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2006-04-22 18:29:56
jnick
Member
+22|7165

BlackLegion42 wrote:

Also that is just on a forum, until you give me a article or some other legit source that nVidia said is true, then I am going to buy it. One forum source isn't going cover it and also most current SLI Intel chipset boards can support upcoming Conroe because they support Presler 9xx Pentium D's and Intel stated officially that these mobos can support upcoming Conroe.
Apparently you don't know much about the XS forums. FUGGER himself is a much respected enthusiast and has the heads up on a LOT of things before the public (inside sources, and he himself is under NDA a lot as well). They HAVE the conroe chip, as a matter of a fact, 3 of them. I know for a FACT, as it stands right now, nvidia will not enable SLi on INTEL chipsets. As far as the comment that nvidia won't support conroe - not ONE of those 3 conroes worked in the ASUS.

Last edited by jnick (2006-04-22 18:46:23)

2006-04-22 19:07:31
Janus67
Tech God
+86|6978|Ohio, USA

washow wrote:

ok difference in conroe and am2 is that conroe is using 65nm processor and am2 is using 90nm like s939
but early next year(i think), AMD's going to release a new 65nm processor

so for now, conroe ftw

is this okay for using paragraph janus?
i swear nobody ever gave me shtis for using spaces..
always thought that was kinda easier to read but oh well
lol, yeah, it was much better and a lot easier to read.  it didn't jump around nearly as much as when there are spaces after every sentence and no sense of flow.  oh and good post, I have heard the same thing IIRC.
2006-04-22 19:48:27
BlackLegion42
Damn Command and Conquer Generals...
+62|7113|Rochester, NY

jnick wrote:

BlackLegion42 wrote:

Also that is just on a forum, until you give me a article or some other legit source that nVidia said is true, then I am going to buy it. One forum source isn't going cover it and also most current SLI Intel chipset boards can support upcoming Conroe because they support Presler 9xx Pentium D's and Intel stated officially that these mobos can support upcoming Conroe.
Apparently you don't know much about the XS forums. FUGGER himself is a much respected enthusiast and has the heads up on a LOT of things before the public (inside sources, and he himself is under NDA a lot as well). They HAVE the conroe chip, as a matter of a fact, 3 of them. I know for a FACT, as it stands right now, nvidia will not enable SLi on INTEL chipsets. As far as the comment that nvidia won't support conroe - not ONE of those 3 conroes worked in the ASUS.
If what he says is true, than gamers and extreme multimedia users are still staying with AMD, no matter how grungy the K8 architecture is now because of SLI. Now I wonder about ATI's Crossfire...

Also... If the mainstream Conroe can't do it what about Conroe Extreme Edition??? aka Pentium EE 975???

Last edited by BlackLegion42 (2006-04-22 19:52:32)

2006-04-22 20:03:05
jnick
Member
+22|7165
This is why a lot of users think that because of this move by nVidia, there will be a LOT of ATi users after the release of conroe as ATi CFire WILL work with Conroe.

However, in the Steam survey, only .77% of the survey takers used dual card setups . . . so it may not damage nvidia at all . . . only time will tell.

Last edited by jnick (2006-04-22 20:04:13)

2006-04-22 20:23:51
Maj.Do
Member
+85|7134|good old CA
wait so let me get this straight, Nvidia wont support the conroe?  How strange
2006-04-22 20:44:38
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7099

jnick wrote:

This is why a lot of users think that because of this move by nVidia, there will be a LOT of ATi users after the release of conroe as ATi CFire WILL work with Conroe.

However, in the Steam survey, only .77% of the survey takers used dual card setups . . . so it may not damage nvidia at all . . . only time will tell.
no no u got it all wrong... Nvidia Wont support sli on conroe chips yet, the conroe ready mobo u can buy now (975x) officially support crossfire but not SLI and btw, SLI is useless unless u got a lot of money
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2006-04-22 22:37:00
XxUNDEROATHxX
=(1C4L)=underOATH
+52|7039|Chandler, AZ

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

jnick wrote:

This is why a lot of users think that because of this move by nVidia, there will be a LOT of ATi users after the release of conroe as ATi CFire WILL work with Conroe.

However, in the Steam survey, only .77% of the survey takers used dual card setups . . . so it may not damage nvidia at all . . . only time will tell.
no no u got it all wrong... Nvidia Wont support sli on conroe chips yet, the conroe ready mobo u can buy now (975x) officially support crossfire but not SLI and btw, SLI is useless unless u got a lot of money
The way I see SLI, its more of an upgrade path...Imagine now you get a 7900GTX w/ a SLI mobo...1-2yrs later when the 7900GTX isnt fast enough to run the latest games, you can pop in a new 7900GTX when theyre cheaper, and increase your performance by 20-30%...

