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Acting Your Age Continues To Be A Felony
I keep posting about this because it keeps happening. From the Chicago Tribune, yet another case of teens being recast as child exploiters and kiddie pornographers. Who are they exploiting? Um...themselves. Kristen Schorsch reports:
Last week, two middle school students in Valparaiso, Ind., were caught sending nude pictures of themselves to each other on their cell phones. The students were caught when the 13-year-old girl's cell phone rang in class, and her teacher confiscated it, according to a police report. The girl cried that she would get in trouble because a 12-year-old boy sent her a "dirty picture."
The boy sent the girl a picture of his genitals and requested that she do the same, the report said. The girl then texted him a picture of her naked, police said.
The students have been charged with child exploitation and possession of child pornography, both felonies. They were referred to the county's juvenile probation department, which will determine whether authorities pursue or drop the charges, Gensel said. If convicted, the students could be required to register as sex offenders, he said.
If, increasingly, sex offenders are just teens who got caught goofing off, the label "sex offender" should eventually lose some of its stigma. Uh...don't think that's a good thing, and it's especially not a good thing that a minor violation that should be dealt with with a stern talking-to by parents ends up dogging kids for the rest of their lives.
We're really funny about nudity in this country. As I wrote the other day, a sturdy blonde lady felt me up at the Vegas airport to make sure that it was just boob material in my bra; that I wasn't going to go all exploding breastesses for Allah.
Well, I don't like being touched by people I don't want to be touched by, so I offered to just lift up my sweater and show her my boobs. Declined. Firmly declined. And I got the distinct impression that there might be an arrest in my future if my sweater and I lifted and separated.
Meanwhile, in France, there are exposed nipples on the subway (Relax! They're in posters!), and their society isn't collapsing. Well, not from the exposed nipples, anyway.
You agree that nothing bad happens from showing off a little nippleage? Prove it
j/k
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Seems like a slow news day article...
You should probably post your own opinion in the form of text instead of a single smiley, to get some sort of discussion-turn israel bashing rolling.
You should probably post your own opinion in the form of text instead of a single smiley, to get some sort of discussion-turn israel bashing rolling.
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I don't understand you rolling your eyes at the story. What are you trying to say?
The US economy is a giant Ponzi scheme. And 'to big to fail' is code speak for 'niahnahniahniahnah 99 percenters'
Yeah dumb story I agree. Instead of holding 'America' to task the author should hold the prosecutors (you know, the people who decided to charge the kids with the crimes) to task. Seems pointless to indict 'America' instead of specifically going after the people responsible.
Anything else you'd like to talk about while we're here?
Anything else you'd like to talk about while we're here?
Your people or your laws?KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Yeah dumb story I agree. Instead of holding 'America' to task the author should hold the prosecutors (you know, the people who decided to charge the kids with the crimes) to task. Seems pointless to indict 'America' instead of specifically going after the people responsible.
Anything else you'd like to talk about while we're here?
And not really i'll just keep rolling my eyes, thank you.
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I don't know, what do you think the author is getting at in saying, "Just grow up, America"? If it is the people that "continue to see nudity as a crime", well, that's a faction of people, not "America".Ticia wrote:
Your people or your laws?KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Yeah dumb story I agree. Instead of holding 'America' to task the author should hold the prosecutors (you know, the people who decided to charge the kids with the crimes) to task. Seems pointless to indict 'America' instead of specifically going after the people responsible.
Anything else you'd like to talk about while we're here?
And not really i'll just keep rolling my eyes, thank you.
I take issue with this because pining on about a generic entity "America" is pointless and does no justice to the issue of laws being open to interpretation for a reason and the hijacking of personal freedom by moral socialists (the people that "continue to see nudity as a crime" as the author puts it). Yes, we have child pornography laws to punish people who exploit children. No, children shouldn't be punished under those laws. Is the fact that these kids were indicted under those charges a problem with the laws or the way they are being interpreted?
Well you are right about one thing America has always had a problem with interpretation, just take the Bible.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I don't know, what do you think the author is getting at in saying, "Just grow up, America"? If it is the people that "continue to see nudity as a crime", well, that's a faction of people, not "America".Ticia wrote:
Your people or your laws?KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Yeah dumb story I agree. Instead of holding 'America' to task the author should hold the prosecutors (you know, the people who decided to charge the kids with the crimes) to task. Seems pointless to indict 'America' instead of specifically going after the people responsible.
Anything else you'd like to talk about while we're here?
