakani, Jumhuriyat al-Iraq
     February 5, 2007, in Baghdad, Iraq
Hussein al-Zubaidi, Al-Ahali
     January 28, 2007, in Baghdad, Iraq
Falah Khalaf al-Diyali, Al-Sa'a
     January 15, 2007, in Ramadi, Iraq
Ahmed Hadi Naji, Associated Press Television News
     January 5, 2007, in Baghdad, Iraq
Aswan Ahmed Lutfallah, APTN
     December 12, 2006, in Mosul, Iraq
Nabil Ibrahim al-Dulaimi, Radio Dijla
     December 4, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Luma al-Karkhi, Al-Dustour
     November 15, 2006, in Baqubah, Iraq
Muhammad al-Ban, Al-Sharqiya
     November 13, 2006, in Mosul, Iraq
Naqshin Hamma Rashid, Atyaf
     October 29, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Saed Mahdi Shlash, Rayat al-Arab
     October 26, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Hussein Ali, Al-Shaabiya
     October 12, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Ahmad Sha'ban, Al-Shaabiya
     October 12, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Thaker al-Shouwili, Al-Shaabiya
     October 12, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Noufel al-Shimari, Al-Shaabiya
     October 12, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Abdul-Rahim Nasrallah al-Shimari, Al-Shaabiya
     October 12, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Ahmed Riyadh al-Karbouli, Baghdad TV
     September 18, 2006, in Ramadi, Iraq
Safa Isma'il Enad, freelance
     September 13, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Abdel Karim al-Rubai, Al-Sabah
     September 9, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Mohammad Abbas Mohammad, Al-Bayinnah al-Jadida
     August 7, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Ismail Amin Ali, freelance
     August 7, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Riyad Muhammad Ali, Talafar al-Yawm
     July 30, 2006, in Mosul, Iraq
Adel Naji al-Mansouri , Al-Alam
     July 29, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Ibrahim Seneid, Al-Bashara
     June 13, 2006, in Fallujah, Iraq
Ali Jaafar, Al-Iraqiya
     May 31, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Paul Douglas, CBS
     May 29, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
James Brolan, CBS
     May 29, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Laith al-Dulaimi, Al-Nahrain
     May 8, 2006, in south of Baghdad, Iraq
So'oud Muzahim al-Shoumari, Al-Baghdadia
     April 4, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Kamal Manahi Anbar, freelance
     March 26, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Muhsin Khudhair, Alef Ba
     March 13, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Amjad Hameed, Al-Iraqiya
     March 11, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Munsuf Abdallah al-Khaldi, Baghdad TV
     March 7, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Atwar Bahjat, Al-Arabiya
     February 23, 2006, in Samarra, Iraq
Adnan Khairallah, Wasan Productions and Al-Arabiya
     February 23, 2006, in Samarra, Iraq
Khaled Mahmoud al-Falahi, Wasan Productions and Al-Arabiya
     February 23, 2006, in Samarra, Iraq
Mahmoud Za'al, Baghdad TV
     January 25, 2006, in Ramadi, Iraq
Ahmed Hussein Al-Maliki, Talafar al-Yawm
     November 7, 2005, in Mosul, Iraq
Mohammed Haroon, Al-Kadiya
     October 19, 2005, in Baghdad, Iraq
Firas Maadidi, As-Saffir and Al-Masar
     September 20, 2005, in Mosul, Iraq
Fakher Haider, The New York Times
     September 19, 2005, in Basra, Iraq
Hind Ismail, As-Saffir
     September 17, 2005, in Mosul, Iraq
Waleed Khaled, Reuters
     August 28, 2005, in Baghdad, Iraq
Rafed Mahmoud Said al-Anbagy, Diyala TV and Radio
     August 27, 2005, in Baaquba, Iraq
Steven Vincent, freelance
     August 3, 2005, in Basra, Iraq
