BF2S Forums Gunsights' Biblical References Concern US & UK forces

Dilbert_X wrote:

Just not seeing Europe becoming a Caliphate any time soon, or any of the ME really. Islamic extremism is driven by Western attacks and meddling, take it away and the other fades away.

That is their goal. Never said it was a reasonable goal. That doesn't mean that they will stop what they are doing until they never reach that unreasonable goal...which is a bad situation, overall.

Dilbert_X wrote:

By nutjobs I mean the 10% who think giving free bombs to Israel will bring Jebus back, you know, the type who think putting bible references on gunsights will assure victory against the heathens.
Bush mobilised them to keep himself in power.
Do I need to post another youtube video of ranting loonies in dresses calling for Iran to be nuked? Maybe an interview with the Trijicon guy would do it.

Post all you want. Those loonies don't make policy, draft laws, or do anything else to make happen what you claim. All they do is make noise that gets posted on the internet that you then think somehow equates to influencing US policy.

If you look at what the verses on the gunsights actually say, you'll see they all deal with light and illumination. Functions of the gunsights. Not with the Second Coming of Christ or anything else that you've attributed to them. Tempest in a teapot that has been dealt with.

Turquoise wrote:

Instead of using the word "nutjobs", he should've just said idiotic sheep.

What a wonderful way to talk about your fellow citizens who exercised their Constitutional right to vote. I'd say the idiots were those who sat at home and didn't exercise their right and then bitched about the results.

Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:

That is their goal. Never said it was a reasonable goal. That doesn't mean that they will stop what they are doing until they never reach that unreasonable goal...which is a bad situation, overall.

Agreed, if we can cut their support and recruitment they are likely to do less damage though.

The only thing that will do that is increasing education in the areas they recruit from. And you can't do that without "meddling".

Dilbert_X wrote:

Those loonies don't make policy, draft laws, or do anything else to make happen what you claim.

They do vote though, and get themselves into positions of responsibility.

They are still a minority, so their vote is outweighed, even in low-turnout elections.

And source your second claim. Show where one of these "fruitloops" has gained a position of responsibility and actually made policy, drafted laws, or done anything else that you've claimed. Hasn't happened. And before you post a picture of Bush and claim that suffices, remember this goes back to your claim that it all has to do with "bringing Jebus back to Israel".

Dilbert_X wrote:

What a wonderful way to talk about your fellow citizens who exercised their Constitutional right to vote.

I did mean the 10% who are fruitloops.
Those who didn't even bother to vote are idiots for sure.

That was Turquoise...not you.

Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:

The only thing that will do that is increasing education in the areas they recruit from. And you can't do that without "meddling".

Or just staying right away from the area, not meddling - letting Israel and the House of Saud fall if necessary, and increasing airline security.

Or you work to improve the lot of everyone there. And realize it's not nearly as simplistic as you think.

Dilbert_X wrote:

They are still a minority, so their vote is outweighed, even in low-turnout elections.

Or they hold the balance of power, since they represent about 10% in some areas and US elections seem to be very rarely outside the 55:45 range.

And thus the power of the "evil" Electoral College system. It eliminates dominance of regional popular voting blocs.

Dilbert_X wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Or you work to improve the lot of everyone there. And realize it's not nearly as simplistic as you think.

Aha so you are a socialist.
But really, MTV, playstations and the internet will do it eventually.

No, that's not socialism. Socialism is an economic model.

Dilbert_X wrote:

And thus the power of the "evil" Electoral College system. It eliminates dominance of regional popular voting blocs.

So how did someone who hears voices get elected President?

Only someone like you would call that hearing voices. And it's totally unrelated to what I posted, tangentman.

Dilbert_X wrote:

No, that's not socialism. Socialism is an economic model.

In the same way liberalism is an economic model?

Economic liberalism = Capitalism.

From the perspectives of the guy yelling Allahu Akbar and the guy who instructed that it should be moulded into the sights its the same.

Dilbert_X wrote:

No, that's not socialism. Socialism is an economic model.

In the same way liberalism is an economic model?

Liberalism is a political model that touches on economics, as politics touches on economics.

Here, to make it easier for you:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/liberalism

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/socialism

Dilbert_X wrote:

They're both political models, thats the point.

Socialism is an economic model. It's about the control of the means of production. That means the economy.

That's the point.

Economic models affect political models and vice versa. That does not mean they are one and the same.

Bertster7 wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

They're both political models, thats the point.

Socialism is an economic model. It's about the control of the means of production. That means the economy.

That's the point.

Economic models affect political models and vice versa. That does not mean they are one and the same.

I don't know about that.

It's a political model with an economic component. Which is the free market (laissez-faire) system.

Laissez-faire is an economic philosophy (economic liberalism).