SLI does make a difference on higher resolutions as well. You can pump the graphics to thir max, and the res to its max, and have a solid 50-80 FPS because the GPUs only have to power half the screen each...
2006-04-22 23:49:22
Tushers
Noctwisaskfirtush
+224|7067|Some where huntin in Wisconsin
i am running an amazing 70 FPS usaaly at its lowest and when i am sniping i will be getting aroun 91 or so...i am sending it back, and buy one just as good but for cheaper
2006-04-22 23:51:44
Cybargs
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+2,285|7099
but would u get another 7900gtx in 1 or 2 years? i think not since u can get something better at that time... i thought i would sli w/ my 7800gtx but then the 7900gt is better and cheaper...
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2006-04-23 11:44:39
jnick
Member
+22|7165

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

no no u got it all wrong... Nvidia Wont support sli on conroe chips yet, the conroe ready mobo u can buy now (975x) officially support crossfire but not SLI and btw, SLI is useless unless u got a lot of money
This is EXACTLY what I said, with one difference - The word "yet".

However, nVidia stated it's NOT going to happen. Could they change their minds? Sure. But as of right now, Conroe + SLi = not happening.

Last edited by jnick (2006-04-23 11:45:39)

2006-04-23 13:06:13
BlackLegion42
Damn Command and Conquer Generals...
+62|7113|Rochester, NY

jnick wrote:

This is why a lot of users think that because of this move by nVidia, there will be a LOT of ATi users after the release of conroe as ATi CFire WILL work with Conroe.

However, in the Steam survey, only .77% of the survey takers used dual card setups . . . so it may not damage nvidia at all . . . only time will tell.
So nVidia is getting a kick in the butt with ATi, that Crossfire is with Conroe and Intel... Still a very strange move... nVidia should stay with Intel, now Intel would get the lead.
2006-04-23 16:29:37
Viper007Bond
Moderator Emeritus
+236|7188|Portland, OR, USA

Dual video cards make little sense to me when a single, top of the line card can handle nearly every single game out there on max settings.
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2006-04-23 17:55:10
jnick
Member
+22|7165

Viper007Bond wrote:

Dual video cards make little sense to me when a single, top of the line card can handle nearly every single game out there on max settings.
I also think that SLi and CFire setups are a waste, however for a different reason. Let's take DX10. I can go Cfire now with 2 7900GTXs and have a pretty sick system. However, once DX10 comes out, what does it do for me? Everyone states that they SLi for future-proofing, however when new hardware comes out, there's usually some type of architectural change (exs DX10 shaders), of which SLIing 7900GTXs won't provide.

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2006-04-23 19:53:36
Janus67
Tech God
+86|6978|Ohio, USA
I put together a system for Tusher's on the egg.  He/she said they already had a monitor (although only a 17'' crt...) but anyway, for $4000 (had up to 4500)+ shipping here is what I said:

https://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wi … Tusher%27s
2006-04-23 20:56:00
SunTzu
Playdough! Nope C4...
+6|7105|Toronto, ON, CAN
So what 8 posts about Tusher's sys, and 3 pages worth of debate on chipsets and SLI??? This was one funny hijacking...

BTW: Don't know Tusher's experience with highly ESD sensitive parts, but I can tell you I have had more business repairing DOA machines because someone didn't take precautions to protect critical components from static. Many of the people who would bring thier machines to me, had a family "expert" work on the machine before they started having random problems (artifacts on the screen, wierd system restarts / failures, etc...).

I hope you guys who told him to return the Alienware, are willing to accept his phonecall at 2 AM when he is having problems, because you are the ones who advised him.
He was paying a premium for the customer support, and the machine arriving already tweaked. 

Could he have gone faster for less money; sure. But, he was happy with his purchase before you popped the bubble though.
2006-04-23 21:35:31
Janus67
Tech God
+86|6978|Ohio, USA
I already recommended having someone close to him that would be able to put it together and help troubleshoot, I just offered to pick out parts that would give better performance for the money.  I completely agree, if one doesn't know much about troubleshooting or doesn't want to go through that then by all means get a pre-built pc, but if you want to learn something as you go along.  Building a pc is a great experience.
2006-04-23 21:59:32
Maj.Do
Member
+85|7134|good old CA

SunTzu wrote:

So what 8 posts about Tusher's sys, and 3 pages worth of debate on chipsets and SLI??? This was one funny hijacking...

