Sorry, he was remorseful and non-compliant when asked to remove them. he was given a chance to do the right thing and refused. Fuck himruisleipa wrote:
?lowing wrote:
see above
Remorseful and non-compliant? I think you mean resentful and non-compliant, but anyway....lowing wrote:
Sorry, he was remorseful and non-compliant when asked to remove them. he was given a chance to do the right thing and refused. Fuck himTurquoise wrote:
Being mad is justified, but charging a minor the same way you would charge a 40 year old with pics of naked minors is just ridiculous.lowing wrote:
bad enough, but then how would you feel about that same teenage boy sending those pics to the world?
It's a bit harsh (and quite frankly stupid) to treat this guy like he's a hardened criminal or child porn ringleader.
It's only through the lack of comprehension of the applicable laws that he's even in this mess to begin with. In effect, this system is similar to the one involving statutory rape. All it takes is vindictive parents to ruin a young person's life when the law isn't properly written.
There is also a problem with the fact that, at 17 he was defiant in the face of the law and authority. I am 43 and if cops are knocking on my door for shit I did wrong they would have my undevided attention. This guy has no respect for the girl the law or authority. I simply do not feel sorry for him. I am willing to bet howver, given a do over he will make more humble choices.Turquoise wrote:
Remorseful and non-compliant? I think you mean resentful and non-compliant, but anyway....lowing wrote:
Sorry, he was remorseful and non-compliant when asked to remove them. he was given a chance to do the right thing and refused. Fuck himTurquoise wrote:
Being mad is justified, but charging a minor the same way you would charge a 40 year old with pics of naked minors is just ridiculous.
It's a bit harsh (and quite frankly stupid) to treat this guy like he's a hardened criminal or child porn ringleader.
It's only through the lack of comprehension of the applicable laws that he's even in this mess to begin with. In effect, this system is similar to the one involving statutory rape. All it takes is vindictive parents to ruin a young person's life when the law isn't properly written.
No I meant unremorseful, he was not sorry for what he did even in the face of criminal charges.
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There's a good reason that the law is usually easier on a 17 year old than on a 43 year old. Surely, you can see that you have a lot more experience and maturity than a 17 year old, which should entail more responsibility and stricter application of law on you than him.lowing wrote:
There is also a problem with the fact that, at 17 he was defiant in the face of the law and authority. I am 43 and if cops are knocking on my door for shit I did wrong they would have my undevided attention. This guy has no respect for the girl the law or authority. I simply do not feel sorry for him. I am willing to bet howver, given a do over he will make more humble choices.
Sorry, not buying it. At 17 one is well aware of right and wrong. Even so, at 17 and so impressionable he should have shit his pants when the cops were knocking on his door threatening arrest. He wasn't. Fuck himTurquoise wrote:
There's a good reason that the law is usually easier on a 17 year old than on a 43 year old. Surely, you can see that you have a lot more experience and maturity than a 17 year old, which should entail more responsibility and stricter application of law on you than him.lowing wrote:
There is also a problem with the fact that, at 17 he was defiant in the face of the law and authority. I am 43 and if cops are knocking on my door for shit I did wrong they would have my undevided attention. This guy has no respect for the girl the law or authority. I simply do not feel sorry for him. I am willing to bet howver, given a do over he will make more humble choices.
I suppose I was incorrect in my assumptions about your maturity then....
No...lowing wrote:
Even so, at 17 and so impressionable he should have shit his pants when the cops were knocking on his door threatening arrest. He wasn't. Fuck him
Out of interest lowing at what age do you think you have NO concept of right and wrong, or, at what age do you become fully and wholly liable for your actions?
A 12 year old should know not to steal, so a 12 year old stealing three times should get sent to prison for life in a state with a three strikes rule yes?
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Sorry ya feel that way.Turquoise wrote:
I suppose I was incorrect in my assumptions about your maturity then....
I will let the fact that I have never been arrested, in jail, in debt a could not manage, out of work, or the fact that I have 2 A and B students who also have never been in any trouble ( outside of my home) speak for my maturity.