Adnan al-Bayati, TG3
     July 23, 2005, in Baghdad, Iraq
Khaled al-Attar, Al-Iraqiya
     July 1, 2005, in Mosul, Iraq
Ahmed Wael Bakri, Al-Sharqiyah
     June 28, 2005, in Baghdad, Iraq
Maha Ibrahim, Baghdad TV
     June 25, 2005, in Baghdad, Iraq
Jerges Mahmood Mohamad Suleiman, Nineveh TV
     May 31, 2005, in Mosul, Iraq
Ahmed Adam, Al-Mada
     May 15, 2005, in Latifiyah, Iraq
Najem Abed Khudair, Al-Mada
     May 15, 2005, in Latifiyah, Iraq
Saleh Ibrahim, Associated Press Television News
     April 23, 2005, in Mosul, Iraq
Ahmed al-Rubai'i, Al-Sabah
     mid-April, 2005, in Baghdad, Iraq
Saman Abdullah Izzedine, Kirkuk TV
     April 15, 2005, in Kirkuk, Iraq
Fadhil Hazem Fadhil, Al-Hurriya
     April 14, 2005, in Baghdad, Iraq
Ali Ibrahim Issa, Al-Hurriya
     April 14, 2005, in Baghdad, Iraq
Ahmed Jabbar Hashim, Al-Sabah
     April 1, 2005, in Baghdad, Iraq
Hussam Sarsam, Kurdistan TV
     March 14, 2005, in Mosul, Iraq
Raeda Wazzan, Al-Iraqiya
     February 25, 2005, in Mosul, Iraq
Wadallah Sarhan, Akhbar al-Mosul
     November, 2004, in Mosul, Iraq
Dhia Najim, freelance
     November 1, 2004, in Ramadi, Iraq
Dina Mohammed Hassan, Al-Hurriya
     October 14, 2004, in 2004 Baghdad, Iraq
Karam Hussein, European Pressphoto Agency
     October 14, 2004, in Mosul, Iraq
Mazen al-Tumeizi, Al-Arabiya
     September 12, 2004, in Baghdad, Iraq
Enzo Baldoni, freelance
     August 26, 2004, in an area near Najaf, Iraq
Mahmoud Hamid Abbas, Zweites Deutsches Fernsehen
     August 15, 2004, in Fallujah, Iraq
Shinsuke Hashida, freelance
     May 27, 2004, in near Mahmoudiya, Iraq
Kotaro Ogawa, freelance
     May 27, 2004, in an area near Mahmoudiya , Iraq
Rashid Hamid Wali, Al-Jazeera
     May 21, 2004, in Karbala, Iraq
Waldemar Milewicz, TVP
     May 7, 2004, in Mahmoudiya, Iraq
Mounir Bouamrane, TVP
     May 7, 2004, in Mahmoudiya, Iraq
Asaad Kadhim, Al-Iraqiya TV
     April 19, 2004, in near Samara, Iraq
Burhan Mohamed Mazhour, ABC
     March 26, 2004, in Fallujah, Iraq
Ali al-Khatib, Al-Arabiya
     March 19, 2004, in Baghdad, Iraq
Ali Abdel Aziz, Al-Arabiya
     March 18, 2004, in Baghdad, Iraq
Nadia Nasrat, Iraq Media Network/Diyala TV
     March 18, 2004, in Baqouba, Iraq
Abdel Sattar Abdel Karim, Al Ta'akhy
     February 1, 2004, in Arbil, Iraq
Semko Karim Mohyideen, freelance
     February 1, 2004, in Arbil, Iraq
Gharib Mohamed Salih, Kurdistan TV
     February 1, 2004, in Arbil, Iraq
Ayoub Mohamed, Kurdistan TV
     February 1, 2004, in Arbil, Iraq
Haymin Mohamed Salih, Qulan TV
     February 1, 2004, in Arbil, Iraq
Safir Nader, Qulan TV
     February 1, 2004, in Arbil, Iraq
Duraid Isa Mohammed, CNN
     January 27, 2004, in the outskirts of Baghdad, Iraq
Ahmed Shawkat, Bilah Ittijah
     October 28, 2003, in Mosul, Iraq
Ahmad Kareem, Kurdistan TV
     August 25, 2003, in Mosul, Iraq
Mazen Dana, Reuters
     August 17, 2003, in outside Baghdad, Iraq
Jeremy Little, NBC News
     July 6, 2003, in Fallujah, Iraq
Richard Wild, freelance
     July 5, 2003, in Baghdad, Iraq
Taras Protsyuk, Reuters
     April 8, 2003, in Baghdad, Iraq
José Couso, Telecinco
     April 8, 2003, in Baghdad, Iraq
Tareq Ayyoub, Al-Jazeera
     April 8, 2003, in Baghdad, Iraq
Christian Liebig, Focus
     April 7, 2003, in outside Baghdad, Iraq
Julio Anguita Parrado, El Mundo
     April 7, 2003, in outside Baghdad, Iraq
Michael Kelly, Atlantic Monthly and The Washington Post
     April 3, 2003, in outside of Baghdad, Iraq
Kaveh Golestan, freelance
     April 2, 2003, in Kifri, Iraq
Paul Moran, freelance
     March 22, 2003, in Gerdigo, Iraq
Terry Lloyd, ITV News
     March 22, 2003, in near Al-Zubayr, Iraq
Lissy Schmidt, Agence France-Presse, Frankfurter Rundschau, Der Tagesspiegel
     April 3, 1994, in Sulaymaniyah, Iraq




