Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5361|London, England
http://www.slate.com/id/2243797/
In trying to explain why our political paralysis seems to have gotten so much worse over the past year, analysts have rounded up a plausible collection of reasons including: President Obama's tactical missteps, the obstinacy of congressional Republicans, rising partisanship in Washington, the blustering idiocracy of the cable-news stations, and the Senate filibuster, which has devolved into a super-majority threshold for any important legislation. These are all large factors, to be sure, but that list neglects what may be the biggest culprit in our current predicament: the childishness, ignorance, and growing incoherence of the public at large.

Anybody who says you can't have it both ways clearly hasn't been spending much time reading opinion polls lately. One year ago, 59 percent of the American public liked the stimulus plan, according to Gallup. A few months later, with the economy still deeply mired in recession, a majority of the same size said Obama was spending too much money on it. There's nothing wrong with changing your mind, of course, but opinion polls over the last year reflect something altogether more troubling: a country that simultaneously demands and rejects action on unemployment, deficits, health care, climate change, and a whole host of other major problems. Sixty percent of Americans want stricter regulations of financial institutions. But nearly the same proportion says we're suffering from too much regulation on business. That kind of illogic—or, if you prefer, susceptibility to rhetorical manipulation—is what locks the status quo in place.

At the root of this kind of self-contradiction is our historical, nationally characterological ambivalence about government. We want Washington and the states to fix all of our problems now. At the same time, we want government to shrink, spend less, and reduce our taxes. We dislike government in the abstract: According to CNN, 67 percent of people favor balancing the budget even when the country is in a recession or a war, which is madness. But we love government in the particular: Even larger majorities oppose the kind of spending cuts that would reduce projected deficits, let alone eliminate them. Nearly half the public wants to cancel the Obama stimulus, and a strong majority doesn't want another round of it. But 80-plus percent of people want to extend unemployment benefits and to spend more money on roads and bridges. There's another term for that stuff: more stimulus spending.

The usual way to describe such inconsistent demands from voters is to say that the public is an angry, populist, tea-partying mood. But a lot more people are watching American Idol than are watching Glenn Beck, and our collective illogic is mostly negligent rather than militant. The more compelling explanation is that the American public lives in Candyland, where government can tackle the big problems and get out of the way at the same time. In this respect, the whole country is becoming more and more like California, where ignorance is bliss and the state's bonds have dropped to an A- rating (the same level as Libya's), thanks to a referendum system that allows the people to be even more irresponsible than their elected representatives. Middle-class Americans really don't want to hear about sacrifices or trade-offs—except as flattering descriptions about how ready we, as a people, are, or used to be, to accept them. We like the idea of hard choices in theory. When was the last time we made one in reality?

The politicians thriving at the moment are the ones who embody this live-for-the-today mentality, those best able to call for the impossible with a straight face. Take Scott Brown, the newly elected Senator from Massachusetts. Brown wants government to take in less revenue: He has signed a no-new-taxes pledge and called for an across-the-board tax cut on families and businesses. But Brown doesn't want government to spend any less money: He opposes reductions in Medicare payments and all other spending cuts of any significance. He says we can lower deficits above 10 percent of GDP—the largest deficits since World War II, deficits so large that they threaten our future as the world's leading military and economic power—simply by cutting government waste. No sensible person who has spent five minutes looking at the budget thinks that's remotely possible. The charitable interpretation is that Brown embodies naive optimism, an approach to politics that Ronald Reagan left as one of his more dubious legacies to Republican Party. A better explanation is that Brown is consciously pandering to the public's ignorance and illusions the same way the rest of his Republican colleagues are.

I don't mean to suggest that honesty is what separates the two parties. Increasingly, the crucial distinction is between the minority of serious politicians in either party who are prepared to speak directly about our choices, on the one hand, and the majority who indulge the public's delusions, on the other. I would put President Obama and his economic team in the first group, along with California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger. Republicans are more indulgent of the public's unrealism in general, but Democrats have spent years fostering their own forms of denial. Where Republicans encourage popular myths about taxes, spending, and climate change, Democrats tend to stoke our fantasies about the sustainability of entitlement spending as well as about the cost of new programs.