Nope, at 12 his parents should go to jail while he goes to juvy.ruisleipa wrote:
No...lowing wrote:
Even so, at 17 and so impressionable he should have shit his pants when the cops were knocking on his door threatening arrest. He wasn't. Fuck him
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiX7GTelTPM
Out of interest lowing at what age do you think you have NO concept of right and wrong, or, at what age do you become fully and wholly liable for your actions?
A 12 year old should know not to steal, so a 12 year old stealing three times should get sent to prison for life in a state with a three strikes rule yes?
I will put it this way, if you are old enough to take responsibilty for driving a car, you are old enough to take responsiblity for your other actions as well.
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Jail for parents and juvy for the kid. for what???? stealing, say, three bars of chocolate? fuckin hell.lowing wrote:
Nope, at 12 his parents should go to jail while he goes to juvy.
so driving a car makes you responsible? What about in countries or states where the age limit is diferent for driving a car? What about driving a moped? Or a bike? Could you be any more arbitrary? That makes no sense.I will put it this way, if you are old enough to take responsibilty for driving a car, you are old enough to take responsiblity for your other actions as well.
Yup, jail for the parents of kids who commit crimes.ruisleipa wrote:
Jail for parents and juvy for the kid. for what???? stealing, say, three bars of chocolate? fuckin hell.lowing wrote:
Nope, at 12 his parents should go to jail while he goes to juvy.so driving a car makes you responsible? What about in countries or states where the age limit is different for driving a car? What about driving a moped? Or a bike? Could you be any more arbitrary? That makes no sense.I will put it this way, if you are old enough to take responsibility for driving a car, you are old enough to take responsibility for your other actions as well.
In the eyes of society, driving assumes responsibility. Or did you not know that? When people do shit or fuck uo on the road enough times it proves themselves irresponsible and they have their driving privileges removed. Not sure how this does not make sense.
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Lowing's views should give an insight into why we have so many people in prison. Unfortunately, his views aren't as uncommon here as they should be....ruisleipa wrote:
Jail for parents and juvy for the kid. for what???? stealing, say, three bars of chocolate? fuckin hell.lowing wrote:
Nope, at 12 his parents should go to jail while he goes to juvy.so driving a car makes you responsible? What about in countries or states where the age limit is diferent for driving a car? What about driving a moped? Or a bike? Could you be any more arbitrary? That makes no sense.I will put it this way, if you are old enough to take responsibilty for driving a car, you are old enough to take responsiblity for your other actions as well.
Or perhaps the lack of personal responsibility and the fact that we, in an ever growing frequency, think that our personal responsibility is someone elses responsibility is the real problem.Turquoise wrote:
Lowing's views should give an insight into why we have so many people in prison. Unfortunately, his views aren't as uncommon here as they should be....ruisleipa wrote:
Jail for parents and juvy for the kid. for what???? stealing, say, three bars of chocolate? fuckin hell.lowing wrote:
Nope, at 12 his parents should go to jail while he goes to juvy.so driving a car makes you responsible? What about in countries or states where the age limit is diferent for driving a car? What about driving a moped? Or a bike? Could you be any more arbitrary? That makes no sense.I will put it this way, if you are old enough to take responsibilty for driving a car, you are old enough to take responsiblity for your other actions as well.
Not executing capital offenders is a contributing reason we have over crowding
I find it strange how you think I am wrong in my beliefs, yet, as I practice what I preach, I am the one not needing govt. welfare, in prison, have debt I can not manage, a criminal record or unemployed. I am also not the one facing jail time for child pornography.
If I am living my life all wrong, I will just have to settle for it I guess.
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Seems like lowing is trolling. That, or he is the next Hitler/Stalin/Lenin.
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and yea most of them ended up in jail or dead well Easy E ended up dying of aids... but yeah getting back to the story if the cops were to ask me or someone else from the interwebz I would listen the first time..... .. but maybe the guy (baphoon) wasnt taking it srsly now he has a chance of spending 12 years in prisonruisleipa wrote:
No...lowing wrote:
Even so, at 17 and so impressionable he should have shit his pants when the cops were knocking on his door threatening arrest. He wasn't. Fuck him
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiX7GTelTPM
Out of interest lowing at what age do you think you have NO concept of right and wrong, or, at what age do you become fully and wholly liable for your actions?
