It'll probably take generations before they get the hang of it but the longer we enable them, so to speak, the longer it will take.M.O.A.B wrote:
I've yet to see it happen in Africa. I really have, and they've had a good few years to make some progress.Braddock wrote:
The same way mankind has done for centuries... learning from mistakes and eventually developing some 'cop-on', as we say in Ireland. Who held our hands back in prehistoric times when we were trying to get a handle on the whole 'civilisation' thing? Nobody... we figured it out for ourselves (unless Kubrick was right about the whole monolith thing). I know it's a simplistic analogy but think of a troublesome teenager who refuses to take responsibility for themselves, the more you baby him the longer he will continue to act irresponsibly. Eventually you have to cut the chord and force the teenager to stand on his own two feet.M.O.A.B wrote:
Whatever it is you think, they cannot do it themselves. Its a fact. Africa is for the most part like a giant Afghanistan, filled with tribes and rebel groups constantly fighting each other. Without outside help, Afghanistan would remain a shithole forever, as will most of Africa.
So you have to tell me, how will it work if they go it alone? How are they going to take control and stabalise? How while they create a good stable economy?
Arsenal are shit. Fucking French assholes.
They created Henry, and look what he did to Ireland, the orrible, french, dirty cretin
They created Henry, and look what he did to Ireland, the orrible, french, dirty cretin
I'm an Arsenal fan but Henry is now persona non grata in my book... scum.jord wrote:
Arsenal are shit. Fucking French assholes.
They created Henry, and look what he did to Ireland, the orrible, french, dirty cretin
dude i will fucking kill you...fyijord wrote:
Arsenal are shit.
2 Rounds HEDP. Splash in 1011 Bravo wrote:
dude i will fucking kill you...fyijord wrote:
Arsenal are shit.
NBC ON, GAS GAS GAS. enemy , 1000m , come 3 fingers left of right of arc, anyone not seen?S3v3N wrote:
2 Rounds HEDP. Splash in 1011 Bravo wrote:
dude i will fucking kill you...fyijord wrote:
Arsenal are shit.
rapid....fire
And doing this got me kicked from my mw2 game, assholes
"3 fingers left"jord wrote:
NBC ON, GAS GAS GAS. enemy , 1000m , come 3 fingers left of right of arc, anyone not seen?
The hell?
You directing a mortar onto target, or ordering a round of scotches at the bar?
Oh yeah it was 3 knuckles, and I'm directing my rifleman, OBVIOUSLY.rdx-fx wrote:
"3 fingers left"jord wrote:
NBC ON, GAS GAS GAS. enemy , 1000m , come 3 fingers left of right of arc, anyone not seen?
The hell?
You directing a mortar onto target, or ordering a round of scotches at the bar?
Lawl
11 pages... This is probably the longest running thread I've ever started. About 95% of it is about Arsenal and video gaming though!
So clearly you've bought in to the nonsense AQ has used to stir up the "Arab street" and recruit...as opposed to educating yourself on the actual root cause of AQ, which GS has done.Dilbert_X wrote:
Its just another chapter in the book.FEOS wrote:
And how exactly is Afghanistan "meddling in the ME on behalf of Israel"?Dilbert_X wrote:
Meddling in the ME on behalf of Israel, of which Afghanistan and Iraq are just the latest chapters.
Iran and Pakistan will be next no doubt, plus maybe Yemen.
US fucks over ME
ME responds
US fucks over ME
ME responds
And so on, since oil was discovered there and the fruitloops wanted Jebus 'back'.
AQ (and others) use the Israel/Palestinian cause as a recruiting tool--nothing more. Their ideology and strategic goals generally have fuckall to do with the Levant (or are at best tertiarially related). UBL's core issue was foreigners/infidels in the Holy Land (Saudi Arabia) and the Saud family allowing that. Related to that is his belief (along Wahabbist lines) that those same infidels are poisoning Islam with their Western concepts and that they need to be rolled back so that a "clean" version of Islam can be practiced in the "new Caliphate".
Israel is only part of that in that the Levant would be absorbed in the New Caliphate. Otherwise, it's a recruiting tool for AQ...nothing more. If you think otherwise, you've simply bought into their propaganda without bothering to research into the organization at all.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Which aligns neatly with 'US fucks over ME'.FEOS wrote:
Related to that is his belief (along Wahabbist lines) that those same infidels are poisoning Islam with their Western concepts and that they need to be rolled back
I don't believe Israel is THE central part of AQs interest, it is a significant factor though.
Fuck Israel
No, it aligns with "a small number of nutjobs think the ME should live in the 700s".Dilbert_X wrote:
Which aligns neatly with 'US fucks over ME'.FEOS wrote:
Related to that is his belief (along Wahabbist lines) that those same infidels are poisoning Islam with their Western concepts and that they need to be rolled back
I don't believe Israel is THE central part of AQs interest, it is a significant factor though.
Do you align yourself with that group? If so, then I guess you would view things in a Wahabbist slant.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Not really, I bet they'll want to keep their Toyota Landcruisers and air-conditioning.
Like the Mormons, if they want to practise nutballery in the middle of nowhere why is it our problem?
However you look at it Bin Laden is just one of many people who want the US to stop sticking their dick in the ME.
Which the US does in large part because there are a large number of nutjobs in the US who think Palestine should go back to year 0.
Like the Mormons, if they want to practise nutballery in the middle of nowhere why is it our problem?
However you look at it Bin Laden is just one of many people who want the US to stop sticking their dick in the ME.
Which the US does in large part because there are a large number of nutjobs in the US who think Palestine should go back to year 0.
Fuck Israel
UBL only wants the US to stop messing with the ME because he wants to establish a Caliphate that expands beyond the ME (to include Europe, btw). It's not like he wants to just sit in a cave in Asscrackistan and pretend it's the year 700.Dilbert_X wrote:
Not really, I bet they'll want to keep their Toyota Landcruisers and air-conditioning.
Like the Mormons, if they want to practise nutballery in the middle of nowhere why is it our problem?
However you look at it Bin Laden is just one of many people who want the US to stop sticking their dick in the ME.
Which the US does in large part because there are a large number of nutjobs in the US who think Palestine should go back to year 0.
That's why it's everyone's problem.
There are not a large number of nutjobs in the US (at least not a number who hold any ability to affect policy) who think that--despite what you read on the interwebz. Again, the tinfoil is a little to tight today, Dilbert.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Can't really see that happening TBH, if and when the US stops killing muslims and paying Israel to do the same he loses any reason for anyone to fight for him.
Those nutjobs kept Bush in power, they aren't insignificant. I can find that thread again if you like.
Snug is best.
Those nutjobs kept Bush in power, they aren't insignificant. I can find that thread again if you like.
Snug is best.
Fuck Israel
And just what color is the sky on your world, Dilbert? You riding a unicorn to work today? Say hello to the leprechaun at the water cooler.Dilbert_X wrote:
Can't really see that happening TBH, if and when the US stops killing muslims and paying Israel to do the same he loses any reason for anyone to fight for him.
If by "those nutjobs" you mean the voters of the US...Dilbert_X wrote:
Those nutjobs kept Bush in power, they aren't insignificant. I can find that thread again if you like.
See, that's where your argument falls on its face. The majority of the US doesn't fit your argument, and the people elect the President. They are the ones who "kept Bush in power", not some faceless evangelical cabal focused on bringing the Messiah back to Israel.
Seriously, Dilbert. You need to adjust the meds...the voices are getting a little too loud today.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Just not seeing Europe becoming a Caliphate any time soon, or any of the ME really. Islamic extremism is driven by Western attacks and meddling, take it away and the other fades away.
By nutjobs I mean the 10% who think giving free bombs to Israel will bring Jebus back, you know, the type who think putting bible references on gunsights will assure victory against the heathens.
Bush mobilised them to keep himself in power.
Do I need to post another youtube video of ranting loonies in dresses calling for Iran to be nuked? Maybe an interview with the Trijicon guy would do it.
By nutjobs I mean the 10% who think giving free bombs to Israel will bring Jebus back, you know, the type who think putting bible references on gunsights will assure victory against the heathens.
Bush mobilised them to keep himself in power.
Do I need to post another youtube video of ranting loonies in dresses calling for Iran to be nuked? Maybe an interview with the Trijicon guy would do it.
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Fuck Israel
well...some of them do. Most of them don't.FEOS wrote:
and the people elect the President.
Well, you could say that - if it weren't for those pesky facts.11 Bravo wrote:
bert you never want the brits to take responsiblity for anything. you are tap dancing on this one. as much as it hurts me to say spark is correct.Bertster7 wrote:
No it wasn't.Spark wrote:
israel was created as a result of the british, not the US.
I'll give you 3 reasons why not:
1. Jewish immigration into the mandate of Palestine was a condition of the mandate laid out by the league of nations. Not a British decision.
2. The British took steps to stem Jewish immigration into the mandate. Leading to Jewish terror attacks targeting the British as well as the Arabs.
3. The British took no part in the UN vote on the formation of the state of Israel and the 2 state solution as a protest.
Conversely, the US were the first to recognise Israel as a state and have been their staunchest supporters since the 30's.
Just remember 37.6% of statistics are made up on the spot.Dilbert_X wrote:
Just not seeing Europe becoming a Caliphate any time soon, or any of the ME really. Islamic extremism is driven by Western attacks and meddling, take it away and the other fades away.
By nutjobs I mean the 10% who think giving free bombs to Israel will bring Jebus back, you know, the type who think putting bible references on gunsights will assure victory against the heathens.
Bush mobilised them to keep himself in power.
Do I need to post another youtube video of ranting loonies in dresses calling for Iran to be nuked? Maybe an interview with the Trijicon guy would do it.
Bush was elected because a fairly significant portion of the US population thought he would be better than Gore or Kerry.
Or was he??? Dun Dun Dunnnnnnnnn!RAIMIUS wrote:
Just remember 37.6% of statistics are made up on the spot.Dilbert_X wrote:
Just not seeing Europe becoming a Caliphate any time soon, or any of the ME really. Islamic extremism is driven by Western attacks and meddling, take it away and the other fades away.
By nutjobs I mean the 10% who think giving free bombs to Israel will bring Jebus back, you know, the type who think putting bible references on gunsights will assure victory against the heathens.
Bush mobilised them to keep himself in power.
Do I need to post another youtube video of ranting loonies in dresses calling for Iran to be nuked? Maybe an interview with the Trijicon guy would do it.
Bush was elected because a fairly significant portion of the US population thought he would be better than Gore or Kerry.
What of Obama, D_X? No change from Bush policy in regard to the ME or US support of Israel.
edit: Waits for DNC talking points ...
edit: Waits for DNC talking points ...
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Did I say Obama was the answer?Stingray24 wrote:
What of Obama, D_X? No change from Bush policy in regard to the ME or US support of Israel.
edit: Waits for DNC talking points ...
He hasn't started any new wars at least, and has put a little pressure Israel - nothing like enough though.
Fuck Israel
fixedBraddock wrote:
Or was he???
Instead of using the word "nutjobs", he should've just said idiotic sheep.FEOS wrote:
If by "those nutjobs" you mean the voters of the US....