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51 Media Workers Killed in Iraq
     Terminology explained

Qaydar Sulaiman, Al-Sharqiya
     September 13, 2008, in Mosul, Iraq
Alaa Aasi, Al-Forat
     January 29, 2008, in Balad, Iraq
Abdullah [full name unavailable], freelance
     October 22, 2007, in Baghdad, Iraq
Khaled Mohammad Nofan, Al-Watan
     October 14, 2007, in an area southwest of Kirkuk, Iraq
Jassem Mohammad Nofan, Al-Watan
     October 14, 2007, in an area southwest of Kirkuk, Iraq
Ziad Tarek al-Dibo, Al-Watan
     October 14, 2007, in southwest of Kirkuk, Iraq
Saeed Chmagh, Reuters
     July 12, 2007, in Baghdad, Iraq
Ali Watan Rozouk al-Hassani, Al-Samawah
     July 6, 2007, in Al-Samawah, Iraq
Imad Abdul-Razzaq al-Obaid, Al-Raad
     May 7, 2007, in an area outside Kirkuk, Iraq
Adel al-Badri, Radio Dijla
     May 3, 2007, in Baghdad, Iraq
Hussein Nizar, Baghdad TV
     April 6, 2007, in Baghdad , Iraq
Azhar Abdullah al-Maliki , Iraq Media Network
     February 7, 2007, in Baghdad, Iraq
Sabah Salman, Iraq Media Network
     February 7, 2007, in Baghdad, Iraq
Nabras Mohammed Hadi, Iraq Media Network
     February 7, 2007, in Baghdad, Iraq
Anis Qassem, Atyaf (Iraqi Media Network)
     October 29, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Ali Hlayel, Atyaf (Iraqi Media Network)
     October 13, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Maher, Al-Shaabiya
     October 12, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Sami Nasrallahal-Shimari , Al-Shaabiya
     October 12, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Unidentified, Al-Shaabiya
     October 12, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Hassan [full name unavailable], Al-Shaabiya
     October 12, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Ahmad [full name unavailable], Al-Shaabiya
     October 12, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Ali Jabber, Al-Shaabiya
     October 12, 2006, in Bahgdad, Iraq
Jassem Hamad Ibrahim, Al-Iraqiya
     October 4, 2006, in Mosul, Iraq
Unidentified, Al-Sabah
     August 27, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Muazaz Ahmed Barood, Al-Nahrain
     May 8, 2006, in between Baghdad and Mada'in, Iraq
Isma'il Muhammad Khalal, Al-Sabah
     May 7, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Anwar Turk, Al-Iraqiya
     March 11, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Mohammad Siddik, Voice of America
     February 17, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Allan Enwiyah, freelance
     January 7, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Ahlam Youssef, Al-Iraqiya
     September 21, 2005, in Mosul, Iraq
Laiq Ibrahim Nowruz al-Kakaie, Kurdistan TV
     March 10, 2005, in Kirkuk, Iraq
Unidentified, Al-Hurra
     February 25, 2005, in Iskandiriyah, Iraq
Ahmed Jassem, Nineveh Television
     October 7, 2004, in Mosul, Iraq
Ismail Taher Mohsin, The Associated Press
     September 2, 2004, in Baghdad, Iraq
Unidentified , Freelance
     August 28, 2004, in in an area outside Baghdad, Iraq
Mahmood Daoud, Al-Sabah al-Jedid
     May 29, 2004, in Baghdad, Iraq
Samya Abdel Jabar, Al-Sabah al-Jedid
     May 29, 2004, in Baghdad, Iraq
Mohamed Najmedin, freelance
     May 27, 2004, in Mahmoudiyya, Iraq
Hussein Saleh, Al-Iraqiya TV
     April 19, 2004, in Near Samara, Iraq
Omar Kamal, Time
     March 26, 2004, in Baghdad, Iraq
Muhammad Ahmad Sarham, Iraq Media Network
     March 18, 2004, in Baqouba, Iraq
Najeed Rashid, Iraq Media Network
     March 18, 2004, in Baqouba, Iraq
Selwan Abdelghani Medhi al-Niem, Voice of America
     March 5, 2004, in Baghdad, Iraq
Yasser Khatab, CNN
     January 27, 2004, in Outside Baghdad, Iraq
Nabil Hussein, Al-Arabiya
     October 30, 2003, in Baghdad, Iraq
Alahin Hussein, Al-Arabiya
     October 30, 2003, in Baghdad, DubaiIraq
Ali Adnan, Al-Arabiya
     October 30, 2003, in Baghdad, Iraq
Ramziya Moushee, Al-Arabiya
     October 30, 2003, in Baghdad, Iraq
Hassan Alwan, Al-Arabiya
     October 30, 2003, in Baghdad, Iraq
Kamaran Abdurazaq Muhamed, BBC
     April 6, 2003, in an area near Mosul, Iraq
Hussein Othman, ITV News
     March 22, 2003, in Iman Anas, Iraq




