Who do you think funds the military?Hurricane2k9 wrote:
It's not socialism because the military is an employer. That's like calling my dad's office socialist for providing health care.Mekstizzle wrote:
It doesn't count as socialism because they fight for freedom and jesus
and they're not ethnic minorities
well most of them
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if the military was an example of socialism then I wouldnt have had to spend half my paycheck on gear and supplies whenever I went to the field
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You have to pay for your own equipment?eleven bravo wrote:
if the military was an example of socialism then I wouldnt have had to spend half my paycheck on gear and supplies whenever I went to the field
the bare necessities were issued. if you wanted to make your job easier youd have to buy stuff. considering I was getting paid about $445 every two weeks for the first year I served (as an e-3 no less) it wasnt hard to spend a couple hundred dollars on stuff Ill need for a 45 day field excercise
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Why? eleven bravo is a vet too and he agreed with me. I'm not talking out of my ass, this is what I experienced first hand while I was in the service.Braddock wrote:
Wooooaaaa... while I agree that there's too often a rose-tinted view of soldiers, police, and armed forces I don't know if I'd put it in as strong terms as you have. There's little to be gained in tarring such a huge diverse collection of people with one brush, some people will genuinely deserve and benefit from this program, and yes, many will exploit it, that's the way of the world. Saying soldiers and their wives are all just out for the money and the benefits is the same as somebody accusing all soldiers of being heartless baby-killers. At the end of the day it is still more money being thrown into the bottomless pit that is Middle Eastern conflict... should've stayed at home lads.JohnG@lt wrote:
Fuck that noise. The spouse can already use the GI Bill. There's absolutely no reason they need additional funding for job training etc. I fucking hate the soldiers that are always looking for a handout, whether it's faking a disability to receive a check for the rest of their life or any of the other million things they do to take advantage of the system. People have a nice rosy image of soldiers but a lot of them are scum just trying to skate through life as easily as possible. Military spouses are generally 10x worse too. Biggest leaches on the face of the planet. Most marry the soldier for his steady paycheck and health benefits.
Might wanna get a flame-proof suit btw!
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Also wouldn't be paying your own wages in income taxes either Always thought it was bullshit having to pay fed taxes. I switched to Texas residency as quickly as I could to get out of state taxeseleven bravo wrote:
if the military was an example of socialism then I wouldnt have had to spend half my paycheck on gear and supplies whenever I went to the field
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
eleven bravo wrote:
$445 every two weeks
Room and board paid for. That's cash money.CameronPoe wrote:
eleven bravo wrote:
$445 every two weeks
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Taxpayers. But it's still employment, and things like healthcare and housing allowance are employment benefits.Braddock wrote:
Who do you think funds the military?Hurricane2k9 wrote:
It's not socialism because the military is an employer. That's like calling my dad's office socialist for providing health care.Mekstizzle wrote:
It doesn't count as socialism because they fight for freedom and jesus
and they're not ethnic minorities
well most of them
Any industry funded, regulated or administered by the Government is Socialist by definition... that includes miitary, law enforcement, libraries, fire brigade, civil service, public schools, and the heath board (in Europe at least... and in the US shortly ). Socialism is not just the Government handing out money willy-nilly to freeloaders.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Taxpayers. But it's still employment, and things like healthcare and housing allowance are employment benefits.Braddock wrote:
Who do you think funds the military?Hurricane2k9 wrote:
It's not socialism because the military is an employer. That's like calling my dad's office socialist for providing health care.
thats way too broad of a definition I think. You could say that about every military in history.Braddock wrote:
Any industry funded, regulated or administered by the Government is Socialist by definition... that includes miitary, law enforcement, libraries, fire brigade, civil service, public schools, and the heath board (in Europe at least... and in the US shortly ). Socialism is not just the Government handing out money willy-nilly to freeloaders.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Taxpayers. But it's still employment, and things like healthcare and housing allowance are employment benefits.Braddock wrote:
Who do you think funds the military?
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i think that's part of his point.eleven bravo wrote:
thats way too broad of a definition I think. You could say that about every military in history.Braddock wrote:
Any industry funded, regulated or administered by the Government is Socialist by definition... that includes miitary, law enforcement, libraries, fire brigade, civil service, public schools, and the heath board (in Europe at least... and in the US shortly ). Socialism is not just the Government handing out money willy-nilly to freeloaders.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Taxpayers. But it's still employment, and things like healthcare and housing allowance are employment benefits.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
you could say the existence of any type of government is socialism.
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It kind of is.... it's part of why I don't understand the stigma against it....eleven bravo wrote:
you could say the existence of any type of government is socialism.
Even private industries work similarly to socialism.
Take insurance for example. You pay into a fee structure that helps to subsidize expenses incurred by other people. The government might not be running it (yet), but it's still socialistic in its principles -- but that's why it works.
Thats why I hated and still hate to this very day, Camp Pendleton.JohnG@lt wrote:
Fuck that noise. The spouse can already use the GI Bill. There's absolutely no reason they need additional funding for job training etc. I fucking hate the soldiers that are always looking for a handout, whether it's faking a disability to receive a check for the rest of their life or any of the other million things they do to take advantage of the system. People have a nice rosy image of soldiers but a lot of them are scum just trying to skate through life as easily as possible. Military spouses are generally 10x worse too. Biggest leaches on the face of the planet. Most marry the soldier for his steady paycheck and health benefits.
2 weeks before we were set to come home from Iraqistan, 10/12 married Marines in my platoon got divorce papers.
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