And not really i'll just keep rolling my eyes, thank you.
I take issue with this because pining on about a generic entity "America" is pointless and does no justice to the issue of laws being open to interpretation for a reason and the hijacking of personal freedom by moral socialists (the people that "continue to see nudity as a crime" as the author puts it). Yes, we have child pornography laws to punish people who exploit children. No, children shouldn't be punished under those laws. Is the fact that these kids were indicted under those charges a problem with the laws or the way they are being interpreted?
Every country has anti-pedophilia laws and yet we only here about this nonsense in the US,how come?
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=134829Ticia wrote:
Every country has anti-pedophilia laws and yet we only here about this nonsense in the US,how come?
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What?Ticia wrote:
Well you are right about one thing America has always had a problem with interpretation, just take the Bible.
Because we are the City upon a Hill.Ticia wrote:
Every country has anti-pedophilia laws and yet we only here about this nonsense in the US,how come?
18) Pedophilia trial fiasco leaves France stunned
France - International Herald Tribune, France - May 20, 2004
http://www.iht.com/articles/520750.html
After the main witness in a pedophilia case admitted that she made up much of the story that destroyed the lives of more than a dozen people, France is facing a painful deconstruction of how such a fraud could have been taken so seriously by so many people for so long. "The case proves that the legal system is on its last legs as we have now seen the total negation of any presumption of innocence," Hubert Delarue, the attorney for one of the accused, told Agence France-Presse. "I'm sick, I'm a liar, I lied about everything," she told a stunned courtroom, pointing out several of the accused who had endured three years of investigation and the humiliation of a nationally publicized trial. But Europe had already been outraged by extensive pedophile cases in Portugal and Belgium, both of which carried as yet unproven allegations of pedophile rings that reached into the upper echelons of society. The trial decimated the lives of 18 people, with one committing suicide and another losing custody of her children, while sending France into a paroxysm of soul-searching. As with the pedophile case, even the most serious French news media were quick to lend credence to accusations despite contradictions and the questionable character of the people making the claims.
I could go on and on. You must get out or read the news much OP.23) Portuguese TV star on child sex charges
Portugal - The Guardian, UK - June 2, 2004
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international … 28,00.html
Portugal's most famous television personality is among eight people to have been indicted on paedophilia charges, according to court documents yesterday. Carlos Cruz, known in Portugal as "Mr TV" after presenting a series of popular programmes over the past two decades, will go on trial for allegedly participating in sex sessions with young boys from the state-run Casa Pia children's homes. Public hysteria reached a peak at Christmas when a Portuguese newspaper reported that President Jorge Sampaio had been named in an anonymous letter to investigators. A former secretary of state for families, Teresa Costa Macedo, said Portugal's former president, General Ramalho Eanes, was told by former Casa Pia boys some 20 years ago of abuse there.
Sober enough to know what I'm doing, drunk enough to really enjoy doing it
Ooh sweet. Mods unite!
Sober enough to know what I'm doing, drunk enough to really enjoy doing it
Burnzz is not a mod...yetKing_County_Downy wrote:
Ooh sweet. Mods unite!
Lame try. Tell me a story about kids sending eachother text messages on trial and then we'll talk.King_County_Downy wrote:
18) Pedophilia trial fiasco leaves France stunned
France - International Herald Tribune, France - May 20, 2004
http://www.iht.com/articles/520750.html
After the main witness in a pedophilia case admitted that she made up much of the story that destroyed the lives of more than a dozen people, France is facing a painful deconstruction of how such a fraud could have been taken so seriously by so many people for so long. "The case proves that the legal system is on its last legs as we have now seen the total negation of any presumption of innocence," Hubert Delarue, the attorney for one of the accused, told Agence France-Presse. "I'm sick, I'm a liar, I lied about everything," she told a stunned courtroom, pointing out several of the accused who had endured three years of investigation and the humiliation of a nationally publicized trial. But Europe had already been outraged by extensive pedophile cases in Portugal and Belgium, both of which carried as yet unproven allegations of pedophile rings that reached into the upper echelons of society. The trial decimated the lives of 18 people, with one committing suicide and another losing custody of her children, while sending France into a paroxysm of soul-searching. As with the pedophile case, even the most serious French news media were quick to lend credence to accusations despite contradictions and the questionable character of the people making the claims.I could go on and on. You must get out or read the news much OP.23) Portuguese TV star on child sex charges
Portugal - The Guardian, UK - June 2, 2004
http://www.guardian.co.uk/international … 28,00.html
Portugal's most famous television personality is among eight people to have been indicted on paedophilia charges, according to court documents yesterday. Carlos Cruz, known in Portugal as "Mr TV" after presenting a series of popular programmes over the past two decades, will go on trial for allegedly participating in sex sessions with young boys from the state-run Casa Pia children's homes. Public hysteria reached a peak at Christmas when a Portuguese newspaper reported that President Jorge Sampaio had been named in an anonymous letter to investigators. A former secretary of state for families, Teresa Costa Macedo, said Portugal's former president, General Ramalho Eanes, was told by former Casa Pia boys some 20 years ago of abuse there.
