eleven bravo
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ruisleipa wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

ruisleipa wrote:

I suppose you'd like Georhge Bush to be assassinated too yeah? Maybe we can agree on that then...
why change your post douche.  I dont like GW, your barking up the wrong tree.  Obviously your back to resorting to your generic replies and anti americanism.

I guess that means I win.  too easy.
Well I changed my post because I made a mistake. It's what the 'edit' button is for lmao. But what's your point? Warmongers should be assassinated? Or what? If you want to see my arguments you can go read my reply to Cybargs post.

And I LOL with the 'anti-americanism' bullshit you keep bringing up erroneously. Anyone who criticises America is 'anti-american'?? LOL so stupid! So I guess you think I'm 'anti-Israel' because I think their policy of assassination is wrong - a point you have completely failed to address, I might add.

oh, and if you want to 'win' why don't you go play a game or something? No-one ever 'wins' in DST haven't you noticed? Although you're quite good at calling me a 'douche' all the time, so well done, very mature, etc. *slow handclap*

You're obviously back to just making crappy 'satirical' replies to my posts without considering what I'm saying. Guess that means I 'win' yeah? Too easy?
naw, I won before you did.
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ruisleipa
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eleven bravo wrote:

naw, I won before you did.
LOL yeah well done. I got 'beaten' by a ten-year-old on an internet forum. loool. Come back when you have something to contribute to the  discussion, yeah? kthxbye
eleven bravo
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I believe I did and you just got your panties in a bunch because I called out your one sidedness. Where is your outrage when Iran tells hamas to go and kill a bunch of civilians or to launch worthless rockets off the tops of hospitals and schools.  I could tell you right now, I dont like people that consider themselves enemies of my nation, like Iran, like Hamas.  So, when I hear about bad things happening to these actors, I am far from upset.  You, on the other hand, do the same thing except you try to portray your argument as if its the just and only correct one. From the little ive read from your posts you remind me of such legendary posters as rammunition, ironchef or shitsu.  Very subjective, very one sided, very Lowingesque.  Id bet you were an angry teen ager the way you rant about isral and religion.  Youve got some growing up to do kiddo.
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ruisleipa wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

naw, I won before you did.
LOL yeah well done. I got 'beaten' by a ten-year-old on an internet forum. loool. Come back when you have something to contribute to the  discussion, yeah? kthxbye
Twenty-five mike-mike.

Reading the report, where it says the guy died from electrocution and perhaps strangulation, I'm wondering if that's how the two IDF soldiers he kidnapped were killed.
Jay
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ruisleipa wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Good.
YAAAY! ONe of the USA's staunchest allies engages in extra-judicial mureders and assassinations!!! YAAAY! Go Israel! Woot! Now the world's much safer!!!! YAy!

Fuckin cunts the lot of em.
So the suicide bombings targeting buses and the RPGs fired over the border into Israel are justified then? They aren't allowed to retaliate? Weird.
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ruisleipa
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JohnG@lt wrote:

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So the suicide bombings targeting buses and the RPGs fired over the border into Israel are justified then? They aren't allowed to retaliate? Weird.
galt I refer you to my previous answer earlier in the thread.

Reading the report, where it says the guy died from electrocution and perhaps strangulation, I'm wondering if that's how the two IDF soldiers he kidnapped were killed.
wonder all you like. An eye for an eye yeah?

