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lowing wrote:

ATG wrote:

Dude, the average worker isn't the problem.

Its people mooching tax dollars and calling themselves public servants.

It's private companies doing gov'ment work for prevailing wage ( costing the tax payer three times what it should ).



But, they do have you well trained. They have you trained to impune those who have paid into a system that need help.

Your failure is that you are not differentiating between career welfare ghetto queens and people who are in need because of the harvesting of wealth that is going on right now, I mean, the recession, I mean the carnage that was caused by hack politicians and SOULESS BANKERS who have fucked up the economy beyond the point where a person can fix it through hard work, like the past. They are all just moochers.



DUMB!

you forgot to add caused by people who took loans they could not afford and (probably knew it)

People who are in need of temp assistance have UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE. If you are on welfare, you probably haven't had a job for quite some time if at all.

Perhaps this strikes a nerve with me because again, my wife has been trying to see what kind of assistance we qualify for. Did people take loans they couldn't afford? probably. I bet there are more people though that could afford the loans before the economy crashed.

So, take me for example. In 2005 we topped one million in gross sales. Last year we barely did 300k.
It's not like anything changed on our end, we still have a great name brand, we still market a great product. Didn't stop anything. Blame me?
Okay.

What about the guy three doors down who two years ago had twenty men doing five trades working six days a week? He now has three guys covering all five trades and works about three days a week. How about my friends multi million per year plastics supply business? He closed his doors after going two months without an order. The point is, this is bigger than an individuals ability to contain.


So the wifey went in to social services office and found out that we qualified for up to $800.00 per month in cash, lowered utility bills, lower health care, food stamps and deferred state taxes. Guess what? 80% of the people there were non englishing speaking mexicans. They had special rooms where state verkers instructed these people in spanish how to fill out the forms.

So as I sit here resisting her I ask myself, why?
I have a corporation, I had state and federal taxes withheld. The roads are jacked, the police are worthless and the politicians vote themselves and their buddies pay raises that don't even reflect the cost of living. Hispanic activist assist those here to get phoney i.d.s and apply for benefits before they look for work. The get benefits even after they get work because they use bogus i.d..

I made the decision this morning, after reading the idiocy in this thread to stop resisting her because of pride and have her get all she can while she can. So I go in for fingerprints and financial classes in a week or so.

I will be leaving for another state shortly and she will be here on her own half of the month until I establish my business elsewhere and find a rental house. I ain't sitting here waiting for the tide to turn, I am being proactive and moving to a place that has a much better economy and need for what I do. Why should I not take advantage of any assistance I can as I have paid into the system for years, it is going broke, and our need is real?


The only reason I can think of is the stigma people like you attach to it. People who feed off the government teet, directly or indirectly.



And I still insist you are trolling because your position is devoid of logic and you clearly are trying to get a rise out of people.

ATG wrote:

lowing wrote:

ATG wrote:

Dude, the average worker isn't the problem.

Its people mooching tax dollars and calling themselves public servants.

It's private companies doing gov'ment work for prevailing wage ( costing the tax payer three times what it should ).



But, they do have you well trained. They have you trained to impune those who have paid into a system that need help.

Your failure is that you are not differentiating between career welfare ghetto queens and people who are in need because of the harvesting of wealth that is going on right now, I mean, the recession, I mean the carnage that was caused by hack politicians and SOULESS BANKERS who have fucked up the economy beyond the point where a person can fix it through hard work, like the past. They are all just moochers.



DUMB!

you forgot to add caused by people who took loans they could not afford and (probably knew it)

People who are in need of temp assistance have UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE. If you are on welfare, you probably haven't had a job for quite some time if at all.

Perhaps this strikes a nerve with me because again, my wife has been trying to see what kind of assistance we qualify for. Did people take loans they couldn't afford? probably. I bet there are more people though that could afford the loans before the economy crashed.

So, take me for example. In 2005 we topped one million in gross sales. Last year we barely did 300k.
It's not like anything changed on our end, we still have a great name brand, we still market a great product. Didn't stop anything. Blame me?
Okay.

What about the guy three doors down who two years ago had twenty men doing five trades working six days a week? He now has three guys covering all five trades and works about three days a week. How about my friends multi million per year plastics supply business? He closed his doors after going two months without an order. The point is, this is bigger than an individuals ability to contain.


So the wifey went in to social services office and found out that we qualified for up to $800.00 per month in cash, lowered utility bills, lower health care, food stamps and deferred state taxes. Guess what? 80% of the people there were non englishing speaking mexicans. They had special rooms where state verkers instructed these people in spanish how to fill out the forms.