So this is the problem? Sexting?
meh
Let me rephrase that... The issue you have with America is that sexting is in the news? Do you think child pornography should be allowed and/or not discussed in the media?
meh
Let me rephrase that... The issue you have with America is that sexting is in the news? Do you think child pornography should be allowed and/or not discussed in the media?
Sober enough to know what I'm doing, drunk enough to really enjoy doing it
Lawmakers I guarantee did not have this in mind when the legislation was written. There will be a 'gitch bill' on the way. Just like FL did. Democracy isn't perfect but it sure beats the shit outta the system in france.
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Waste of tax money.
Show me where in the article you reference that the kids were on trial.Ticia wrote:
Lame try. Tell me a story about kids sending eachother text messages on trial and then we'll talk.
Reading comprehension goes a long way in debate.They were referred to the county's juvenile probation department, which will determine whether authorities pursue or drop the charges, Gensel said.
It's funny you should say that. France's system, government-wise, resembles ours much more than say that of... the U.K. for example.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Lawmakers I guarantee did not have this in mind when the legislation was written. There will be a 'gitch bill' on the way. Just like FL did. Democracy isn't perfect but it sure beats the shit outta the system in france.
France certainly has a better healthcare system than ours. They also have a more functional outlook on sex as well.
I hear ya, but Ticia's point remains...KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I don't know, what do you think the author is getting at in saying, "Just grow up, America"? If it is the people that "continue to see nudity as a crime", well, that's a faction of people, not "America".Ticia wrote:
Your people or your laws?KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Yeah dumb story I agree. Instead of holding 'America' to task the author should hold the prosecutors (you know, the people who decided to charge the kids with the crimes) to task. Seems pointless to indict 'America' instead of specifically going after the people responsible.
Anything else you'd like to talk about while we're here?
And not really i'll just keep rolling my eyes, thank you.
I take issue with this because pining on about a generic entity "America" is pointless and does no justice to the issue of laws being open to interpretation for a reason and the hijacking of personal freedom by moral socialists (the people that "continue to see nudity as a crime" as the author puts it). Yes, we have child pornography laws to punish people who exploit children. No, children shouldn't be punished under those laws. Is the fact that these kids were indicted under those charges a problem with the laws or the way they are being interpreted?
We have a Puritanical heritage that results in more ass-backwards social conservatism especially with regard to sex than most of Western Europe has.
The issue i have with America is how far your child pornography battle has gone. The prudery of a country of porn lovers it's just laughable.King_County_Downy wrote:
So this is the problem? Sexting?
meh
Let me rephrase that... The issue you have with America is that sexting is in the news? Do you think child pornography should be allowed and/or not discussed in the media?
If he wants to prove a point then he better kick it up a notch.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Show me where in the article you reference that the kids were on trial.Ticia wrote:
Lame try. Tell me a story about kids sending eachother text messages on trial and then we'll talk.Reading comprehension goes a long way in debate.They were referred to the county's juvenile probation department, which will determine whether authorities pursue or drop the charges, Gensel said.
But showing nipples in a subway ad isn't the same as two kids sending lewd pictures of each other being investigated for child pornography.
@Ticia - the kids in the article aren't on trial yet. If you want to make a point you have to understand what you are reading.
What is your point?
@Ticia - the kids in the article aren't on trial yet. If you want to make a point you have to understand what you are reading.
What is your point?
Well, Thomas Jefferson wrote their constitution, what do you expect?Turquoise wrote:
It's funny you should say that. France's system, government-wise, resembles ours much more than say that of... the U.K. for example.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Lawmakers I guarantee did not have this in mind when the legislation was written. There will be a 'gitch bill' on the way. Just like FL did. Democracy isn't perfect but it sure beats the shit outta the system in france.
France certainly has a better healthcare system than ours. They also have a more functional outlook on sex as well.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat