Yeah, but the US is fighting half way around the world, while its China's back yard, and 10-15 years from now, the difference in training and technology between the two forces will be minimal. Just look at the improvements they have made between 1990-2000 or 2000-2010. Military spending also is relative to the countries. With the PRC they are able to take short cuts that would be impossible for the US to take, in things such as safety, stealing information, ignoring copyright laws, government can virtually set its prices, etc. I'd go so far to say that even with the great disparity in spending, the Chinese are getting a much higher return for each dollar(or in their case yaun) spent compared to the US.Cybargs wrote:
Well from a logistical and military experience standpoint, the US does have an upper hand when you consider the amount of spending the US has. A large army doesn't really mean shit modern day IMO (especially if they can't shoot for shit). US is still very far ahead in a large amount of military equipment compared to the Chinese. A professional army will always beat a bunch of conscripts (conventional war wise).Commie Killer wrote:
Yeah. I agree, though at the moment, I don't see where there is a possibility of land combat, except for a few special forces raids by each side.jord wrote:
It's hard enough predicting who will win at platoon level, ie <100 people. I don't think we can predict a land, sea and air battle involving millions of soldiers with 2 of the biggest forces in the 21st century.
EDIT: Misread your post, I thought you were only talking about platoon level combat, but you are right. Its impossible to accurately predict whats going to happen. Who knows what the situation is going to be when the match is lighted, who knows who will get the first blows, who knows how far both sides will be willing to take it. I believe it will happen, eventually. In my mind I equate both the west, and China, as the nations before WWI. Too proud to back down, too unwilling to admit we might be wrong, etc.
rename D&ST to WW3 chat
Russia (and China) already does and nobody raises a stink.Dilbert_X wrote:
Would it be an issue if China were selling advanced missile systems to Cuba or Venezuela?
Of course not, there would be no accusations of China interfering with US interests, or threatening the US by proxy...
So your argument is moot.
Like normal.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Ding ding... the Rooskies sell to the Iranians.FEOS wrote:
Russia (and China) already does and nobody raises a stink.Dilbert_X wrote:
Would it be an issue if China were selling advanced missile systems to Cuba or Venezuela?
Of course not, there would be no accusations of China interfering with US interests, or threatening the US by proxy...
So your argument is moot.
Like normal.
I repeat my initial statement that everyone should take an elementary IR course before attempting to analyze this issue. It make everything significantly clearer and reduces the capacity for unnecessary equivocation.
The US blubs like crazy, as they did over the Cuban missile crisis, when they already had nuclear missiles based in Turkey.FEOS wrote:
Russia (and China) already does and nobody raises a stink.Dilbert_X wrote:
Would it be an issue if China were selling advanced missile systems to Cuba or Venezuela?
Of course not, there would be no accusations of China interfering with US interests, or threatening the US by proxy...
Double standards and a childish approach to international relations TBH.
Fuck Israel
that and a few mega tonnage of nukes, amirite?
For a third time, this debate will be taken to a real intellectual level once you have a basic grasp of international relations theory.Dilbert_X wrote:
The US blubs like crazy, as they did over the Cuban missile crisis, when they already had nuclear missiles based in Turkey.FEOS wrote:
Russia (and China) already does and nobody raises a stink.Dilbert_X wrote:
Would it be an issue if China were selling advanced missile systems to Cuba or Venezuela?
Of course not, there would be no accusations of China interfering with US interests, or threatening the US by proxy...
Double standards and a childish approach to international relations TBH.
Give up nuk. Dilbert doesn't care for political realism.nukchebi0 wrote:
For a third time, this debate will be taken to a real intellectual level once you have a basic grasp of international relations theory.Dilbert_X wrote:
The US blubs like crazy, as they did over the Cuban missile crisis, when they already had nuclear missiles based in Turkey.FEOS wrote:
Russia (and China) already does and nobody raises a stink.
Double standards and a childish approach to international relations TBH.
It's evil to him or something.
Lets hear it then smarty-pants.nukchebi0 wrote:
For a third time, this debate will be taken to a real intellectual level once you have a basic grasp of international relations theory.
Fuck Israel
One forum post can't effectively encapsulate the knowledge gained through a semester-long course at a university, and since I should be editing an essay, I'm not even going to try. Read up on realism, liberalism, and constructivist IR theory for a decent introduction. John Mearsheimer and other realist authors are especially relevant to this discussion.Dilbert_X wrote:
Lets hear it then smarty-pants.nukchebi0 wrote:
For a third time, this debate will be taken to a real intellectual level once you have a basic grasp of international relations theory.
Also, to whoever gave him the anonymous karma (i.e ig/pos) - get real.
You would have been able to write a reasonable summary in the time it took you to blow yourself and check my karma.
Fuck Israel
i think china is ok to bitch about it. we would bitch if china sold weapons to mexico for example.