A 12 year old should know not to steal, so a 12 year old stealing three times should get sent to prison for life in a state with a three strikes rule yes?
yeah um i had a few lol moments reading these posts
1. that the average 17 year old knows the difference between right and wrong
2. that driving is a sign of maturity
1. that the average 17 year old knows the difference between right and wrong
2. that driving is a sign of maturity
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
I think you'll find that mandatory drug sentencing affects prison crowding much more than whether or not we execute people.lowing wrote:
Or perhaps the lack of personal responsibility and the fact that we, in an ever growing frequency, think that our personal responsibility is someone elses responsibility is the real problem.
Not executing capital offenders is a contributing reason we have over crowding.
I'm not saying you live your life wrong. I'm saying you seem to be incapable of understanding any concept of compassion or reasonable sentencing.lowing wrote:
I find it strange how you think I am wrong in my beliefs, yet, as I practice what I preach, I am the one not needing govt. welfare, in prison, have debt I can not manage, a criminal record or unemployed. I am also not the one facing jail time for child pornography.
If I am living my life all wrong, I will just have to settle for it I guess.
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you mean, until the age at which their kids start driving? It's so arbitrary it's ridiculous.lowing wrote:
Yup, jail for the parents of kids who commit crimes.
Errr...no. Being allowed to drive means that you have passed a driving test and are old enough to drive. It has fuck all to do with being 'responsible' in the criminal sense. Fucking up on the road and having your driving license removed means you are no longer able to drive - but you can still vote, for example. If anything I'd say being old enough to vote is the point at which society says you are responsible for your actions. As I said before:lowing wrote:
In the eyes of society, driving assumes responsibility. Or did you not know that? When people do shit or fuck uo on the road enough times it proves themselves irresponsible and they have their driving privileges removed. Not sure how this does not make sense.
Generally you can drive a moped at an earlier age than a car - what does that say about responsibility? If you can drive a bike on the street you must be responsible, surely? People of different ages in different countries are equally responsible because they can drive at different ages? Your argument is nonsense.so driving a car makes you responsible? What about in countries or states where the age limit is diferent for driving a car? What about driving a moped? Or a bike? Could you be any more arbitrary?
Incidentally, according to this website:
http://www.2pass.co.uk/ages2.htm
By the age of 16 in all states in the US you can get a learner's driving licence. So by your argument the girl who was 16 who sent her pictures to the guy should be held responsible for her actions.
So, surprisingly, you do agree with the rest of us - that the girl is at minimum equally responsible and it's not at all completely the guy's fault.
As turq said, mandatory drug sentencing and over-reaction for minor crimes is the reason for prison overcrowding.lowing wrote:
Not executing capital offenders is a contributing reason we have over crowding
I find it strange how you think I am wrong in my beliefs, yet, as I practice what I preach, I am the one not needing govt. welfare, in prison, have debt I can not manage, a criminal record or unemployed. I am also not the one facing jail time for child pornography.
If I am living my life all wrong, I will just have to settle for it I guess.
You can stop bigging yourself up by the way, the fact you've never been in trouble with law etc etc (which we only have your word for) has nothing to do with anything.
You know how when you were young and you maybe hit someone and the cops didn't arrest you and throw you in jail cos you were young and foolish and you had to learn your lesson? Well you learnt that without being gang raped for 12 years right? Maybe jailing this 17 year old for 12 years woldn't give him 'respect for authority and the law' and instead he'd realise the law is an ass and come out of jail being a hardened criminal. Yeah, that'd show him!
Or...maybe, if he got a warning and some minor punishment he would learn his lesson more quickly, be able to finish his education, realise that the law can be merciful, and become a productive member of society.
You, on the other hand, would see him stoned before that.
