androoz
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My older cousin is interested in majoring in philosophy and is wondering what universities are his best choice? He has family in England so may consider going to study over there too. Also what would be the best minor to have or whatever?
Macbeth
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Any university is good for a major in philosophy. It's useless no matter where you get it from.
androoz
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Macbeth wrote:

Any university is good for a major in philosophy. It's useless no matter where you get it from.
How is it useless?
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SU

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Jay
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Philosophy is a great major if you want to waste a bunch of money on a college education without ever having a hope of repaying student loans or earning more than the local grocer's clerk.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Macbeth
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Philosophy is a great major if you want to waste a bunch of money on a college education without ever having a hope of repaying student loans or earning more than the local grocer's clerk.
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androoz
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Can you guys at least explain why it's not useful? Won't companies need you to like analyze situations or whatever.
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androoz wrote:

Can you guys at least explain why it's not useful? Won't companies need you to like analyze situations or whatever.
You are thinking of marketing and psychology.
Jay
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androoz wrote:

Can you guys at least explain why it's not useful? Won't companies need you to like analyze situations or whatever.
Analyze the situation without coming to any conclusions and turning it into a thousand page treatise that says nothing? Very useful and marketable skills.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Dilbert_X
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Philosophy is a great major if you want to waste a bunch of money on a college education without ever having a hope of repaying student loans or earning more than the local grocer's clerk.
Philosophy is a hobby, not a career.
Get a career, you'll have 20+ hrs a week for a hobby.
Or you can work 80+ hrs a week cleaning cars or flipping burgers, take your pick.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2010-02-07 17:17:01)

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Dilbert_X wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Philosophy is a great major if you want to waste a bunch of money on a college education without ever having a hope of repaying student loans or earning more than the local grocer's clerk.
androoz
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What are some majors that will have a good outlook in the future then?
Macbeth
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Electrical Engineering

Learn to repair toasters
androoz
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Macbeth wrote:

Electrical Engineering

Learn to repair toasters
lol ya EE is cool if you're like a math genius or whatever.
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androoz wrote:

What are some majors that will have a good outlook in the future then?
Forget fucking majors, go to an oilfield and make 100 grand in 6 months.
Jay
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androoz wrote:

What are some majors that will have a good outlook in the future then?
Umm, the only thing that's worth studying in college is stuff that is math or science related. You want to major in English or literature then save the money you would spend on a university education and buy yourself a library. You want to major in journalism or writing? Save your money, buy a smaller library and rent out a house in the south of France or somewhere else interesting that you can write about.

It's rather hard to teach yourself advanced mathematics and expensive to set up your own lab. A BA will net you roughly the wage of a union factory worker throughout your life, a BS will have you making six figures in a few years.

Math rules the world.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Jay
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N00bkilla55404 wrote:

androoz wrote:

What are some majors that will have a good outlook in the future then?
Forget fucking majors, go to an oilfield and make 100 grand in 6 months.
Yeah, but that's in Canadian dollars. Roughly $6.37.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Hurricane2k9
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don't listen to the nerd

Yes, philosophy degrees are largely regarded as 'useless.' That's because there's nothing that's directly related to it. Unless you get lucky and people like your writings and you become the next Plato.

But what you could do, is go to law school. I hear that a lot of law schools like getting philosophy majors, because they know how to think. Yeah, so do engineers etc but whatever. If you do well in school, and do all the required courses, and have some nice extracurrics or work experience then you can probably get a good law school slot. Same with med school (again, you've gotta take the required courses, so usually a fair bit of bio and chem).

Of course if that doesn't pan out then you're generally constrained to jobs that don't require specific degrees. Retail management (if you've got a knack for it though, you can go pretty high), law enforcement, be a commissioned officer in the military, etc.

edit: In regards to "useful majors":

Any kind of engineering
Any hard science, and math
Languages, especially Chinese (although really, to be marketable in Chinese you need to be fluent, which requires some time abroad)
Accounting
Finance

Those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head. Those are majors that will almost always (unless you have a horrible GPA) lead to a pretty good first job, directly related to what you studied.

Last edited by Hurricane2k9 (2010-02-07 17:34:33)

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androoz
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JohnG@lt wrote:

androoz wrote:

What are some majors that will have a good outlook in the future then?
Umm, the only thing that's worth studying in college is stuff that is math or science related. You want to major in English or literature then save the money you would spend on a university education and buy yourself a library. You want to major in journalism or writing? Save your money, buy a smaller library and rent out a house in the south of France or somewhere else interesting that you can write about.

It's rather hard to teach yourself advanced mathematics and expensive to set up your own lab. A BA will net you roughly the wage of a union factory worker throughout your life, a BS will have you making six figures in a few years.

Math rules the world.
Did you go to college after the Army?
Jay
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androoz wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

androoz wrote:

What are some majors that will have a good outlook in the future then?
Umm, the only thing that's worth studying in college is stuff that is math or science related. You want to major in English or literature then save the money you would spend on a university education and buy yourself a library. You want to major in journalism or writing? Save your money, buy a smaller library and rent out a house in the south of France or somewhere else interesting that you can write about.

It's rather hard to teach yourself advanced mathematics and expensive to set up your own lab. A BA will net you roughly the wage of a union factory worker throughout your life, a BS will have you making six figures in a few years.

Math rules the world.
Did you go to college after the Army?
Yes, finishing up my EE degree with a minor in international business.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
androoz
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JohnG@lt wrote:

androoz wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:


Umm, the only thing that's worth studying in college is stuff that is math or science related. You want to major in English or literature then save the money you would spend on a university education and buy yourself a library. You want to major in journalism or writing? Save your money, buy a smaller library and rent out a house in the south of France or somewhere else interesting that you can write about.

It's rather hard to teach yourself advanced mathematics and expensive to set up your own lab. A BA will net you roughly the wage of a union factory worker throughout your life, a BS will have you making six figures in a few years.

Math rules the world.
Did you go to college after the Army?
Yes, finishing up my EE degree with a minor in international business.
Oh you're still in college? Didn't you forget some of the stuff you learned in high school since you were in the Army for a while?
Jay
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Hurricane2k9 wrote:

don't listen to the nerd

Yes, philosophy degrees are largely regarded as 'useless.' That's because there's nothing that's directly related to it. Unless you get lucky and people like your writings and you become the next Plato.

But what you could do, is go to law school. I hear that a lot of law schools like getting philosophy majors, because they know how to think. Yeah, so do engineers etc but whatever. If you do well in school, and do all the required courses, and have some nice extracurrics or work experience then you can probably get a good law school slot. Same with med school (again, you've gotta take the required courses, so usually a fair bit of bio and chem).

Of course if that doesn't pan out then you're generally constrained to jobs that don't require specific degrees. Retail management (if you've got a knack for it though, you can go pretty high), law enforcement, be a commissioned officer in the military, etc.

edit: In regards to "useful majors":

Any kind of engineering
Any hard science, and math
Languages, especially Chinese (although really, to be marketable in Chinese you need to be fluent, which requires some time abroad)
Accounting
Finance

Those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head. Those are majors that will almost always (unless you have a horrible GPA) lead to a pretty good first job, directly related to what you studied.
When white people go away to college, they tend to study what are knowns as the Arts.  This includes actual Art, English, History, Classics, and Philosophy.  These can of course be broken down further into Film, Womyn’s Studies (yes the spelling is correct), Communications, Gender Studies, and so forth.  It is important to note that a high percentage of white people also get degrees in Political Science, which is pretty much like arts, and only seems to have the word “science” in it to make white people feel better about themselves.

These degrees enable white people to spend four yeas of their lives reading books, writing papers and feeling great about themselves.  It is a known fact that Arts students firmly believe that they are doing you/society a favor by not getting a job and reading Proust.  They use this to protest for reduced tuition, more money for the arts, and special reduced student rates on things like bus passes.

But what about the white people who study Science, Engineering or Business?  Unless they become doctors, they essentially lose white person status (and can only be regained by working at a non-profit).

So why would white people spend all that time studying and working to get into college if they are just going to read books that they might have read in their free time?  Because white people have it made.  They can take that degree and easily parlay it into a non profit job, an art gallery job, or work in publishing. If the pay is low, no problem, their parents will happily help out with rent until they magically start making six figures or non-magically turn 40.

