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2010-03-11 03:31:17

#176

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6942|USA

Spark wrote:
lowing wrote:
Spark wrote:
punishment should be proportional to the crime in this case as in all others.
I see, so someone breaks into my house and robs my big screen. So the only thing he should get in return is have his cable taken away? Sorry, he goes to jail, marked as a felon and is pretty much fucked long after he gets out.

You also can not believe this if you are against capital punishment because there is nothing proportional to fear of being killed and the eventual death of the victim as the fear of being killed and the eventual death of the murderer.
well, yeah, I don't really see any problem with that... not sure what you're getting at here?

and the problem, as has been stated, with capital punishment, is that in modern day society capital punishment is a hugely complex and expensive process because you have to be 150% certain that the guy did exactly what you say he did. I know you'll call for the streamlining of the process but that's a hypothetical what-if should-have, and unless we want to end up like China we have to work with what we have.

I see, so basically you feel there should be no punishment for home invasion, because really, you have not been harmed, you have just been robbed and you have insurance. Spark, I can't see myself carrying on with a discussion with you much longer.

No actually you have to be sure beyond a reasonable doubt, and like I said with DNA forensics, it appears that reasonable doubt is easier to achieve.

2010-03-11 03:32:51

#177

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6942|USA

TimmmmaaaaH wrote:
lowing wrote:
Spark wrote:
punishment should be proportional to the crime in this case as in all others.
I see, so someone breaks into my house and robs my big screen. So the only thing he should get in return is have his cable taken away?
How is that proportional at all?

Apparently in Sparks world, nothing really happened to you, except you lost a TV and the ability to watch it until your insurance has it replaced. You have not been harmed.

2010-03-11 03:36:22

#178

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6966|Canberra, AUS

lowing wrote:
TimmmmaaaaH wrote:
lowing wrote:

I see, so someone breaks into my house and robs my big screen. So the only thing he should get in return is have his cable taken away?
How is that proportional at all?
Apparently in Sparks world, nothing really happened to you, except you lost a TV and the ability to watch it until your insurance has it replaced. You have not been harmed.

where did you get that from?

you said he should go to jail as a felon and i basically agreed with you.

the problem is, you often take it further and say shoot him. yeah, no.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2010-03-11 03:42:30

#179

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6942|USA

Spark wrote:
lowing wrote:
TimmmmaaaaH wrote:
How is that proportional at all?
Apparently in Sparks world, nothing really happened to you, except you lost a TV and the ability to watch it until your insurance has it replaced. You have not been harmed.
where did you get that from?

you said he should go to jail as a felon and i basically agreed with you.

the problem is, you often take it further and say shoot him. yeah, no.

Lost in translation, I did not read you agreeing with me at all.

and yes if someone breaks into my home, do not expect me to hand over the keys. He will IN FACT, if opportunity allows, shoot at him in an effort to end his life.

Last edited by lowing (2010-03-11 03:56:22)

2010-03-11 03:42:39

#180

TimmmmaaaaH: Damn, I... had something for this; +725|6730|Brisbane, Australia

Stealing a TV = Stealing a TV

Posting nudes your ex-GF sent you cause you were mad =/= child pornography charges

Thats what spark meant by proportional. If you can see that there is a difference then this is pretty pointless.

Last edited by TimmmmaaaaH (2010-03-11 03:43:47)

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2010-03-11 03:48:05

#181

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6942|USA

TimmmmaaaaH wrote:
Stealing a TV = Stealing a TV

Posting nudes your ex-GF sent you cause you were mad =/= child pornography charges

Thats what spark meant by proportional. If you can see that there is a difference then this is pretty pointless.

Stealing a TV does not =stealing a tv in return

and posting nude pix of your ex without permission does not = posting nude pixs of your ex in return

2010-03-11 03:48:36

#182

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6966|Canberra, AUS

lowing wrote:
Spark wrote:
lowing wrote:

Apparently in Sparks world, nothing really happened to you, except you lost a TV and the ability to watch it until your insurance has it replaced. You have not been harmed.
where did you get that from?

you said he should go to jail as a felon and i basically agreed with you.

the problem is, you often take it further and say shoot him. yeah, no.
Lost in translation, I did not read you agreeing with me at all.

and yes if someone breaks into my home, do not expect me to hand over the keys. He will IN FACT, if opportunity allows, be shot at in an effort to end his life.