I believe I did and you just got your panties in a bunch because I called out your one sidedness. Where is your outrage when Iran tells hamas to go and kill a bunch of civilians or to launch worthless rockets off the tops of hospitals and schools.  I could tell you right now, I dont like people that consider themselves enemies of my nation, like Iran, like Hamas.  So, when I hear about bad things happening to these actors, I am far from upset.  You, on the other hand, do the same thing except you try to portray your argument as if its the just and only correct one. From the little ive read from your posts you remind me of such legendary posters as rammunition, ironchef or shitsu.  Very subjective, very one sided, very Lowingesque.  Id bet you were an angry teen ager the way you rant about isral and religion.  Youve got some growing up to do kiddo.
Well, prove that Iran are 'telling' hamas to do shit, or post a thread about rockets etc and I might respond. but that's not what this thread is about is it? I notice you haven't actually addressed any of my points or arguments, just stating your own prejudices against my points of view. I don't believe Iran or Hamas have ever attacked the US so how are they your 'enemies'? You make your own enemies, 'kiddo', like you make your own friends too.
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ruisleipa wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

[
So the suicide bombings targeting buses and the RPGs fired over the border into Israel are justified then? They aren't allowed to retaliate? Weird.
galt I refer you to my previous answer earlier in the thread.

Reading the report, where it says the guy died from electrocution and perhaps strangulation, I'm wondering if that's how the two IDF soldiers he kidnapped were killed.
wonder all you like. An eye for an eye yeah?

I believe I did and you just got your panties in a bunch because I called out your one sidedness. Where is your outrage when Iran tells hamas to go and kill a bunch of civilians or to launch worthless rockets off the tops of hospitals and schools.  I could tell you right now, I dont like people that consider themselves enemies of my nation, like Iran, like Hamas.  So, when I hear about bad things happening to these actors, I am far from upset.  You, on the other hand, do the same thing except you try to portray your argument as if its the just and only correct one. From the little ive read from your posts you remind me of such legendary posters as rammunition, ironchef or shitsu.  Very subjective, very one sided, very Lowingesque.  Id bet you were an angry teen ager the way you rant about isral and religion.  Youve got some growing up to do kiddo.
Well, prove that Iran are 'telling' hamas to do shit, or post a thread about rockets etc and I might respond. but that's not what this thread is about is it? I notice you haven't actually addressed any of my points or arguments, just stating your own prejudices against my points of view. I don't believe Iran or Hamas have ever attacked the US so how are they your 'enemies'? You make your own enemies, 'kiddo', like you make your own friends too.
You're an idiot. Remember the West Bank conflict a year back? Yeah all the weapons were traced back to Iran and Egypt. Hmm.
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Cybargs wrote:

You're an idiot. Remember the West Bank conflict a year back? Yeah all the weapons were traced back to Iran and Egypt. Hmm.
Thank you again for the personal insult. Nice one. Thank you again for ignoring all my points in response to you. Thank you also for arguing something without pointing out the relevance to the OP or my previous points. This thread is about israel allegedly murdering someone, it's very simple.

As for your argument that Iran and Egypt supplied hamas with weapons, even if that is true, who is it who supplies Israel with their weapons? I wonder...does that make it OK in that case, but not OK for anyone to supply Hamas with anything? What amazing hypocrisy.
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ruisleipa wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

You're an idiot. Remember the West Bank conflict a year back? Yeah all the weapons were traced back to Iran and Egypt. Hmm.
Thank you again for the personal insult. Nice one. Thank you again for ignoring all my points in response to you. Thank you also for arguing something without pointing out the relevance to the OP or my previous points. This thread is about israel allegedly murdering someone, it's very simple.

As for your argument that Iran and Egypt supplied hamas with weapons, even if that is true, who is it who supplies Israel with their weapons? I wonder...does that make it OK in that case, but not OK for anyone to supply Hamas with anything? What amazing hypocrisy.
At least Israeli gov isn't recognized as a terrorist organization by most of the democratic world. Hmm, making threats of genocide and reference to the holocaust to the Jews won't get them edgy eh? You have to remember the shit that Hamas says gets Israel real fucking edgy. How would you like it if neighboring Russia launches rockets into hospitals and schools on a regular basis, in addition calling all Finns a "curse" of the world who should be bathed in a holy fire.

