Just wait till you see what you gotta pay per month for this insurance.
I'm already laughing my ass off.
I'm already laughing my ass off.
care to explain how?Chou wrote:
Just wait till you see what you gotta pay per month for this insurance.
I'm already laughing my ass off.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
That's not the issue. Does the fact that one side behaved like little bitches make it OK for the other to behave like this? Absolutely not. In fact, the opposite is true. They were elected for "change" not "more of the same, but with the pedal down and damn the consequences".ruisleipa wrote:
LMAO cos the republicans have behaved completely properly, not at all like little bitches? lol right.FEOS wrote:
And it makes the Dems look like complete fags right now with the way they are behaving.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Eye of the beholderFEOS wrote:
That's not the issue. Does the fact that one side behaved like little bitches make it OK for the other to behave like this? Absolutely not. In fact, the opposite is true. They were elected for "change" not "more of the same, but with the pedal down and damn the consequences".ruisleipa wrote:
LMAO cos the republicans have behaved completely properly, not at all like little bitches? lol right.FEOS wrote:
And it makes the Dems look like complete fags right now with the way they are behaving.
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
Look at the behavior, not what they are trying to do legislatively. You can agree or disagree with their agenda, but look at their behavior as a separate issue objectively and you'll see what I'm talking about. The method they chose to use to pass this legislation, the "in your face" approach to the people who are protesting (those would be "the people"), comments regarding Constitutional limits on Congressional power...it's quite Orwellian in some cases.Varegg wrote:
Eye of the beholderFEOS wrote:
That's not the issue. Does the fact that one side behaved like little bitches make it OK for the other to behave like this? Absolutely not. In fact, the opposite is true. They were elected for "change" not "more of the same, but with the pedal down and damn the consequences".ruisleipa wrote:
LMAO cos the republicans have behaved completely properly, not at all like little bitches? lol right.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Compared with 'you're with us or you're against us', hardly.FEOS wrote:
The method they chose to use to pass this legislation, the "in your face" approach to the people who are protesting (those would be "the people"), comments regarding Constitutional limits on Congressional power...it's quite Orwellian in some cases.
But anyway, its the Obama, what do you expect?
Fuck Israel
Not really. Democrats -behaving like spoiled little bitches officially since Jan 5, 2009. Don't like that source? Google 'Fairness Rule pelosi'.Varegg wrote:
Eye of the beholderFEOS wrote:
That's not the issue. Does the fact that one side behaved like little bitches make it OK for the other to behave like this? Absolutely not. In fact, the opposite is true. They were elected for "change" not "more of the same, but with the pedal down and damn the consequences".ruisleipa wrote:
LMAO cos the republicans have behaved completely properly, not at all like little bitches? lol right.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
It goes both ways ... both dems and reps behaves like spoiled little children, both sides have lost their goal of making the US a better place for it's citizens ...FEOS wrote:
Look at the behavior, not what they are trying to do legislatively. You can agree or disagree with their agenda, but look at their behavior as a separate issue objectively and you'll see what I'm talking about. The method they chose to use to pass this legislation, the "in your face" approach to the people who are protesting (those would be "the people"), comments regarding Constitutional limits on Congressional power...it's quite Orwellian in some cases.Varegg wrote:
Eye of the beholderFEOS wrote:
That's not the issue. Does the fact that one side behaved like little bitches make it OK for the other to behave like this? Absolutely not. In fact, the opposite is true. They were elected for "change" not "more of the same, but with the pedal down and damn the consequences".
It's an ongoing spiral of distrust that plunges deeper and deeper into a political abyss ... who started it and why is beyond interesting when your population is suffering from the political standoff in congress ... your political parties is more about destroying the other ones political agenda than trying to reach a common ground ...
Your congress needs to remember the basic ideas of representing the people ...
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
They're removing 'caps' on lifetime benefits per plan. The caps were really generous before but the insurance companies now have to plan for higher costs overall now. Rates will rise.Spark wrote:
care to explain how?Chou wrote:
Just wait till you see what you gotta pay per month for this insurance.
I'm already laughing my ass off.
Insurance companies will be forced to take on all comers regardless of whether they have stage 3 cancer or not. Because one can not predict who ones customers will be... rates will rise.
The government is going to subsidize health insurance for the 'poor' (the definition of poor here is very, very large). Subsidies raise costs because companies know everyone has $2500 extra or so sitting in their pocket that can only be used for insurance. Rates will rise.
Because they are cutting Medicare funding, more senior citizens will stick with the insurance plans they had earlier in life. Because old people are unhealthy and will be sitting in the pool with the rest of us... rates will rise.
Noticing a pattern here? It's basic economics and the Democratic party just spent a year lying to the American public and telling them that they will lower the cost of health insurance. The system really wasn't broken. Now it is.
FYI, this system is essentially a carbon copy of the one implemented in the State of Massachusetts. Rates doubled there within five years of it's enactment.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Should have slipped in a 'Compulsory extreme sports for old people' amendment TBH.