i can understand that... but don't expect me to agree that the death penalty should be imposed for breaking and entering. that's just silly.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2010-03-11 03:51:06

#183

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6942|USA

Spark wrote:
lowing wrote:
Spark wrote:

where did you get that from?

you said he should go to jail as a felon and i basically agreed with you.

the problem is, you often take it further and say shoot him. yeah, no.
Lost in translation, I did not read you agreeing with me at all.

and yes if someone breaks into my home, do not expect me to hand over the keys. He will IN FACT, if opportunity allows, be shot at in an effort to end his life.
i can understand that... but don't expect me to agree that the death penalty should be imposed for breaking and entering. that's just silly.

Never said that. However, I will attempt to kill him in his attempt to break into my home. I am also saying if he goes to jail for 12 years and becomes someones bitch, I couldn't care less. My point in the porno case.

2010-03-11 04:10:41

#184

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6966|Canberra, AUS

lowing wrote:
Spark wrote:
lowing wrote:
Lost in translation, I did not read you agreeing with me at all.

and yes if someone breaks into my home, do not expect me to hand over the keys. He will IN FACT, if opportunity allows, be shot at in an effort to end his life.
i can understand that... but don't expect me to agree that the death penalty should be imposed for breaking and entering. that's just silly.
Never said that.

cool. don't have a problem then.

However, I will attempt to kill him in his attempt to break into my home.

i'm fine with that too, as long as it's not cold-blooded murder... by all means take any reasonable means necessary to protect your home and property, though.

I am also saying if he goes to jail for 12 years and becomes someones bitch, I couldn't care less. My point in the porno case.

ah. well... i don't really care per se, but from a point of view of wanting to ensure the integrity of the justice system remains intact, i would prefer a much lighter punishment be levied in the case of the "porno" case, as it is a far less serious a crime. that's about all i have to say.

Last edited by Spark (2010-03-11 04:11:55)

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2010-03-11 04:15:39

#185

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6942|USA

Spark wrote:
lowing wrote:
Spark wrote:

i can understand that... but don't expect me to agree that the death penalty should be imposed for breaking and entering. that's just silly.
Never said that.
cool. don't have a problem then.
However, I will attempt to kill him in his attempt to break into my home.
i'm fine with that too, as long as it's not cold-blooded murder... by all means take any reasonable means necessary to protect your home and property, though.
I am also saying if he goes to jail for 12 years and becomes someones bitch, I couldn't care less. My point in the porno case.
ah. well... i don't really care per se, but from a point of view of wanting to ensure the integrity of the justice system remains intact, i would prefer a much lighter punishment be levied in the case of the "porno" case, as it is a far less serious a crime. that's about all i have to say.

and as I said, I don't care about the asshole in the porn case. If he went to serve community service for a weekend picking up trash along the sides of the streets as his punishment, and was run over. I don't care. WHatever happens to him, or not, fuck him. He is not worth the concern.

2010-03-11 04:20:49

#186

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6966|Canberra, AUS

lowing wrote:
Spark wrote:
lowing wrote:

Never said that.
cool. don't have a problem then.
However, I will attempt to kill him in his attempt to break into my home.
i'm fine with that too, as long as it's not cold-blooded murder... by all means take any reasonable means necessary to protect your home and property, though.
I am also saying if he goes to jail for 12 years and becomes someones bitch, I couldn't care less. My point in the porno case.
ah. well... i don't really care per se, but from a point of view of wanting to ensure the integrity of the justice system remains intact, i would prefer a much lighter punishment be levied in the case of the "porno" case, as it is a far less serious a crime. that's about all i have to say.
and as I said, I don't care about the asshole in the porn case. If he went to serve community service for a weekend picking up trash along the sides of the streets as his punishment, and was run over. I don't care. WHatever happens to him, or not, fuck him. He is not worth the concern.