Next time when Israel starts leveling entire cities, give me a call.
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ruisleipa wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

You're an idiot. Remember the West Bank conflict a year back? Yeah all the weapons were traced back to Iran and Egypt. Hmm.
Thank you again for the personal insult. Nice one. Thank you again for ignoring all my points in response to you. Thank you also for arguing something without pointing out the relevance to the OP or my previous points. This thread is about israel allegedly murdering someone, it's very simple.

As for your argument that Iran and Egypt supplied hamas with weapons, even if that is true, who is it who supplies Israel with their weapons? I wonder...does that make it OK in that case, but not OK for anyone to supply Hamas with anything? What amazing hypocrisy.
Nobody selling weapons to Israel tries to cover up the fact.
ruisleipa
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M.O.A.B wrote:

Nobody selling weapons to Israel tries to cover up the fact.
Ever? Even if true, that makes it OK does it?

Cybargs wrote:

At least Israeli gov isn't recognized as a terrorist organization by most of the democratic world. Hmm, making threats of genocide and reference to the holocaust to the Jews won't get them edgy eh? You have to remember the shit that Hamas says gets Israel real fucking edgy. How would you like it if neighboring Russia launches rockets into hospitals and schools on a regular basis, in addition calling all Finns a "curse" of the world who should be bathed in a holy fire.
Yeah, OK, Hamas, or parts of it, is/are considered a terrorist organisation(s) by some countries, that is true. It is also true that Israel has repeatedly been accused of breaches of international law, UN resolutions and human rights, and its armed forces have killed many many times more civilian deaths in Palestine than any home-made shite quality rockets that have been launched by Hamas or anyone else. As far as hitting hospitals and schools goes, I'd imagine it's a miracle that they hit anything at all to be honest. So what's Israel's excuse when Apache helicopters fire rockets into civilian neighbourhoods, or snipers shoot children? In one of your earlier posts you said, "Better killing a guy in a hotel room than blowing up a block," so it seems that you already understand the general attitude concerning assassinations anyway.

I'm not trying to jutify bomb attacks on civilians in Israel, or the use of civilians as human shields, can I just point out, which obviously are also completely unjustifiable.

It's true that there's a lot of bullshit spoken on both sides by their respective politicians, and Israel might indeed get real fucking edgy about just about anything. You don't think, however, that what Israel says and does gets people in Palestine, and all over the world really, pretty fucking edgy too?

As for your final argument concerning Russia, I think it would be a much more apt comparison, given the respective power of Russia and Finland compared with Israel and Palestine, to consider Russia claiming Finnish land as its right under a religious pretext, and using its military might to try and crush Finland, annex native Finns, deny us human rights and maybe build a wall or something cutting the country in two, which they might even have done if the Finns hadn't repelled their attacks in WWII, not the other way round. In which case, I might even get pissed off enough to consider Russians a curse on the world, too.

In any case, while this is all very interesting, if we can get back to considering the OP, I don't see what any of this has to do with Israel assassinating people, which, I think I've made fairly clear, I do not consider morally or legally justifiable actions. Please note that if Israel were responsible for this particular example, it even took place in another country, and not in Israel or Palestine. But this has happened many times before, of course. Let's just consider that the Taliban, who I think you'll agree the US is at war with, assassinated one of your political leaders? Obama or Pailn, whichever you like the most. You'd think that was OK yeah? A justified military action, acceptable within the bounds of war and law?
Jay
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ruisleipa wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Nobody selling weapons to Israel tries to cover up the fact.
Ever? Even if true, that makes it OK does it?