I don't even feel like copy and pasting what liberalism in IR is.Wikipedia wrote:
Realism, also known as political realism (not to be confused with Realpolitik), is a school of international relations that prioritizes national interest and security, rather than ideals, social reconstructions, or ethics. This term is often synonymous with power politics.
Realist theories share the following key assumptions:
* The international system is anarchic. There is no authority above states capable of regulating their interactions; states must arrive at relations with other states on their own, rather than it being dictated to them by some higher controlling entity.
* Sovereign states are the principal actors in the international system and special attention is afforded to great powers as they have the most leverage on the international stage. International institutions, non-governmental organizations, multinational corporations, individuals and other sub-state or trans-state actors are viewed as having little independent influence.
* States are rational unitary actors each moving towards their own national interest. There is a general distrust of long-term cooperation or alliance.
* The overriding 'national interest' of each state is its national security and survival.
* In pursuit of national security, states strive to amass resources.
* Relations between states are determined by their comparative level of power derived primarily from their military and economic capabilities.
* There are no universal principles which all states can use to guide their actions. Instead, a state must be ever aware of the actions of the states around it and must use a pragmatic approach to resolve the problems that arise.
* The injection of morality into international relations causes reckless commitments, diplomatic rigidity, and the escalation of conflict.
That isn't really true, but I'll presume you mean that you are heading to the library to check out a copy of The Tragedy of Great Power Politics.Dilbert_X wrote:
You would have been able to write a reasonable summary in the time it took you to blow yourself and check my karma.
Your Ivy League elitism is showing Just sayin'.nukchebi0 wrote:
That isn't really true, but I'll presume you mean that you are heading to the library to check out a copy of The Tragedy of Great Power Politics.Dilbert_X wrote:
You would have been able to write a reasonable summary in the time it took you to blow yourself and check my karma.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Um, you know this a video-game forum?nukchebi0 wrote:
That isn't really true, but I'll presume you mean that you are heading to the library to check out a copy of The Tragedy of Great Power Politics.Dilbert_X wrote:
You would have been able to write a reasonable summary in the time it took you to blow yourself and check my karma.
If you've got no argument go back to your essay.
Fuck Israel
didnt a lot of those investment bankers and such who fucked us go to the ivy league? not to mention politicians? not impressed tbh.
Hush you philistine.JohnG@lt wrote:
Your Ivy League elitism is showing Just sayin'.nukchebi0 wrote:
That isn't really true, but I'll presume you mean that you are heading to the library to check out a copy of The Tragedy of Great Power Politics.Dilbert_X wrote:
You would have been able to write a reasonable summary in the time it took you to blow yourself and check my karma.
Spoiler (highlight to read):
I'm amazed I knew how to spell that.
and11 Bravo wrote:
i think china is ok to bitch about it. we would bitch if china sold weapons to mexico for example.
@ nukchebio Stick your books up your butt and come back with an argument.didnt a lot of those investment bankers and such who fucked us go to the ivy league? not to mention politicians? not impressed tbh.
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Fuck Israel
Yeah, that describes me perfectlyMacbeth wrote:
Hush you philistine.JohnG@lt wrote:
Your Ivy League elitism is showing Just sayin'.nukchebi0 wrote:
That isn't really true, but I'll presume you mean that you are heading to the library to check out a copy of The Tragedy of Great Power Politics.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
There is no argument for me to offer because I don't feel a need to argue against US "hypocrisy" if you fail to understand why they act like that. I would like to inform you, but there is no easy or simple way to do so, which is why I noted you need to take a class on IR theory or do substantial reading of key works before you really understand it.
This being a video game forum excuses uninformed anti-US ranting? Please.Dilbert_X wrote:
Um, you know this a video-game forum?nukchebi0 wrote:
That isn't really true, but I'll presume you mean that you are heading to the library to check out a copy of The Tragedy of Great Power Politics.Dilbert_X wrote:
You would have been able to write a reasonable summary in the time it took you to blow yourself and check my karma.
If you've got no argument go back to your essay.
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You come across as a douchebag if you name yourself after a character from a fictional story.JohnG@lt wrote:
Yeah, that describes me perfectlyMacbeth wrote:
Hush you philistine.JohnG@lt wrote:
Your Ivy League elitism is showing Just sayin'.
oh wait nvm .fml.
Self-serving assholes exist everywhere; those that make it into the Ivy League are just better equipped to be ones on a large scale. Many people here are good, so don't instantly associate "Ivy League" with "messed up country."11 Bravo wrote:
didnt a lot of those investment bankers and such who fucked us go to the ivy league? not to mention politicians? not impressed tbh.
thats fair man...just sayin.nukchebi0 wrote:
Self-serving assholes exist everywhere; those that make it into the Ivy League are just better equipped to be ones on a large scale. Many people here are good, so don't instantly associate "Ivy League" with "messed up country."11 Bravo wrote:
didnt a lot of those investment bankers and such who fucked us go to the ivy league? not to mention politicians? not impressed tbh.