I don't think the concern is about him personally more so that he is a test case for the integrity of our justice system. A fault here could indicate a fault everywhere.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2010-03-11 04:27:29

#187

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6942|USA

Spark wrote:
lowing wrote:
Spark wrote:
lowing wrote:
Never said that.
cool. don't have a problem then.
i'm fine with that too, as long as it's not cold-blooded murder... by all means take any reasonable means necessary to protect your home and property, though.
ah. well... i don't really care per se, but from a point of view of wanting to ensure the integrity of the justice system remains intact, i would prefer a much lighter punishment be levied in the case of the "porno" case, as it is a far less serious a crime. that's about all i have to say.
and as I said, I don't care about the asshole in the porn case. If he went to serve community service for a weekend picking up trash along the sides of the streets as his punishment, and was run over. I don't care. WHatever happens to him, or not, fuck him. He is not worth the concern.
I don't think the concern is about him personally more so that he is a test case for the integrity of our justice system. A fault here could indicate a fault everywhere.

Still do not care, people on this forum make light of what he did because most of the children on here are probably guilty of the same shit he did.

Problem is he had no right to violate another persons privacy like that, he does not care that he did it and was offered a chance to correct it. He refused.

Now, in any other court case remorse, regret, apologies plays a big part in sentencing. I see no reason why this one should be any different.

Last edited by lowing (2010-03-11 04:33:54)

2010-03-11 05:06:53

#188

LostFate: Same shit, Different Arsehole; +95|6776|England

lowing wrote:
He is an asshole, what my indifference infers is my lack of caring what happens to him.

He is 17 and you want to lock him up and throw away the key for this?

lowing wrote:
I am the ARSEHOLE

at least we agree on something!

Last edited by LostFate (2010-03-11 05:08:11)

2010-03-11 05:15:40

#189

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6942|USA

LostFate wrote:
lowing wrote:
He is an asshole, what my indifference infers is my lack of caring what happens to him.
He is 17 and you want to lock him up and throw away the key for this?

lowing wrote:
I am the ARSEHOLE
at least we agree on something!

It appears you post just to say anything. Get back with me when you have something worth reading to add.

2010-03-11 05:19:24

#190

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6966|Canberra, AUS

i think most of you have misconstrued lowing on this one. he's not saying lock him up or whatever, he's saying he's not worth our sympathies.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2010-03-11 05:36:00

#191

LostFate: Same shit, Different Arsehole; +95|6776|England

lowing wrote:
LostFate wrote:
lowing wrote:
He is an asshole, what my indifference infers is my lack of caring what happens to him.
He is 17 and you want to lock him up and throw away the key for this?

lowing wrote:
I am the ARSEHOLE
at least we agree on something!
It appears you post just to say anything. Get back with me when you have something worth reading to add.

lowing wrote:
Can't wait until it happens to your daughter.

Right back at you !

- First of all this lad is only 17 and should not be tried as an Adult.
- secondly this girl is 16 and she is sending naked pictures of herself to men, she had it comming.
- and last but not least it was SHE who sent the pictures so if he's going down for it then damn she should to.

As you would say, let that bitch rott , i don't want her anywhere nere my children.

2010-03-11 05:36:06

#192

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6942|USA

Spark wrote:
i think most of you have misconstrued lowing on this one. he's not saying lock him up or whatever, he's saying he's not worth our sympathies.

.....and to think it only took a 2X4 to get that point across.

2010-03-11 05:39:36

#193

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6942|USA

LostFate wrote:
lowing wrote:
LostFate wrote:
lowing wrote:
He is an asshole, what my indifference infers is my lack of caring what happens to him.
He is 17 and you want to lock him up and throw away the key for this?

at least we agree on something!
It appears you post just to say anything. Get back with me when you have something worth reading to add.
lowing wrote:
Can't wait until it happens to your daughter.
Right back at you !

- First of all this lad is only 17 and should not be tried as an Adult.
- secondly this girl is 16 and she is sending naked pictures of herself to men, she had it comming.
- and last but not least it was SHE who sent the pictures so if he's going down for it then damn she should to.

As you would say, let that bitch rott , i don't want her anywhere nere my children.

what you quoted was a fragment of a larger point. nice try.

17 year olds are tried as adults. Or do you think a 17 year old murderer should not be responsible for their actions
she is 16 she sent pix to one man not men. She had it coming? Who are you t odecide that?
Her pix to send NOT his.

2010-03-11 05:45:52

#194

LostFate: Same shit, Different Arsehole; +95|6776|England

lowing wrote:
LostFate wrote:
lowing wrote:

It appears you post just to say anything. Get back with me when you have something worth reading to add.
lowing wrote:
Can't wait until it happens to your daughter.
Right back at you !