Cybargs wrote:

At least Israeli gov isn't recognized as a terrorist organization by most of the democratic world. Hmm, making threats of genocide and reference to the holocaust to the Jews won't get them edgy eh? You have to remember the shit that Hamas says gets Israel real fucking edgy. How would you like it if neighboring Russia launches rockets into hospitals and schools on a regular basis, in addition calling all Finns a "curse" of the world who should be bathed in a holy fire.
Yeah, OK, Hamas, or parts of it, is/are considered a terrorist organisation(s) by some countries, that is true. It is also true that Israel has repeatedly been accused of breaches of international law, UN resolutions and human rights, and its armed forces have killed many many times more civilian deaths in Palestine than any home-made shite quality rockets that have been launched by Hamas or anyone else. As far as hitting hospitals and schools goes, I'd imagine it's a miracle that they hit anything at all to be honest. So what's Israel's excuse when Apache helicopters fire rockets into civilian neighbourhoods, or snipers shoot children? In one of your earlier posts you said, "Better killing a guy in a hotel room than blowing up a block," so it seems that you already understand the general attitude concerning assassinations anyway.

I'm not trying to jutify bomb attacks on civilians in Israel, or the use of civilians as human shields, can I just point out, which obviously are also completely unjustifiable.

It's true that there's a lot of bullshit spoken on both sides by their respective politicians, and Israel might indeed get real fucking edgy about just about anything. You don't think, however, that what Israel says and does gets people in Palestine, and all over the world really, pretty fucking edgy too?

As for your final argument concerning Russia, I think it would be a much more apt comparison, given the respective power of Russia and Finland compared with Israel and Palestine, to consider Russia claiming Finnish land as its right under a religious pretext, and using its military might to try and crush Finland, annex native Finns, deny us human rights and maybe build a wall or something cutting the country in two, which they might even have done if the Finns hadn't repelled their attacks in WWII, not the other way round. In which case, I might even get pissed off enough to consider Russians a curse on the world, too.

In any case, while this is all very interesting, if we can get back to considering the OP, I don't see what any of this has to do with Israel assassinating people, which, I think I've made fairly clear, I do not consider morally or legally justifiable actions. Please note that if Israel were responsible for this particular example, it even took place in another country, and not in Israel or Palestine. But this has happened many times before, of course. Let's just consider that the Taliban, who I think you'll agree the US is at war with, assassinated one of your political leaders? Obama or Pailn, whichever you like the most. You'd think that was OK yeah? A justified military action, acceptable within the bounds of war and law?
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ruisleipa
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Too much for you was it? Let me know if I can elucidate on any of it for you, if you need some help...
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ruisleipa wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Nobody selling weapons to Israel tries to cover up the fact.
Ever? Even if true, that makes it OK does it?
Probably.
ruisleipa
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M.O.A.B wrote:

Probably.
so please tell me why the fact that someone keeps an arms deal secret makes it not OK, but if you tell everyone it makes it OK? What does that have to do with fuck all?

Anyone else want to actually argue against my points instead of giving pointless, flippant or one-word responses? MOAB, galt, cybargs? No?
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ruisleipa wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

Probably.
so please tell me why the fact that someone keeps an arms deal secret makes it not OK, but if you tell everyone it makes it OK? What does that have to do with fuck all?

Anyone else want to actually argue against my points instead of giving pointless, flippant or one-word responses? MOAB, galt, cybargs? No?
Transparency is pretty important for diplomatic issues...

Actually I'll agree with MOAB, if the Israeli's DID kill this guy then good riddance, probably saved dozen of kids. Palestine would've been fine if these fuckers didn't start lobbing rockets at hospitals and fucking day care centers.

Besides, the Dubai police think its a GANG related shooting by some Euro's (probably ze Russians).
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Cybargs wrote:

Transparency is pretty important for diplomatic issues...
lol yeah maybe but it isn't so helpful for arms deals is it? How many countries have the US sold clandestine weapons to (and before you say anything, Finland also sells arms to Israel, I know, a truly shameful fact)?

Cybargs wrote:

Actually I'll agree with MOAB, if the Israeli's DID kill this guy then good riddance, probably saved dozen of kids.
LOL! Killing any US president or Israeli PM since ever would have done the same thing wouldn't it?

Cybargs wrote:

Palestine would've been fine if these fuckers didn't start lobbing rockets at hospitals and fucking day care centers.
LOL again! Sure, Palestine would've been just fine. You obviously have no idea at all of what you are talking about. I refer you to my previous points about them not being able to hit a fuckin barn door if they tried with their shitty rockets. I find it very hard to believe they deliberately target anything except a rough 2-mile square piece of land. While Israel, with the latest high tech US weaponry, still manages to kill hundreds of civilians, including children. MANY MANY MORE THAN HAMAS HAS EVER KILLED. But you think that's OK don't you, since these childrens lives aren't worth as much as Israeli or US lives.

If you want figures, according to wikipedia, (and "All numbers refer to casualties of direct conflict between Israelis and Palestinians including in IDF military operations, artillery shelling, search and arrest campaigns, Barrier demonstrations, targeted killings, settler violence etc."), 1754 Palestinians (309 under the age of 18) have been killed since 2005, as opposed to 117 Israelis  (12 under 18). Neither groups of deaths are justified, at least not concerning the civilian deaths. But tell me, who comes off worse? It's not the Israelis is it?

Killing this man in the OP isn't going to help anything. Someone else will always take his place. What about someone assassinating the US president or a politician as I asked earlier, that'd be OK too yeah? Save those kids and stuff. Funny how you're always ignoring my points...

Cybargs wrote:

Besides, the Dubai police think its a GANG related shooting by some Euro's (probably ze Russians).
Aye, it might not be Israel this time, we don't know. But we do know Israel has assassinated many people not only in Israel or Palestine but all over the world. They just don't give a fuck, frankly.
FEOS
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I'm not going to wade into the "ZOMG teh Joozrbad" derail.

@ OP: Good. The fucker's dead. Kind of like the old joke "What do you call a lawyer at the bottom of the ocean?"

A good start.
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Did he get a trial?
No he didn't.
Righty then.
Fuck Israel
FEOS
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Did he get a trial?
No he didn't.
Righty then.
Since when does every killing have to involve a trial? If it's a state-sponsored thing (everyone seems to assume it's Israel), why does it have to have a trial associated with it? Maybe they've already tried him in absentia and found him guilty. You euros should be alright with that.
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I didn't realise Israel were the only nation with super sekrit divisions that travel the world and kill people.
Small hourglass island
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FEOS
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FatherTed wrote:

I didn't realise Israel were the only nation with super sekrit divisions that travel the world and kill people.
Wat????

But is has to be teh Jooz!!!!1!!

Otherwise, we can't have an epic 400-page Palestine-Israel thread!
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FEOS wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

I didn't realise Israel were the only nation with super sekrit divisions that travel the world and kill people.
Wat????

But is has to be teh Jooz!!!!1!!

Otherwise, we can't have an epic 400-page Palestine-Israel thread!
Jews control governments so every sekrit killing is jew related... And the country with most amount of jews... TEH ISRAELZ
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ruisleipa
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Aye, pretending it's all about being anti-Jewish or anti-semitic is all very funny and that. No-one's mentioned Jews until you FEOS, so why bring it up? Nothing to do with Jewishness at all, but that is a convenient reaction to avert any attention from the real issues. Perhaps try addressing some arguments rather than resorting to child-like simplicity yeah? Or admit you're wrong about it.
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ruisleipa wrote:

Aye, pretending it's all about being anti-Jewish or anti-semitic is all very funny and that. No-one's mentioned Jews until you FEOS, so why bring it up? Nothing to do with Jewishness at all, but that is a convenient reaction to avert any attention from the real issues. Perhaps try addressing some arguments rather than resorting to child-like simplicity yeah? Or admit you're wrong about it.
Hamas puts responsibility on the "Zionists."

That's a pretty loaded word when talking about Israeli Jews.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atla … nated.html

Yeah Hamas is totally not racist at all.

https://www.jewishpost.com/images/news/images/MEMRI-ArabCartoons.jpg

Comparing Jews to Nazi's? Really?
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