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21 Journalists Killed in Iraq/Motive Unconfirmed
     Terminology explained

Dyar Abas Ahmed, Eye Iraq
     October 10, 2008, in Kirkuk, Iraq
Qassim Abdul Hussein al-Iqabi, Al-Muwatin
     March 13, 2008, in Baghdad, Iraq
Hisham Mijawet Hamdan, Young Journalists Association
     February 12, 2008, in Baghdad, Iraq
Ali Shafeya al-Moussawi,, Alive in Baghdad
     December 15, 2007, in Baghdad, Iraq
Jawad al-Daami, Al-Baghdadia
     September 23, 2007, in Baghdad, Iraq
Saif Fakhry, Associated Press Television News
     May 31, 2007, in Baghdad, Iraq
Mahmoud Hassib al-Qassab, Al-Hawadith
     May 28, 2007, in Kirkuk, Iraq
Abdul Rahman al-Issawi, National Iraqi News Agency
     May 28, 2007, in Amiriyat al-Fallujah, Iraq
Ali Khalil, Azzaman
     May 20, 2007, in Baghdad, Iraq
Hussein al-Jabouri, As-Saffir
     March 16, 2007, in Baghdad, Iraq
Yasin al-Dulaimi, Radio Al-Mustaqbal
     December 26, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Ahmad al-Rashid, Al-Sharqiya
     November 3, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Raed Qays, Sawt al-Iraq
     October 13, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Azad Muhammad Hussein, Radio Dar Al-Salam
     October 10, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Hadi Anawi al-Joubouri, freelance
     September 12, 2006, in Diyala, Iraq
Osama Qadir, freelance
     June 29, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Alaa Hassan, Inter Press Service
     June 28, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Abdel Majid al-Mehmedawi, freelance
     May 5, 2006, in Baghdad, Iraq
Abdul-Hussein Khazal, Al-Hurra
     February 9, 2005, in Basra, Iraq
Liqaa Abdul Razzak, Al-Sharqiya TV
     October 27, 2004, in Baghdad, Iraq
Sahar Saad Eddine al-Nuaimi , freelance
     June 1, 2004, in Kirkuk, Iraq

i miss iraq

Kmarion wrote:

Pug wrote:

rus:
disrespect has to do with posting shit one-sided logic on a daily basis.  i think you do it with glee and purposeful.  otherwise you'd actually see that I never said I liked the result, and you wouldn't bait me into an argument by being insulting.  outrage?  yeah, i'm pissed they shot up the van.  but being pissed and understanding WHY are completely different.

But we have a vet on this forum that says they are legitimate targets.  Argue with him, since we both don't know what the roe are.

in the meantime, troll away

"it is not a marked ambulance, nor is such a vehicle on the "Protected Collateral Objects" listed in the Rules of Engagement.".. They were legit targets.

This was found on the dead journalist camera.
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/8634 … humvee.jpg
^That is what the insurgents were targeting with their RPG's/AK's

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/9726 … qiak47.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/i5bpdj.jpg

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/833/savegunsmall.jpg

The death of the journalist is tragic. However, they embedded themselves amongst a threat to Americans troops. They put themselves in the line of fire. It's a risk they voluntarily take. There is nothing unbelievable here.

1st picture: In guncam footage at around 4:10 cameraman shows up on the corner. Although I watched carefully many times it is hard to match the position of cameraman and photo you have posted. Another possibility is he is zooming at full capacity. Also in the footage participants sound like nearest friendly element is far away from the targets. Where did you find the photo?

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 1#p3091871

This gif convinced me of the existence of RPG, but I still have suspects with AK.

Pilots recognized cameras as weapons. Bonus it seem to them like cameraman at the corner was engaging some friendlies. And I think thats why they hurried to shoot.  However second shooting on van was total cruelty.

Last edited by Ottomania (2010-04-08 01:36:56)