White people can also take that degree and go to graduate school (future post) and eventually become a professor or adjunct professor where they will still require parental support.

If they are REALLY ambitious and need to make money, they can take that degree and go to Law School.

But the real reason white people need these degrees is so that they can sound smart at parties.  Of course it trickles down to making connections, getting hired, knowing rich people, and so forth.  But ultimately it all begins by saying “reading Henry James was the most rewarding part of undergrad.”

Using this to your advantage can be very difficult as attempts to talk about the books they skimmed while hungover can expose you.  It is best to say that you were a first generation college student and your parents demanded that you study math, chemistry, economics or computer science.  You had to read Joyce on your own.
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/02 … s-degrees/
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Macbeth
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

don't listen to the nerd

Yes, philosophy degrees are largely regarded as 'useless.' That's because there's nothing that's directly related to it. Unless you get lucky and people like your writings and you become the next Plato.

But what you could do, is go to law school. I hear that a lot of law schools like getting philosophy majors, because they know how to think. Yeah, so do engineers etc but whatever. If you do well in school, and do all the required courses, and have some nice extracurrics or work experience then you can probably get a good law school slot. Same with med school (again, you've gotta take the required courses, so usually a fair bit of bio and chem).

Of course if that doesn't pan out then you're generally constrained to jobs that don't require specific degrees. Retail management (if you've got a knack for it though, you can go pretty high), law enforcement, be a commissioned officer in the military, etc.

edit: In regards to "useful majors":

Any kind of engineering
Any hard science, and math
Languages, especially Chinese (although really, to be marketable in Chinese you need to be fluent, which requires some time abroad)
Accounting
Finance

Those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head. Those are majors that will almost always (unless you have a horrible GPA) lead to a pretty good first job, directly related to what you studied.
When white people go away to college, they tend to study what are knowns as the Arts.  This includes actual Art, English, History, Classics, and Philosophy.  These can of course be broken down further into Film, Womyn’s Studies (yes the spelling is correct), Communications, Gender Studies, and so forth.  It is important to note that a high percentage of white people also get degrees in Political Science, which is pretty much like arts, and only seems to have the word “science” in it to make white people feel better about themselves.

These degrees enable white people to spend four yeas of their lives reading books, writing papers and feeling great about themselves.  It is a known fact that Arts students firmly believe that they are doing you/society a favor by not getting a job and reading Proust.  They use this to protest for reduced tuition, more money for the arts, and special reduced student rates on things like bus passes.

But what about the white people who study Science, Engineering or Business?  Unless they become doctors, they essentially lose white person status (and can only be regained by working at a non-profit).

So why would white people spend all that time studying and working to get into college if they are just going to read books that they might have read in their free time?  Because white people have it made.  They can take that degree and easily parlay it into a non profit job, an art gallery job, or work in publishing. If the pay is low, no problem, their parents will happily help out with rent until they magically start making six figures or non-magically turn 40.

White people can also take that degree and go to graduate school (future post) and eventually become a professor or adjunct professor where they will still require parental support.

If they are REALLY ambitious and need to make money, they can take that degree and go to Law School.

But the real reason white people need these degrees is so that they can sound smart at parties.  Of course it trickles down to making connections, getting hired, knowing rich people, and so forth.  But ultimately it all begins by saying “reading Henry James was the most rewarding part of undergrad.”

Using this to your advantage can be very difficult as attempts to talk about the books they skimmed while hungover can expose you.  It is best to say that you were a first generation college student and your parents demanded that you study math, chemistry, economics or computer science.  You had to read Joyce on your own.
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/02 … s-degrees/
Nice link there. Racist.
Reported.
Jay
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androoz wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

androoz wrote:


Did you go to college after the Army?
Yes, finishing up my EE degree with a minor in international business.
Oh you're still in college? Didn't you forget some of the stuff you learned in high school since you were in the Army for a while?
Like how to tie my shoes? No. Most of the stuff you learn in college is different than what you were taught in high school. Whereas everything in high school builds on previous stuff you learned, college is different because you bounce around and every course is pretty much stand-alone. Sure, some prior knowledge is required but it's not off the wall crazy unless you're in Abstract Math.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

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