So as I sit here resisting her I ask myself, why?
I have a corporation, I had state and federal taxes withheld. The roads are jacked, the police are worthless and the politicians vote themselves and their buddies pay raises that don't even reflect the cost of living. Hispanic activist assist those here to get phoney i.d.s and apply for benefits before they look for work. The get benefits even after they get work because they use bogus i.d..

I made the decision this morning, after reading the idiocy in this thread to stop resisting her because of pride and have her get all she can while she can. So I go in for fingerprints and financial classes in a week or so.

I will be leaving for another state shortly and she will be here on her own half of the month until I establish my business elsewhere and find a rental house. I ain't sitting here waiting for the tide to turn, I am being proactive and moving to a place that has a much better economy and need for what I do. Why should I not take advantage of any assistance I can as I have paid into the system for years, it is going broke, and our need is real?


The only reason I can think of is the stigma people like you attach to it. People who feed off the government teet, directly or indirectly.



And I still insist you are trolling because your position is devoid of logic and you clearly are trying to get a rise out of people.

Sorry for your troubles ATG. However, they are not MY troubles. I have my own problems. If you are looking for an argument against what you said about who is filling the state offices asking for handouts you will not get one from me. It is part of my problem with the entitled of our country.

Regardless as to how things are have worked out for you, that still does not justify me giving up what I have worked for to see you through. Contrary to popular belief, we are not in this together. You are supposed to solve your problems and I am supposed to solve mine. Don't remember a soul on this board offering donations to the save lowing fund when I separated from my wife and lived on my friends couch.

Again, you can spout off all you want about govt. workers, but they are just as much a tax payer as you are. If there is anything that does not make sense it is your assertion that govt. workers are not earning a living. That is nothing more than hate filled bullshit. but I suspect you know that.

back to the OP, it clearly says the benefit is there take it if you need it, just call it what it is.

there was a guy a few weeks ago who flew his plane into an IRS building. Everyone here dismissed him as a nut job. I found his exit rant disturbing clear and correct. the earners are getting fed up with the leeching. Period.

lowing wrote:

Don't remember a soul on this board offering donations to the save lowing fund when I separated from my wife and lived on my friends couch.

Ask Downey about how the board stepped up when his house burned down. You didn't ask. I ain't asking you for anything. You are trying to make me feel like a turd for taking back some of what I have paid in.

lowing wrote:

there was a guy a few weeks ago who flew his plane into an IRS building. Everyone here dismissed him as a nut job. I found his exit rant disturbing clear and correct.

everyone did?

perhaps you should read that thread again bub.

Burnzz and I will have the chance to hang out.


If you have paid into the system, take the assistance if you really need it without shame.

I am gambling everything on making a better situation. If I succeed I will never regret anything it took to get me out of California.

lowing wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

lowing wrote:

you mean there is only 1 job left in the world and 5 dozen people are going for it? Lets step into reality for a second

How about cross training? relocating? the fact that there is always more than one job left in the world.

I used a simple single scenario. I thought it would help you understand. Congrats on being absurdly literal.

the very real and immediate problem.

and I used an entire industry as an example.. THe solutions are there. Do not expect your next job to be right down the street, in the same industry, or for the same amount of money. But the jobs are there.

The reality of it all is anyone that refuses to be kept down will not be. It is as simple as that. Then you have those that would rather wait for your  precious "luck" to reveal itself.

Right. But finding work is still difficult and it takes longer, even with qualifications.

We're talking about food stamps right?

the very real and immediate problem.

ATG wrote:

lowing wrote:

Don't remember a soul on this board offering donations to the save lowing fund when I separated from my wife and lived on my friends couch.

Ask Downey about how the board stepped up when his house burned down. You didn't ask. I ain't asking you for anything. You are trying to make me feel like a turd for taking back some of what I have paid in.

lowing wrote:

there was a guy a few weeks ago who flew his plane into an IRS building. Everyone here dismissed him as a nut job. I found his exit rant disturbing clear and correct.

everyone did?

perhaps you should read that thread again bub.

Well hell, I want what paid in taxes back as well. What if we all took back what we paid in taxes? Where do I sign up?

Sorry, everyone that feels they have a right to someone elses income did. I stand corrected.

ATG wrote:

Sir, you are being thick.

It's not that I expect my tax money back for the sake of pete.

It is that you classify anyone receiving assistance as a mooch, which is absurd. You can't even separate the people who draw benefits as a way of life from those down on their luck, they are all just moochers.


Social security isn't an entitlement program, it is meant to be a account based on money they collect for you held in trust that the government manages for you. Unemployment isn't an entitlement program imo unless you are a scumnuts that does it as a way of life. 

