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ATG wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Except patriot missles cant shoot down nukes. Hence why that doesnt make sense.

Why? Are they delivered on stealth carrier pigeons?


Any missile can in theory be shot down.

But, if we were serious about national security we would dissolve the fed and deport illegal aliens. We don't, therefor we are not and this is all bullshit.

Patriot missiles aren't able to fly into the edges of space, they don't have the capacity to, they also wouldn't have the speed to chase down and intercontinental missile.

ATG wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Except patriot missles cant shoot down nukes. Hence why that doesnt make sense.

Why? Are they delivered on stealth carrier pigeons?


Any missile can in theory be shot down.

But, if we were serious about national security we would dissolve the fed and deport illegal aliens. We don't, therefor we are not and this is all bullshit.

sure....go get a bottle rocket.


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ATG wrote:

Patriots are designed to get them on the way up or the way down, not at the edge of space, hence the desire to have the at mother bears gates.

ICBM's are not the only source of delivery for nuclear warheads, and I'm pretty sure Patriots can hit long-range bombers therefore creating potential threat for Russia's ability to respond if being hit. Dont forget that cold war was 'cold' only because there was some sort of balance - you werent able to safely nuke your opponent without recieving adequate ammount of nukes on your head. Deployment of Patriots in Poland certainly doesn't eliminate Russia's ability for nuclear responce, but theoretically it does some damage to that ability. What I'm trying to say is that I believe that things are ok as they are now, when both Russia & US/allies have reasonable ammount of nukes and ability to launch them at each other and sane enough leaders that will never do it. If one side would lose a capability of nuclear responce balance will be ruined and in a no time we all might get screwed.

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Patriots will have difficulty stopping anything like this.

RTHKI wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

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Patriots will have difficulty stopping anything like this.

googled.

Testing at the Kwajalein Atoll of the Peacekeeper re-entry vehicles, all eight fired from only one missile. With live warheads, each line would represent the explosive power of twenty Hiroshima-sized (Little Boy) nuclear weapons.   

looks liked they retired the peacekeepers and put all the warheads into minutemen III's though.

I ahree that it doesnt seems likely that they could stop those.

Technically I think they could. But patriots are a point defense weapon. If the warheads were falling on Warsaw, the Patriots might be able to intercept a small percentage. If the warheads were over flying Poland on their way to say Berlin, Patriots would have absolutely no chance. Anyone who is saying that this would have even a minute effect on MAD is quite frankly talking out of their ass. Do some research.

Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

The Israelis feel threatened by the S300s apparently.

No. They recognize that those missiles would make taking out the REAL threat (nuke sites) that much more difficult.

Which is why they feel threatened by Iran possessing them.

They don't like Iran possessing them, regardless.

But here's a clue: Nobody likes anyone possessing them because they are nasty as fuck SAMs. Period. But they're not OFFENSIVE. And nobody is stupid enough to claim that they are or that that's why they don't like people having them.

Dilbert_X wrote:

So why are they being put there?

Because Poland is part of NATO and the Patriot is essentially the NATO standard for SAMs? Ensures interoperability with other NATO countries? Replaces antiquated Soviet-era equipment that is not interoperable with NATO equipment?

Just off the top of the noggin...

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Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Because Poland is part of NATO and the Patriot is essentially the NATO standard for SAMs? Ensures interoperability with other NATO countries? Replaces antiquated Soviet-era equipment that is not interoperable with NATO equipment?

Thats all terrific but what threat exactly are the Patriots there to defend against?

What is any military unit there to defend against? Gotta be ready for any/everything. 99% of the time there isn't a specific threat.

Longbow wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

What is any military unit there to defend against? Gotta be ready for any/everything. 99% of the time there isn't a specific threat.

Speaking of Poland, I'm 99% certain that the threat is ruskies. Unless new bloody Hitler comes to power in Germany...

Sure, why not? Anyway, there's nothing illegal about Poland wanting to defend itself. If a battery of Patriot missiles helps the people of that country sleep at night then that's all that really matters in the grand scheme of things isn't it? Any governments primary mission is to protect it's citizens from outward harm, Poland seems to be doing just that.

Longbow wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Sure, why not? Anyway, there's nothing illegal about Poland wanting to defend itself. If a battery of Patriot missiles helps the people of that country sleep at night then that's all that really matters in the grand scheme of things isn't it? Any governments primary mission is to protect it's citizens from outward harm, Poland seems to be doing just that.

I'm not so sure that Polish people do want to have those missiles in their country. Might be their goverment & US goverment. Just conducting parallels with our goverment that is (or was, idk what new president will do) trying to drive Ukraine into NATO while the majority of population was against that.

Im sure they would rather have no defense in case Russia feels like raping (literally and figuratively) the shit out of their country again.

Longbow wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Sure, why not? Anyway, there's nothing illegal about Poland wanting to defend itself. If a battery of Patriot missiles helps the people of that country sleep at night then that's all that really matters in the grand scheme of things isn't it? Any governments primary mission is to protect it's citizens from outward harm, Poland seems to be doing just that.

I'm not so sure that Polish people do want to have those missiles in their country. Might be their goverment & US goverment. Just conducting parallels with our goverment that is (or was, idk what new president will do) trying to drive Ukraine into NATO while the majority of population was against that.

Why did you guys vote out the hottie with the braids?

Vilham wrote:

Longbow wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Sure, why not? Anyway, there's nothing illegal about Poland wanting to defend itself. If a battery of Patriot missiles helps the people of that country sleep at night then that's all that really matters in the grand scheme of things isn't it? Any governments primary mission is to protect it's citizens from outward harm, Poland seems to be doing just that.

I'm not so sure that Polish people do want to have those missiles in their country. Might be their goverment & US goverment. Just conducting parallels with our goverment that is (or was, idk what new president will do) trying to drive Ukraine into NATO while the majority of population was against that.

Im sure they would rather have no defense in case Russia feels like raping (literally and figuratively) the shit out of their country again.

their nato membership is all the defence they'd ever need.

Longbow wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Why did you guys vote out the hottie with the braids?

She's power hungry bitch that cares only about own enrichment. Teh gangsta that became a president aint much different anyway.

protip: I didn't vote

You just described every politician in the entire world.

Shahter wrote:

Vilham wrote:

By the time NATO reaches them its a bit late, and if NATO doesn't provide on the spot defense to its members it makes it look weak and hard to take seriously.

really? when was the last time you lookerd at the world map, dude?

Indeed... Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine all buffer Poland. You guys do have the area around Königsberg though shahter... Should really give that back to Germany one of these years...

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