BF2S Forums China protests US arms sales, warns of 'serious' impact

They're just testing Obama, they haven't had a good opportunity to do so yet.  China doesn't give a damn about Taiwan anymore.

burnzz wrote:

the US should tell the PRC it's to finance their debt with them.

lol

Don't you guys worry, Obama won the Nobel Piece Prize last year...

Would it be an issue if China were selling advanced missile systems to Cuba or Venezuela?
Of course not, there would be no accusations of China interfering with US interests, or threatening the US by proxy...

it is US law to provide selling weapons to Taiwan in the first place

And what if it were Chinese law that they had to provide weapons to Cuba, and had to maintain enough military capability to defend Cuba against any action by the US?
Can't see anyone getting upset about that.

Cultural arrogance FTW.

nukchebi0 wrote:

"constitutes a gross intervention into China's internal affairs, seriously endangers China's national security and harms China's peaceful reunification efforts,"

They perceive it like the Union perceived assistance to the Confederacy during the Civil War. Of course, whereas the Union had every moral right to dislike such action considering the nature of the national split and principles of the separatist entity, the PRC has nearly none.

Exactly. Hell the PRC government has never stepped foot on Taiwan. They're just pissed that Taiwan is thriving and has diplomatic ties.

To Dilbert: Since when was it old news that the US has been supplying weapons to Taiwan? The act was passed in 1979 when Taiwan gave up our UNSC seat because our leader was a dumbass when the US recognized the PRC.

Last time China made any threats the US just parked the 7th fleet outside of Taiwan.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Last time China made any threats the US just parked the 7th fleet outside of Taiwan.

Thats the point isn't it, China makes a move and the US mobilises the military. The US makes a move and you expect China to just suck it up.
BTW Was that the time the Chinese surfaced a sub in the middle of the battlegroup?

Study international relations for three milliseconds and you'll have a clear understanding of exactly what the nations are concerned about and why they are taking the diplomatic stances they do.

Cybargs wrote:

Last time China made any threats the US just parked the 7th fleet outside of Taiwan.

China has been working for a while on neutralizing that problem. For example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DF-21 A strike by those while planes are in the air, especially while planes are on the return leg to the carriers would spell disaster.

Quite frankly if it ever heated up, our airbases in Japan, on Okinawa, SK, etc would be destroyed, we'd be lucky if we got the planes off the ground, and if we did, they wouldn't have a airbase to land on again. The Chinese don't have the capability to take on us(Japan, SK, Australia, US, UK, etc) force on force. They'd resort to IRBM and cruise missiles strikes on air bases and carriers and they wouldn't be able to hold air superiority over the straight or the region, because the few forces in the region could hold them off, and the few forces wouldn't be large enough to project power. 15 years from now though, they'd be able to pull it off.

It's hard enough predicting who will win at platoon level, ie <100 people. I don't think we can predict a land, sea and air battle involving millions of soldiers with 2 of the biggest forces in the 21st century.

Last edited by jord (2010-01-31 08:20:50)

Harmor wrote:

Don't you guys worry, Obama won the Nobel Piece Prize last year...

It's spelled 'peace', jackass.

Cybargs wrote:

Commie Killer wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Last time China made any threats the US just parked the 7th fleet outside of Taiwan.

China has been working for a while on neutralizing that problem. For example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DF-21 A strike by those while planes are in the air, especially while planes are on the return leg to the carriers would spell disaster.

Quite frankly if it ever heated up, our airbases in Japan, on Okinawa, SK, etc would be destroyed, we'd be lucky if we got the planes off the ground, and if we did, they wouldn't have a airbase to land on again. The Chinese don't have the capability to take on us(Japan, SK, Australia, US, UK, etc) force on force. They'd resort to IRBM and cruise missiles strikes on air bases and carriers and they wouldn't be able to hold air superiority over the straight or the region, because the few forces in the region could hold them off, and the few forces wouldn't be large enough to project power. 15 years from now though, they'd be able to pull it off.

Wouldn't Patriot's shoot them down? Also isn't that the point of the Aegis defense system to take down cruise missiles?

Remember, US subs carry nukes as well for whoop ass.

Aegis is limited, it can only take out so many targets, and an attack from both cruise missiles(possibly stealth) while also under bombardment from MRV's and with friendly planes in the area would make it difficult to avoid having multiple hits. Patriots are effective, but also limited in the number of shots. Its rather simple to just saturate a area and overwhelm any defenses.

US subs don't really carry nukes anymore. The TLAM-N was phased out. Ohios have them but they are strategic, and I wouldn't be surprised if carriers have a few B83's on board, but again, I doubt we'd have the political will to use them, and for good reason.

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Commie Killer wrote:

China has been working for a while on neutralizing that problem. For example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DF-21 A strike by those while planes are in the air, especially while planes are on the return leg to the carriers would spell disaster.

Quite frankly if it ever heated up, our airbases in Japan, on Okinawa, SK, etc would be destroyed, we'd be lucky if we got the planes off the ground, and if we did, they wouldn't have a airbase to land on again. The Chinese don't have the capability to take on us(Japan, SK, Australia, US, UK, etc) force on force. They'd resort to IRBM and cruise missiles strikes on air bases and carriers and they wouldn't be able to hold air superiority over the straight or the region, because the few forces in the region could hold them off, and the few forces wouldn't be large enough to project power. 15 years from now though, they'd be able to pull it off.

good thing we have enough nukes to turn China into a radioactive wasteland until the sun becomes a black hole

It will never go nuclear. Only possible use of nukes would be at the tactical level at sea. If the Chinese nuked a carrier group at sea, it would be hard for us to justify nuking even a remote land base.

Last edited by Commie Killer (2010-01-31 09:03:12)

Commie Killer wrote:

jord wrote:

It's hard enough predicting who will win at platoon level, ie <100 people. I don't think we can predict a land, sea and air battle involving millions of soldiers with 2 of the biggest forces in the 21st century.

Yeah. I agree, though at the moment, I don't see where there is a possibility of land combat, except for a few special forces raids by each side.


EDIT: Misread your post, I thought you were only talking about platoon level combat, but you are right. Its impossible to accurately predict whats going to happen. Who knows what the situation is going to be when the match is lighted, who knows who will get the first blows, who knows how far both sides will be willing to take it. I believe it will happen, eventually. In my mind I equate both the west, and China, as the nations before WWI. Too proud to back down, too unwilling to admit we might be wrong, etc.

Well from a logistical and military experience standpoint, the US does have an upper hand when you consider the amount of spending the US has. A large army doesn't really mean shit modern day IMO (especially if they can't shoot for shit). US is still very far ahead in a large amount of military equipment compared to the Chinese. A professional army will always beat a bunch of conscripts (conventional war wise).