The cost of insurance sure as hell has. As well as the fact that we have far more peple that will be wanting to see a doctor in the NEXT 30 yrs. Again I reiderate the fact I agree with the proposal you made earlier about the competition in ins being a good thing. And if there were less walls to prevent competition it would be good for American's.JohnG@lt wrote:
Not a whole lot changes in 30 years.nlsme1 wrote:
So a study from 30 years ago stilll has bearing today? Nothing changes?
I never said it was. Having a strong and happy workforce is a key to having a successful business. My point is that they don't have any ownership stake in the company. The CEO isn't really answerable to his employees, he's answerable to his shareholders. If the shareholders are pushing for short term profits and are in a majority position, the CEO really doesn't have a choice but to go along with what they want. If they're a minority? He can ignore them.lowing wrote:
that the common denominator to profitability and success has nothing to do with fucking your employees as hard as you can for a strong bottom line.JohnG@lt wrote:
What was I supposed to see on that list?lowing wrote:
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/ … full_list/
Probalby need to tell thse guys, cuz they are obviously doing it wrong.
The problem in this equation isn't with the CEO, it's with irresponsible share holders looking for a quick buck. Any CEO catering to the whims of short term holders is a bad CEO, there is zero disagreement on that.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Those people will be covered by medicare. Problem solved, no?nlsme1 wrote:
The cost of insurance sure as hell has. As well as the fact that we have far more peple that will be wanting to see a doctor in the NEXT 30 yrs. Again I reiderate the fact I agree with the proposal you made earlier about the competition in ins being a good thing. And if there were less walls to prevent competition it would be good for American's.JohnG@lt wrote:
Not a whole lot changes in 30 years.nlsme1 wrote:
So a study from 30 years ago stilll has bearing today? Nothing changes?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
You pay for my kids to go to school, you pay for the roads I drive on everyday. Hell you even pay for the building I do businuss in everyday. I guess the people that get sick through no fault of their own fail at their "job". People that get cancer (cancer is not caused only by smoking) failed at their "job" the people that have their kids get sick failed at their "job". Or old people fail at their "job" quit often? Meningitus is an easy one to protect yourself from. But still people fail at their job and DIE.JohnG@lt wrote:
Because you being healthy is your own personal responsibility. It's your job to exercise and eat healthy and not smoke etc. It's your job to save up money to pay the doctor if you don't want to carry insurance or to pay the insurance company to insure your good health. I don't know you, you have no impact on my life outside of this thread and I don't owe you anything just because your dad knocked up your mom. To ask me to pay for your well being? Why?nlsme1 wrote:
If you ask an American where is from WHILE in the U.S., sure he will probably say what state. But, if you ask an American where he is from WHILE OUTSIDE the states, I'm sure he would say America. Sure we all have diff lifestyles. But generally what we all care about is the same no matter where you are. Family, education, health, money, and comfort. That pretty much goes for every human on the face of this earth. How is it more important to someone say in Alaska, for me to have an interstate to drive on or a school for my kids to attend than it is for me to be healthy. It's really not.JohnG@lt wrote:
This hits the nail on the head. There really is no American society. We're a group of states and sections that are banded together by history more than anything else. People in the northeast have different lifestyles and priorities than people in the south, the west or the midwest. People in California have different lifestyles and priorities than people living in Iowa. It's just the way it is. Our diversity as a nation is one of our strengths, and yes, sometimes one of our weaknesses. One size fits all solutions do not work here. Government mandates for renewable energy sources would work in a place like California or Arizona but would fail horribly in Alaska or Maine.
This is why I feel there is generally such a large backlash whenever the government tries to institute social programs. They can't please everyone because everyone wants something different. Very rarely is there something that is useful to all. Military? Yes. Interstate highways? Yes. Justice system? Yes. There isn't a whole lot beyond that that our government can be expected to manage well because of the sectionalistic differences. If you ask an American where he is from he will tell you the State he lives in.
People get sick and die, what's your point? Get insurance.nlsme1 wrote:
You pay for my kids to go to school, you pay for the roads I drive on everyday. Hell you even pay for the building I do businuss in everyday. I guess the people that get sick through no fault of their own fail at their "job". People that get cancer (cancer is not caused only by smoking) failed at their "job" the people that have their kids get sick failed at their "job". Or old people fail at their "job" quit often? Meningitus is an easy one to protect yourself from. But still people fail at their job and DIE.JohnG@lt wrote:
Because you being healthy is your own personal responsibility. It's your job to exercise and eat healthy and not smoke etc. It's your job to save up money to pay the doctor if you don't want to carry insurance or to pay the insurance company to insure your good health. I don't know you, you have no impact on my life outside of this thread and I don't owe you anything just because your dad knocked up your mom. To ask me to pay for your well being? Why?nlsme1 wrote:
If you ask an American where is from WHILE in the U.S., sure he will probably say what state. But, if you ask an American where he is from WHILE OUTSIDE the states, I'm sure he would say America. Sure we all have diff lifestyles. But generally what we all care about is the same no matter where you are. Family, education, health, money, and comfort. That pretty much goes for every human on the face of this earth. How is it more important to someone say in Alaska, for me to have an interstate to drive on or a school for my kids to attend than it is for me to be healthy. It's really not.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
You dont have a problem with that? I mean surely you want that gone.JohnG@lt wrote:
Those people will be covered by medicare. Problem solved, no?nlsme1 wrote:
The cost of insurance sure as hell has. As well as the fact that we have far more peple that will be wanting to see a doctor in the NEXT 30 yrs. Again I reiderate the fact I agree with the proposal you made earlier about the competition in ins being a good thing. And if there were less walls to prevent competition it would be good for American's.JohnG@lt wrote:
Not a whole lot changes in 30 years.