Couldn't have said it better myself tbh.ruisleipa wrote:
you mean, until the age at which their kids start driving? It's so arbitrary it's ridiculous.lowing wrote:
Yup, jail for the parents of kids who commit crimes.Errr...no. Being allowed to drive means that you have passed a driving test and are old enough to drive. It has fuck all to do with being 'responsible' in the criminal sense. Fucking up on the road and having your driving license removed means you are no longer able to drive - but you can still vote, for example. If anything I'd say being old enough to vote is the point at which society says you are responsible for your actions. As I said before:lowing wrote:
In the eyes of society, driving assumes responsibility. Or did you not know that? When people do shit or fuck uo on the road enough times it proves themselves irresponsible and they have their driving privileges removed. Not sure how this does not make sense.Generally you can drive a moped at an earlier age than a car - what does that say about responsibility? If you can drive a bike on the street you must be responsible, surely? People of different ages in different countries are equally responsible because they can drive at different ages? Your argument is nonsense.so driving a car makes you responsible? What about in countries or states where the age limit is diferent for driving a car? What about driving a moped? Or a bike? Could you be any more arbitrary?
Incidentally, according to this website:
http://www.2pass.co.uk/ages2.htm
By the age of 16 in all states in the US you can get a learner's driving licence. So by your argument the girl who was 16 who sent her pictures to the guy should be held responsible for her actions.
So, surprisingly, you do agree with the rest of us - that the girl is at minimum equally responsible and it's not at all completely the guy's fault.As turq said, mandatory drug sentencing and over-reaction for minor crimes is the reason for prison overcrowding.lowing wrote:
Not executing capital offenders is a contributing reason we have over crowding
I find it strange how you think I am wrong in my beliefs, yet, as I practice what I preach, I am the one not needing govt. welfare, in prison, have debt I can not manage, a criminal record or unemployed. I am also not the one facing jail time for child pornography.
If I am living my life all wrong, I will just have to settle for it I guess.
You can stop bigging yourself up by the way, the fact you've never been in trouble with law etc etc (which we only have your word for) has nothing to do with anything.
You know how when you were young and you maybe hit someone and the cops didn't arrest you and throw you in jail cos you were young and foolish and you had to learn your lesson? Well you learnt that without being gang raped for 12 years right? Maybe jailing this 17 year old for 12 years woldn't give him 'respect for authority and the law' and instead he'd realise the law is an ass and come out of jail being a hardened criminal. Yeah, that'd show him!
Or...maybe, if he got a warning and some minor punishment he would learn his lesson more quickly, be able to finish his education, realise that the law can be merciful, and become a productive member of society.
You, on the other hand, would see him stoned before that.
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1. Are you serious? You really believe that a person 17 years old has no concept of right or wrong? Please do not breed.Spark wrote:
yeah um i had a few lol moments reading these posts
1. that the average 17 year old knows the difference between right and wrong
2. that driving is a sign of maturity
2. I didn't say it was a sign of maturity. I said society views anyone that can be responsible enough to operate a car, drive it at 65 miles an hour with a closure rate of 130 miles an hour with 3 feet separation from on coming traffic as being responsible. If the individual did not present himself or show responsibility for it. They would not have been issued a license. Also if that person demonstrated irresponsibility while driving society would take away his license to drive.
An ironic commentROGUEDD wrote:
Seems like lowing is trolling. That, or he is the next Hitler/Stalin/Lenin.
I do not condone prison for drug dealing or using. I wish the drug users all the drugs they can pump into their system, and enjoy.Turquoise wrote:
I think you'll find that mandatory drug sentencing affects prison crowding much more than whether or not we execute people.lowing wrote:
Or perhaps the lack of personal responsibility and the fact that we, in an ever growing frequency, think that our personal responsibility is someone elses responsibility is the real problem.
Not executing capital offenders is a contributing reason we have over crowding.I'm not saying you live your life wrong. I'm saying you seem to be incapable of understanding any concept of compassion or reasonable sentencing.lowing wrote:
I find it strange how you think I am wrong in my beliefs, yet, as I practice what I preach, I am the one not needing govt. welfare, in prison, have debt I can not manage, a criminal record or unemployed. I am also not the one facing jail time for child pornography.