Fuck Israel
So, isnt a federal mandate to purchase something from a private entity fascism?Cybargs wrote:
Sec. 501. Tax on individuals without acceptable health care coverage.Varegg wrote:
On what page is this mentioned?Cybargs wrote:
Good luck fining people who can't get health insurance.
Call it whatever you want, it's still a fine.
‘‘(a) TAX IMPOSED.—In the case of any individual
4 who does not meet the requirements of subsection (d) at
5 any time during the taxable year, there is hereby imposed
6 a tax equal to 2.5 percent of the excess of—
7 ‘‘(1) the taxpayer’s modified adjusted gross in8
come for the taxable year, over
9 ‘‘(2) the amount of gross income specified in
10 section 6012(a)(1) with respect to the taxpayer.
11 ‘‘(b) LIMITATIONS.—
12 ‘‘(1) TAX LIMITED TO AVERAGE PREMIUM.—
13 ‘‘(A) IN GENERAL.—The tax imposed
14 under subsection (a) with respect to any tax15
payer for any taxable year shall not exceed the
16 applicable national average premium for such
17 taxable year."
It forces people to buy health care. I hope the Supreme Court would throw this out.
ya....i guess our space program is the same as everyones. oh wait.......Varegg wrote:
it's hard to free oneself of making it close to impossible to think outside the box ...
do you even know what this is about? go feed your dingo.Pubic wrote:
Socialised health care is great. After a few years of it, you naysayers will start to agree.
Read the whole post ... I said most people not cherrypicking space scientists because they are clearly not most people ...11 Bravo wrote:
ya....i guess our space program is the same as everyones. oh wait.......Varegg wrote:
it's hard to free oneself of making it close to impossible to think outside the box ...
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
where you from? norway? your country build any commercial airplanes used all over the world? mass produce cars sold all over the world? nope. dont give me shit about thinking outside the box. you guys live in your little homogenized world yet preach to others about diversity and other shit. sit down.Varegg wrote:
Read the whole post ... I said most people not cherrypicking space scientists because they are clearly not most people ...11 Bravo wrote:
ya....i guess our space program is the same as everyones. oh wait.......Varegg wrote:
it's hard to free oneself of making it close to impossible to think outside the box ...
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Yes.SonderKommando wrote:
So, isnt a federal mandate to purchase something from a private entity fascism?Cybargs wrote:
Sec. 501. Tax on individuals without acceptable health care coverage.Varegg wrote:
On what page is this mentioned?
Call it whatever you want, it's still a fine.
‘‘(a) TAX IMPOSED.—In the case of any individual
4 who does not meet the requirements of subsection (d) at
5 any time during the taxable year, there is hereby imposed
6 a tax equal to 2.5 percent of the excess of—
7 ‘‘(1) the taxpayer’s modified adjusted gross in8
come for the taxable year, over
9 ‘‘(2) the amount of gross income specified in
10 section 6012(a)(1) with respect to the taxpayer.
11 ‘‘(b) LIMITATIONS.—
12 ‘‘(1) TAX LIMITED TO AVERAGE PREMIUM.—
13 ‘‘(A) IN GENERAL.—The tax imposed
14 under subsection (a) with respect to any tax15
payer for any taxable year shall not exceed the
16 applicable national average premium for such
17 taxable year."
It forces people to buy health care. I hope the Supreme Court would throw this out.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
What the fuck are you on about ... I also specifically said most people, not particularly in the US you dork, learn to read ffs ...11 Bravo wrote:
where you from? norway? your country build any commercial airplanes used all over the world? mass produce cars sold all over the world? nope. dont give me shit about thinking outside the box. you guys live in your little homogenized world yet preach to others about diversity and other shit. sit down.Varegg wrote:
Read the whole post ... I said most people not cherrypicking space scientists because they are clearly not most people ...11 Bravo wrote:
ya....i guess our space program is the same as everyones. oh wait.......
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
ya sure. im sure you meant most people all over the world and not the US. because that wouldnt be like you. oh, it would actually. meh..nvm.
11 Bravo wrote:
ya sure. im sure you meant most people all over the world and not the US. because that wouldnt be like you. oh, it would actually. meh..nvm.
Anything else?Varegg wrote:
Don't think so ... there is too much sociologic ethics and rethorics in the US for that to happen ... most people and not particularly in US is locked in a pattern of thinking it's hard to free oneself of making it close to impossible to think outside the box ...
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
Varegg wrote:
11 Bravo wrote:
ya sure. im sure you meant most people all over the world and not the US. because that wouldnt be like you. oh, it would actually. meh..nvm.Anything else?Varegg wrote:
Don't think so ... there is too much sociologic ethics and rethorics in the US for that to happen ... most people and not particularly in US is locked in a pattern of thinking it's hard to free oneself of making it close to impossible to think outside the box ...