Our inability to address long-term challenges makes a strong case that the United States now faces an era of historical decline. Our reluctance to recognize economic choices also portends negative effects for the rest of the world. To change this story line, we need to stop blaming the rascals we elect to office and start looking to ourselves.

Last edited by JohnG@lt (2010-02-09 08:52:54)

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|6718|US
This is what happens when leaders continue to campaign  while trying to govern.  The fear of polls and reelection issues is creating a system where the winner is the one who can more effectively blame the opponent for creating problems that they (or both sides) made.

Our leaders can risk being forced out of office, or they can simply pass the problems down the line in even worse conditions than before.  Self-interest is winning (naturally).

About the only solution I can see for semi-responsible politicians is to cap spending for a while.  The public won't be outraged at losing benefits, while in the long-term we can reduce deficits.  Of course, that assumes tax revenues increase over time.  That also assumes the next wave of leaders won't repeal any caps on spending and undo the whole process...

Last edited by RAIMIUS (2010-02-09 10:46:44)

Ticia
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Unfortunately this happens worldwide.
When i see how uninformed most people are about politics it makes me want to take away their right to vote. Politicians get away with everything 'cause it's only about how good one looks on TV.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,810|6109|eXtreme to the maX
Career politicians are largely the problem
One term and out I reckon, or they can work for free.
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|6769|UK

Dilbert_X wrote:

Career politicians are largely the problem
One term and out I reckon, or they can work for free.
Indeed, the only reason anyone can disagree on that is "experience" but it seems to me that "experienced" politicians are the ones who make the fuck ups and are causing problem, their disconnect from reality is quite disturbing.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,810|6109|eXtreme to the maX
It seems however much real life experience people have, after a few years in govt they get sucked into the idea they are above the peons and lose any kind of perspective.
People who have no life experience to start with obviously don't have that problem....
How anyone can come straight out of uni and straight into politics is a mystery to me.
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
Ticia
Member
+73|5338

Dilbert_X wrote:

It seems however much real life experience people have, after a few years in govt they get sucked into the idea they are above the peons and lose any kind of perspective.
People who have no life experience to start with obviously don't have that problem....
How anyone can come straight out of uni and straight into politics is a mystery to me.[b]Bold text
If over there is anything like it is here they start in middle school. I remember this kid in my class saying to me the reason he wanted to be the  class rep was because it would look good on his curriculum later on. We were 10.

I found out he works at the ministry of defence now.
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5361|London, England

Ticia wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

It seems however much real life experience people have, after a few years in govt they get sucked into the idea they are above the peons and lose any kind of perspective.
People who have no life experience to start with obviously don't have that problem....
How anyone can come straight out of uni and straight into politics is a mystery to me.[b]Bold text
If over there is anything like it is here they start in middle school. I remember this kid in my class saying to me the reason he wanted to be the  class rep was because it would look good on his curriculum later on. We were 10.

I found out he works at the ministry of defence now.
Portugal has a military?

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Ticia
Member
+73|5338

JohnG@lt wrote:

Ticia wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

It seems however much real life experience people have, after a few years in govt they get sucked into the idea they are above the peons and lose any kind of perspective.
People who have no life experience to start with obviously don't have that problem....
How anyone can come straight out of uni and straight into politics is a mystery to me.[b]Bold text
If over there is anything like it is here they start in middle school. I remember this kid in my class saying to me the reason he wanted to be the  class rep was because it would look good on his curriculum later on. We were 10.

I found out he works at the ministry of defence now.
Portugal has a military?

It thinks it does 
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6719

JohnG@lt wrote:

Ticia wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

It seems however much real life experience people have, after a few years in govt they get sucked into the idea they are above the peons and lose any kind of perspective.
People who have no life experience to start with obviously don't have that problem....
How anyone can come straight out of uni and straight into politics is a mystery to me.[b]Bold text
If over there is anything like it is here they start in middle school. I remember this kid in my class saying to me the reason he wanted to be the  class rep was because it would look good on his curriculum later on. We were 10.

I found out he works at the ministry of defence now.
Portugal has a military?