BTW: Don't know Tusher's experience with highly ESD sensitive parts, but I can tell you I have had more business repairing DOA machines because someone didn't take precautions to protect critical components from static. Many of the people who would bring thier machines to me, had a family "expert" work on the machine before they started having random problems (artifacts on the screen, wierd system restarts / failures, etc...).

I hope you guys who told him to return the Alienware, are willing to accept his phonecall at 2 AM when he is having problems, because you are the ones who advised him.
He was paying a premium for the customer support, and the machine arriving already tweaked. 

Could he have gone faster for less money; sure. But, he was happy with his purchase before you popped the bubble though.
i didnt recommand him to return it :  )  , look for my post.

and to tusher, just keep the computer. i made a mistake before buying a dell 8400 i kept it because it could still play games like fear and bf2.  Now that computer is my server.  Still does good for me.

Last edited by Maj.Do (2006-04-23 22:00:41)

2006-04-24 11:01:28
SunTzu
Playdough! Nope C4...
+6|7105|Toronto, ON, CAN

Janus67 wrote:

... Building a pc is a great experience...
Completely agree. I just was finding that Tusher 'appeared' to be swayed into making a decision because of some of the feedback. We're talking about someone who just spent a relatively huge sum to buy a system. This isn't someone who could afford the cost of a mistake.

I do build all my own systems as well, and even run a small business of building Custom Mod systems for others, but I have enough aside that if I burn out a CPU or a GPU trying to overclock a system too far (which only happened once, and it was intentional. I wanted to see if a Pentium Pro could clock to 300MHz... which it did, till the memory popped), I could afford to replace it.

Oh, and to the SLI debate, cost to performance, you'll never recouperate your money. By the time the card becomes remarkably cheaper (6800GT's for instance), they are already behind the peak side of the curve. You would be better off to buy the best card you can afford, and just follow up with the next best card when it comes out, and turn your old one on EBay... you can get at least 35% of your costs back, and still be at the high end of gaming.
Crossfire is a little different, but some games are still not optimizing to the peak performances with the different series of cards being "x-fired" together. Once this is tweaked though, it would allow users to leap-frog their way to better systems, one card at a time.

To bad that can't be done with Motherboards!
2006-04-24 12:33:41
Janus67
Tech God
+86|6978|Ohio, USA

SunTzu wrote:

Janus67 wrote:

... Building a pc is a great experience...
Completely agree. I just was finding that Tusher 'appeared' to be swayed into making a decision because of some of the feedback. We're talking about someone who just spent a relatively huge sum to buy a system. This isn't someone who could afford the cost of a mistake.

I do build all my own systems as well, and even run a small business of building Custom Mod systems for others, but I have enough aside that if I burn out a CPU or a GPU trying to overclock a system too far (which only happened once, and it was intentional. I wanted to see if a Pentium Pro could clock to 300MHz... which it did, till the memory popped), I could afford to replace it.

Oh, and to the SLI debate, cost to performance, you'll never recouperate your money. By the time the card becomes remarkably cheaper (6800GT's for instance), they are already behind the peak side of the curve. You would be better off to buy the best card you can afford, and just follow up with the next best card when it comes out, and turn your old one on EBay... you can get at least 35% of your costs back, and still be at the high end of gaming.
Crossfire is a little different, but some games are still not optimizing to the peak performances with the different series of cards being "x-fired" together. Once this is tweaked though, it would allow users to leap-frog their way to better systems, one card at a time.

To bad that can't be done with Motherboards!
I completely agree with you there SunTzu.  I too help build/repair/troubleshoot pcs for friends, family, and at my job (IT Department at a hospital).  I have made the mistake of overdoing some overclocking etc, but the beauty and faults of this hobby is learning from experience.  I also 100% agree with the SLI view.  From what I have read SLI is completely bottlenecked right now by processor power, it just can't keep up with the dual graphics cards.  If he would want he could just get one 7900gtx or 1900xtx and the rest and would be sitting pretty until the next gen comes out.  Where as you said he could still get probably 50% or more of the money back then put that towards the new card + what he saved earlier.  I also would recommend getting a better monitor, as his 17'' CRT won't be able to take advantage of running at ultra-high resolutions.  I was leaning towards recommending a 20.1'' or 24'' Dell widescreen for that purpose.  Again, I left it up to him and told him to come back to me with any questions and before he makes any final decisions so that I can make sure that everything will be okay to go together.  +1 for you bud.
2006-04-25 10:17:18
jaymz9350
Member
+54|6960

Maj.Do wrote:

well the am2 looks like its gonna suck though : \ its a 939 with ddr2 support
yeah so 939 smokes

 

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