DST. its funny when the same people always pile on him. its even funnier when they karma eachother about it like a group of schoolgirls texting eachother.lowing wrote:
You notice that to huh?JohnG@lt wrote:
I'm glad that this thread turned into another lowing pile-on. I really am.
wrong dead fucking wrong. the attack began when they moved to the US and started flight school and such. sept 11 was the end of the attack. so, it began in the late 90's.Braddock wrote:
http://tjenarvi.com/wp-content/uploads/ … -tower.JPGlowing wrote:
Bush was fighting a war and kept us terror free for 8 years.
And for those that cant afford it? I pay almost a grand a month for mine. You have no compasion for people health, yet have no gripes about paying for their education, their travel their countless other things? Hell I don't even think I have heard you say anything about paying for those that would rather take a train over driving!! Yet, when it comes to their health "fuck em".JohnG@lt wrote:
People get sick and die, what's your point? Get insurance.nlsme1 wrote:
You pay for my kids to go to school, you pay for the roads I drive on everyday. Hell you even pay for the building I do businuss in everyday. I guess the people that get sick through no fault of their own fail at their "job". People that get cancer (cancer is not caused only by smoking) failed at their "job" the people that have their kids get sick failed at their "job". Or old people fail at their "job" quit often? Meningitus is an easy one to protect yourself from. But still people fail at their job and DIE.JohnG@lt wrote:
Because you being healthy is your own personal responsibility. It's your job to exercise and eat healthy and not smoke etc. It's your job to save up money to pay the doctor if you don't want to carry insurance or to pay the insurance company to insure your good health. I don't know you, you have no impact on my life outside of this thread and I don't owe you anything just because your dad knocked up your mom. To ask me to pay for your well being? Why?
I do want it gone. But not overnight. People have come to rely on it and expect it to be there during their retirement and have planned accordingly. Should it be removed with a grandfather clause for those 40+? Yes. For those under forty, there is still plenty of time to save and plan for retirement on their own. I don't believe in the government taking peoples personal responsibilities away from them. It makes them lazy and stupid rather than active players.nlsme1 wrote:
You dont have a problem with that? I mean surely you want that gone.JohnG@lt wrote:
Those people will be covered by medicare. Problem solved, no?nlsme1 wrote:
The cost of insurance sure as hell has. As well as the fact that we have far more peple that will be wanting to see a doctor in the NEXT 30 yrs. Again I reiderate the fact I agree with the proposal you made earlier about the competition in ins being a good thing. And if there were less walls to prevent competition it would be good for American's.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
lol you notice THAT to huh?11 Bravo wrote:
DST. its funny when the same people always pile on him. its even funnier when they karma eachother about it like a group of schoolgirls texting eachother.lowing wrote:
You notice that to huh?JohnG@lt wrote:
I'm glad that this thread turned into another lowing pile-on. I really am.
dont pay the 1000 and go to a public hospital then. its simple. take advantage of the free healthcare or get off your cross.nlsme1 wrote:
And for those that cant afford it? I pay almost a grand a month for mine. You have no compasion for people health, yet have no gripes about paying for their education, their travel their countless other things? Hell I don't even think I have heard you say anything about paying for those that would rather take a train over driving!! Yet, when it comes to their health "fuck em".JohnG@lt wrote:
People get sick and die, what's your point? Get insurance.nlsme1 wrote:
You pay for my kids to go to school, you pay for the roads I drive on everyday. Hell you even pay for the building I do businuss in everyday. I guess the people that get sick through no fault of their own fail at their "job". People that get cancer (cancer is not caused only by smoking) failed at their "job" the people that have their kids get sick failed at their "job". Or old people fail at their "job" quit often? Meningitus is an easy one to protect yourself from. But still people fail at their job and DIE.
how could you not. even some mods play that game. kind of sad really.lowing wrote:
lol you notice THAT to huh?11 Bravo wrote:
DST. its funny when the same people always pile on him. its even funnier when they karma eachother about it like a group of schoolgirls texting eachother.lowing wrote:
You notice that to huh?