5 guys with smart cars don't count as an armoured division
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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6408|North Carolina

Pochsy wrote:

So? Client politics is bullshit. We all know that. I call for a technocracy. Neo-functionalist arguments to the max.
Works for me...
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5361|London, England
WASHINGTON—Republican Sen. Bob Corker bucked his party Thursday and began negotiations with Democrats on overhauling financial regulation.

Winning the first-term Tennessee senator's support is perhaps the White House's best chance of passing a financial-overhaul bill this year. Democrats need one Republican to reach the 60 votes required to pass legislation in the Senate. Democrats hope Mr. Corker's support also could bring along other centrist Republicans.

Mr. Corker's involvement means the Federal Reserve could play a bigger role in any overhaul, because the senator has been less critical of the central bank than other leading Republicans.

He also opposes creating a stand-alone consumer-protection agency, an idea already on life support, but might agree to propose other policies governing products such as mortgages.

His move comes less than a week after Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd (D., Conn.) said he had reached an "impasse" with the panel's ranking Republican, Richard Shelby of Alabama.

It essentially leapfrogs Mr. Corker over the Senate's long-established pecking order, and prompted fuming from his Republican colleagues amid a hyperpartisan moment in Washington.

Mr. Corker now finds himself in a position similar to Maine Republican Sen. Olympia Snowe, who was heavily courted, ultimately unsuccessfully, by Democrats for her health-care vote.

In closed-door meetings, Republican lawmakers urged Mr. Corker not to vote for Mr. Dodd's bill without other Republicans, people familiar with the matter said. Many Republicans warned against the risks of breaking ranks.

"I think for us to be effective, we need to stick together," Sen. Judd Gregg (R., N.H.) said earlier in the week.

Mr. Corker has said more effort should be put into a bipartisan deal. On Thursday, he said if Democrats and Republicans worked on their own bills, it would lead to a "train wreck."

Mr. Corker said he was taking the step because the financial system needed to be repaired. He stressed the need for new rules to prevent failing financial companies, such as Lehman Brothers Holdings in 2008, from wrecking the broader economy.

As for new consumer-protection rules, which have proven to be the biggest sticking point in negotiations between Democrats and Republicans, Mr. Corker said he wouldn't agree to anything that lacked a "balance" between protecting consumers and allowing banks to extend credit.

There's no certainty that Mr. Corker will reach a deal with Mr. Dodd. The banking panel could hold a vote on a financial-overhaul bill by early March.

"The likelihood that we have a chance of succeeding is in no small measure because there's a senator named Bob Corker willing to see things through," Mr. Dodd said in an interview.

Since joining the banking panel two years ago, Mr. Corker, 57 years old, has made himself an unlikely negotiator on the Troubled Asset Relief Program, the U.S. automotive sector and now financial regulations.

Mr. Corker started his own construction company when he was 25 and first ran for the Senate in Tennessee in 1994 (he lost in the Republican primary to Bill Frist). Subsequently, he served as Tennessee's finance commissioner and then was elected mayor of Chattanooga, the post he held before he won the Senate seat in 2006, the year Democrats gained control of Congress.

Mr. Corker's growing profile has translated into fund-raising prowess. He has raised more money from the banking and securities industries than any of the committee's other Republicans, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. He has also raised more than all but three of the 13 Democrats.

"Business guys want to get a deal done," Mr. Corker said. "And they want to understand the various issues around that, so you end up in that sweet spot that's a win-win."

His willingness to talk has led to a close partnership with Sen. Mark Warner (D., Va.). Messrs. Warner and Corker negotiated for weeks over how to regulate systemic risk. They also discussed how to break up failing financial companies without using taxpayer-funded bailouts.

At one point, when talks appeared to be hitting a snag, Messrs. Warner and Corker convened a "beer summit" with staff at a Capitol Hill restaurant to break the logjam.

"Both of us were willing to take a few arrows from each of our respective sides if were going to get a good bill," Mr. Warner said.

Republicans have tried for weeks to keep members from breaking ranks, and warned about the perils of negotiating with Mr. Dodd.

"Corker may understand markets well, but he doesn't know how to count votes very well," a GOP Senate aide said.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB2000142 … 35472.html

That last line sums up everything wrong with American politics.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

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