They say ss is going broke. That makes me feel entitled to my money. I paid into it.

You said the taxes you pay cover that year, also dense. I paid state and city taxes for 26 years without ever receiving a check other than a tax refund.  Now you say I am a mooch, that the circumstances and my contributions don't mean shit.

Are you insane Lowing?

1. Down on their luck insinuates a temporary situation, as in ya just lost yer job and ya need help. Cue Unemployment Insurance. NOT WELFARE.

2. I paid into SS and yeah it is going to be gone taken by govt. for bullshit govt. entitlement programs. Stolen from me to redistribute. How about I keep my money and start my own "trust" fund? Yeah this pisses me off

3. I paid into it, if you get yours back, I will take mine back as well, gain where do we sign up.

4. Did you drive on the roads? Did you sleep at night? Sounds like, you got what the rest of us got. Again if you get your back, I will take mine back because I am equally deserving of my money as you say you are deserving of yours.

Last edited by lowing (2010-03-18 15:45:22)

lowing wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

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Guys it's not like people refuse to pay for things they need desperately to live.

How the fuck is lowing pro farm subsidy?

Because food is one of the basic necessities of life. We need it, it is hard work and not many are willing to do it for marginal if any profits. Farmers, even corporate farms, are still at the mercy of the weather. Conditions beyond their control. No I have no problem with doing whatever incentives it takes for America to eat. Sorry to disappoint.

The same argument could be made for healthcare, yet you don't support socializing that.

lowing wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

lowing wrote:

Because food is one of the basic necessities of life. We need it, it is hard work and not many are willing to do it for marginal if any profits. Farmers, even corporate farms, are still at the mercy of the weather. Conditions beyond their control. No I have no problem with doing whatever incentives it takes for America to eat. Sorry to disappoint.

The same argument could be made for healthcare, yet you don't support socializing that.

People can already go to a hospital and get "free" healthcare. No one is gunna be left to die.

If they can make it to the ER in time, yeah...   That's quite different from having ready access to it.

It still puzzles me why you think subsidizing companies that do very well for themselves in agribusiness is good.  Letting the market clear itself serves customers far better than corporate welfare does.

Kmarion wrote:

Phil Hendrie wrote:

America, did you know that even if you don't have health insurance, you can go to the hospital and they'll still treat you. You don't need health insurance, America! That's how good our system is!. But NOW, they want to Federalize the health care system so that when you get sick you can just go to a hospital and they'l...l treat you. Where are we going to get money for that, America?

lol

Pretty much...  we're kind of screwed either way, which is why I'm not exactly in favor of this bill.

lowing wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

lowing wrote:

People can already go to a hospital and get "free" healthcare. No one is gunna be left to die.

If they can make it to the ER in time, yeah...   That's quite different from having ready access to it.

It still puzzles me why you think subsidizing companies that do very well for themselves in agribusiness is good.  Letting the market clear itself serves customers far better than corporate welfare does.

corporations employ people. No different than a city's incentives to move a big corporation to their town, they bring jobs. Ma and Pa Kettle don't therefore no incentive by the city to open up their thrift shop. Wal Mart on the other hand will get huge incentives to open up in a community. It is advantageous all around. you know that.

There is nothing advantageous to subsidizing agriculture....  at least, nothing advantageous to the average citizen.  The only reason we continue to subsidize companies like ADM is because Congress members get kickbacks.

What you're talking about has nothing to do with the federal government subsidizing agriculture.  You're talking about local governments creating tax breaks and such.  That's quite different.

Perfect, watch this video; Dem congressmen.

Rep. Tom Perriello (D-VA) said, "if you don't tie our hands, we will keep stealing."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ … aling.html



So again, in a country that has become a cesspool of moral turpitude you are going to cast stones at everybody who gets welfare for whatever reason. It is not " if you can't beat them join them " it is ' I want my money back you crooks.

All the good roads in my area are tolls roads that were supposed to become public after a time but never did. 10 miles on the 91 at 5:39 runs a dollar a mile.








Also;

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Tax/1000 … d=10125860

Last edited by ATG (2010-03-18 17:42:39)

DrunkFace wrote:

lowing wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

The same argument could be made for healthcare, yet you don't support socializing that.

People can already go to a hospital and get "free" healthcare. No one is gunna be left to die.

It's a lot cheaper to keep people from getting sick or injured then it is to treat them after. As they say, prevention is better then a cure. Health care contains a lot more then just the ER and OR. Most notably GPs and medicine.

your health is YOUR business, it is not mine.