- First of all this lad is only 17 and should not be tried as an Adult.
- secondly this girl is 16 and she is sending naked pictures of herself to men, she had it comming.
- and last but not least it was SHE who sent the pictures so if he's going down for it then damn she should to.

As you would say, let that bitch rott , i don't want her anywhere nere my children.
what you quoted was a fragment of a larger point. nice try.

17 year olds are tried as adults. Or do you think a 17 year old murderer should not be responsible for their actions
she is 16 she sent pix to one man not men. She had it coming? Who are you t odecide that?
Her pix to send NOT his.

Well actually once she sent them to him, they were HIS pics thanks for comming.

2010-03-11 05:53:05

#195

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6942|USA

LostFate wrote:
lowing wrote:
LostFate wrote:
lowing wrote:
It appears you post just to say anything. Get back with me when you have something worth reading to add.
Right back at you !

- First of all this lad is only 17 and should not be tried as an Adult.
- secondly this girl is 16 and she is sending naked pictures of herself to men, she had it comming.
- and last but not least it was SHE who sent the pictures so if he's going down for it then damn she should to.

As you would say, let that bitch rott , i don't want her anywhere nere my children.
what you quoted was a fragment of a larger point. nice try.

17 year olds are tried as adults. Or do you think a 17 year old murderer should not be responsible for their actions
she is 16 she sent pix to one man not men. She had it coming? Who are you t odecide that?
Her pix to send NOT his.
Well actually once she sent them to him, they were HIS pics thanks for comming.

Something a court will decide. Any bets on the outcome of that argument?

2010-03-11 05:53:59

#196

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6966|Canberra, AUS

LostFate wrote:
lowing wrote:
LostFate wrote:
lowing wrote:
It appears you post just to say anything. Get back with me when you have something worth reading to add.
Right back at you !

- First of all this lad is only 17 and should not be tried as an Adult.
- secondly this girl is 16 and she is sending naked pictures of herself to men, she had it comming.
- and last but not least it was SHE who sent the pictures so if he's going down for it then damn she should to.

As you would say, let that bitch rott , i don't want her anywhere nere my children.
what you quoted was a fragment of a larger point. nice try.

17 year olds are tried as adults. Or do you think a 17 year old murderer should not be responsible for their actions
she is 16 she sent pix to one man not men. She had it coming? Who are you t odecide that?
Her pix to send NOT his.
Well actually once she sent them to him, they were HIS pics thanks for comming.

errrrrrrrrrrrrr

try following that to its logical conclusion and see if you're not as alarmed as i am.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2010-03-11 06:00:42

#197

TimmmmaaaaH: Damn, I... had something for this; +725|6730|Brisbane, Australia

lowing wrote:
TimmmmaaaaH wrote:
Stealing a TV = Stealing a TV

Posting nudes your ex-GF sent you cause you were mad =/= child pornography charges

Thats what spark meant by proportional. If you can see that there is a difference then this is pretty pointless.
Stealing a TV does not =stealing a tv in return

and posting nude pix of your ex without permission does not = posting nude pixs of your ex in return

Dont see how either of those examples apply to proportionally severe punishment.

No one is advocating eye for an eye type justice here.

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2010-03-11 06:03:36

#198

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6942|USA

TimmmmaaaaH wrote:
lowing wrote:
TimmmmaaaaH wrote:
Stealing a TV = Stealing a TV

Posting nudes your ex-GF sent you cause you were mad =/= child pornography charges

Thats what spark meant by proportional. If you can see that there is a difference then this is pretty pointless.
Stealing a TV does not =stealing a tv in return

and posting nude pix of your ex without permission does not = posting nude pixs of your ex in return
Dont see how either of those examples apply to proportionally severe punishment.

No one is advocating eye for an eye type justice here.

I am not going round in circles with you on this.

I have made my point.

2010-03-11 06:05:50

#199

TimmmmaaaaH: Damn, I... had something for this; +725|6730|Brisbane, Australia

Well its a point unrelated to what myself or spark was talking about, but that seems about the norm so whatever.

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2010-03-11 06:11:04

#200

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6942|USA

TimmmmaaaaH wrote:
Well its a point unrelated to what myself or spark was talking about, but that seems about the norm so whatever.

Go back and re-read. I am not going to be bothered with reviewing it for you.

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