FixedFEOS wrote:
That's not the issue. Does the fact that one side behaved like little bitches make it OK for the other to behave like this? Absolutely not. In fact, the opposite is true. They were elected for "change" not "more of the same, but with the pedal down and damn the consequences".ruisleipa wrote:
LMAO cos the republicans have behaved completely properly, not at all like little bitches? lol right.FEOS wrote:
And it makes the Dems Republicants look like complete fags right now with the way they are behaving.
Yup, the Republicant were up to their old tricks of scare tactics, doom and gloom predictions and inciting the mob... very shameful indeed.
One thing for sure at least the Dem "fags" are out in the open... unlike the GOP "fags"
IMO the 60 vote super majority in the senate is BS and its evil and "demon-cratic" ... but its supposed to be some sort of tradition so the Dems have already done alot to follow the parliamentary procedures.... If it were me I would have dumped that 60 vote crap.
As for the house action... well now its law and now if the GOP succeeds in stopping it they will be blamed for taking away health insurance reform... its actually pretty smart tactically.
BTW you should read some of the comments from David Frum... he's an conservative who basically has this one pegged... the only winners are the media commentary people and its their voice that's hijecked the GOP. And the GOP made a tactically error when bonehead Boehner and the group decided to follow scorched earth and to scuttle the bill as their only tactic.... that was a huge error. IMO What the GOP should have did was to tell Rush and Beck to STFU and then sit down in earnest and negotiate... that's what a majority of people wanted and that would have gotten a lot of the pork and back room deals out of the bill... then the GOP could have claimed a fiscal hawk victory... instead they went down with the ship along with Captain Bligh Beck and Captain Hook Rush....
With cutlass and gun,
O we fought for hours three;
Blow high! Blow low! And so sailed we.
The ship it was their "our" coffin
And their "our" grave it was the sea.
A sailing down all on
The coasts of High Barbary
Sea Shanty Song: The Coasts of High Barbary
Lesley Nelson-Burns with changes by yours truly
Folklore has it that the ship was carrying a load of tea that shifted to the starboard (the right side) and caused them to capsize
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Last year my insurance went from $106 a month with $1500 deductible to $234 a month with a $1500 deductible for no real reason. Go ahead, hit me with your best shot.Chou wrote:
Just wait till you see what you gotta pay per month for this insurance.
I'm already laughing my ass off.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Mussolini would be proud!JohnG@lt wrote:
Yes.SonderKommando wrote:
So, isnt a federal mandate to purchase something from a private entity fascism?Cybargs wrote:
Sec. 501. Tax on individuals without acceptable health care coverage.
Call it whatever you want, it's still a fine.
‘‘(a) TAX IMPOSED.—In the case of any individual
4 who does not meet the requirements of subsection (d) at
5 any time during the taxable year, there is hereby imposed
6 a tax equal to 2.5 percent of the excess of—
7 ‘‘(1) the taxpayer’s modified adjusted gross in8
come for the taxable year, over
9 ‘‘(2) the amount of gross income specified in
10 section 6012(a)(1) with respect to the taxpayer.
11 ‘‘(b) LIMITATIONS.—
12 ‘‘(1) TAX LIMITED TO AVERAGE PREMIUM.—
13 ‘‘(A) IN GENERAL.—The tax imposed
14 under subsection (a) with respect to any tax15
payer for any taxable year shall not exceed the
16 applicable national average premium for such
17 taxable year."
It forces people to buy health care. I hope the Supreme Court would throw this out.
A few things
1) Maybe I'm thinking overly simplistically... but the healthcare tax on a family with an income of $50,000 would be like $1,250. They can either choose to buy healthcare from an insurance company, or pay that tax and use Medicare (right?). So insurance companies will raise their premiums, but will have an incentive to keep from raising them too high
2) I read somewhere that if you use less 20% of your coverage in the year, you get refunded the other 80%... or something like that... can anyone confirm?
1) Maybe I'm thinking overly simplistically... but the healthcare tax on a family with an income of $50,000 would be like $1,250. They can either choose to buy healthcare from an insurance company, or pay that tax and use Medicare (right?). So insurance companies will raise their premiums, but will have an incentive to keep from raising them too high
2) I read somewhere that if you use less 20% of your coverage in the year, you get refunded the other 80%... or something like that... can anyone confirm?
1) Isn't medicare only for the elderly? As far as I know the 2.5% tax is more of a fine than anything else...Hurricane2k9 wrote:
A few things
1) Maybe I'm thinking overly simplistically... but the healthcare tax on a family with an income of $50,000 would be like $1,250. They can either choose to buy healthcare from an insurance company, or pay that tax and use Medicare (right?). So insurance companies will raise their premiums, but will have an incentive to keep from raising them too high
2) I read somewhere that if you use less 20% of your coverage in the year, you get refunded the other 80%... or something like that... can anyone confirm?
2) Ughh doing essay now but just ctrl f on the bill