If I am living my life all wrong, I will just have to settle for it I guess.
I show compassion for those deserving of it. This guy was not sorry he did it and was defiant in the order to take it down.
1. I used driving as an example as to responsibilty. If yo think there is no responsisibilty involved in getting behind the wheel of a car, then you are fucked in the head.ruisleipa wrote:
you mean, until the age at which their kids start driving? It's so arbitrary it's ridiculous.lowing wrote:
Yup, jail for the parents of kids who commit crimes.Errr...no. Being allowed to drive means that you have passed a driving test and are old enough to drive. It has fuck all to do with being 'responsible' in the criminal sense. Fucking up on the road and having your driving license removed means you are no longer able to drive - but you can still vote, for example. If anything I'd say being old enough to vote is the point at which society says you are responsible for your actions. As I said before:lowing wrote:
In the eyes of society, driving assumes responsibility. Or did you not know that? When people do shit or fuck uo on the road enough times it proves themselves irresponsible and they have their driving privileges removed. Not sure how this does not make sense.Generally you can drive a moped at an earlier age than a car - what does that say about responsibility? If you can drive a bike on the street you must be responsible, surely? People of different ages in different countries are equally responsible because they can drive at different ages? Your argument is nonsense.so driving a car makes you responsible? What about in countries or states where the age limit is diferent for driving a car? What about driving a moped? Or a bike? Could you be any more arbitrary?
Incidentally, according to this website:
http://www.2pass.co.uk/ages2.htm
By the age of 16 in all states in the US you can get a learner's driving licence. So by your argument the girl who was 16 who sent her pictures to the guy should be held responsible for her actions.
So, surprisingly, you do agree with the rest of us - that the girl is at minimum equally responsible and it's not at all completely the guy's fault.As turq said, mandatory drug sentencing and over-reaction for minor crimes is the reason for prison overcrowding.lowing wrote:
Not executing capital offenders is a contributing reason we have over crowding
I find it strange how you think I am wrong in my beliefs, yet, as I practice what I preach, I am the one not needing govt. welfare, in prison, have debt I can not manage, a criminal record or unemployed. I am also not the one facing jail time for child pornography.
If I am living my life all wrong, I will just have to settle for it I guess.
You can stop bigging yourself up by the way, the fact you've never been in trouble with law etc etc (which we only have your word for) has nothing to do with anything.
You know how when you were young and you maybe hit someone and the cops didn't arrest you and throw you in jail cos you were young and foolish and you had to learn your lesson? Well you learnt that without being gang raped for 12 years right? Maybe jailing this 17 year old for 12 years woldn't give him 'respect for authority and the law' and instead he'd realise the law is an ass and come out of jail being a hardened criminal. Yeah, that'd show him!
Or...maybe, if he got a warning and some minor punishment he would learn his lesson more quickly, be able to finish his education, realise that the law can be merciful, and become a productive member of society.
You, on the other hand, would see him stoned before that.
2. Really? Try acting irresponsible or like a jack-off in front of the person giving your driving test and see how far you go
3. By the age of 16 and show some sort of responsibilty you can get a permit. The girl fucked up she did it to herself, this guy took what was not his to give and humiliated this girl in front of the world. She trusted him and now regrets it. He violated her trust and her privacy and dioes not give a shit. Not sure how you can not see the difference.
That fuckhead did get a warning and a chance to take it down, he refused. Fuck him
He is a 17 year idiot. He knows right from wrong, but doesn't think about weather what he is doing is right or wrong. He made a mistake, one most of us could easily make.
My God man, prison after stealing three candy bars on three occasions? Sorry, prison for the parents. Do you realize how retarded and fucked up that sounds? And if a driver's license were a sign of responsibility, then there wouldn't be half as many teenage deaths as there are today.
My God man, prison after stealing three candy bars on three occasions? Sorry, prison for the parents. Do you realize how retarded and fucked up that sounds? And if a driver's license were a sign of responsibility, then there wouldn't be half as many teenage deaths as there are today.
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