It's even funnier seeing the same people stroking his cock all the time. And look who has all the karma, sure as shit not me.11 Bravo wrote:
DST. its funny when the same people always pile on him. its even funnier when they karma eachother about it like a group of schoolgirls texting eachother.lowing wrote:
You notice that to huh?JohnG@lt wrote:
I'm glad that this thread turned into another lowing pile-on. I really am.
No public hospital available to me. Brings up another good point though. Why should some have a public hospital available to them, and most dont? I mean shit, tax money goes to them why not me?
This is true, I guess I never really considered that POV before, a very valid point. However could an argument be made that WW2 didn't actually start on Dec 7th for the US, that it started sometime in mid 1940 with the planning of the attack?, I doubt many are gunna subscribe to that11 Bravo wrote:
wrong dead fucking wrong. the attack began when they moved to the US and started flight school and such. sept 11 was the end of the attack. so, it began in the late 90's.Braddock wrote:
http://tjenarvi.com/wp-content/uploads/ … -tower.JPGlowing wrote:
Bush was fighting a war and kept us terror free for 8 years.
i have criticized lowing many times. but, its not so much jerking his cock you see. its more like providing some fucking balance.nlsme1 wrote:
It's even funnier seeing the same people stroking his cock all the time. And look who has all the karma, sure as shit not me.11 Bravo wrote:
DST. its funny when the same people always pile on him. its even funnier when they karma eachother about it like a group of schoolgirls texting eachother.lowing wrote:
You notice that to huh?
You're taking the wrong tack in this debate with me. I don't let feelings cloud my judgement, I try to look at everything rationally.nlsme1 wrote:
And for those that cant afford it? I pay almost a grand a month for mine. You have no compasion for people health, yet have no gripes about paying for their education, their travel their countless other things? Hell I don't even think I have heard you say anything about paying for those that would rather take a train over driving!! Yet, when it comes to their health "fuck em".JohnG@lt wrote:
People get sick and die, what's your point? Get insurance.nlsme1 wrote:
You pay for my kids to go to school, you pay for the roads I drive on everyday. Hell you even pay for the building I do businuss in everyday. I guess the people that get sick through no fault of their own fail at their "job". People that get cancer (cancer is not caused only by smoking) failed at their "job" the people that have their kids get sick failed at their "job". Or old people fail at their "job" quit often? Meningitus is an easy one to protect yourself from. But still people fail at their job and DIE.
I don't like our public education system. I especially don't like the teachers union controlled public education system here in New York. They've done everything in their power to consolidate their position and remove all competition. See: the cap on charter schools and the lack of a voucher program.
I don't like our system of roads, they should be usage based and tolled accordingly.
The MTA should not be subsidized by the government and wouldn't have to be if the roads were reasonably tolled. As it is, I pay $11 a day crossing the Throggs Neck bridge to get to class. Would I take a train or a subway to class if it was available? Yeah, but if I tried today it would add an hour to my commute.
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"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
whats your zipcode?nlsme1 wrote:
No public hospital available to me.
Would be more sad if I actually cared. It is good for a chuckle though, I can't say that I have "literally" busted a gut though.11 Bravo wrote:
how could you not. even some mods play that game. kind of sad really.lowing wrote:
lol you notice THAT to huh?11 Bravo wrote:
DST. its funny when the same people always pile on him. its even funnier when they karma eachother about it like a group of schoolgirls texting eachother.
these guys were doing a covert op from day one. the planning was done before they arrived in the US.lowing wrote:
This is true, I guess I never really considered that POV before, a very valid point. However could an argument be made that WW2 didn't actually start on Dec 7th for the US, that it started sometime in mid 1940 with the planning of the attack?, I doubt many are gunna subscribe to that11 Bravo wrote:
wrong dead fucking wrong. the attack began when they moved to the US and started flight school and such. sept 11 was the end of the attack. so, it began in the late 90's.
So the ww2 analogy won't hold, but the 9/11 does?lowing wrote:
This is true, I guess I never really considered that POV before, a very valid point. However could an argument be made that WW2 didn't actually start on Dec 7th for the US, that it started sometime in mid 1940 with the planning of the attack?, I doubt many are gunna subscribe to that11 Bravo wrote:
wrong dead fucking wrong. the attack began when they moved to the US and started flight school and such. sept 11 was the end of the attack. so, it began in the late 90's.
This is true, he has criticized me more time than I like to think about. I hate it to because I respect his opinions on many issues.11 Bravo wrote:
i have criticized lowing many times. but, its not so much jerking his cock you see. its more like providing some fucking balance.nlsme1 wrote:
It's even funnier seeing the same people stroking his cock all the time. And look who has all the karma, sure as shit not me.11 Bravo wrote:
DST. its funny when the same people always pile on him. its even funnier when they karma eachother about it like a group of schoolgirls texting eachother.
It is kinda weird however that to agree with me is nothing more than "stroking my cock". It has nothing to do with maybe having a valid point.
But to disagree with me, and call me every name in the book in the process, now that is the mark of a masterdebater, and cause for knighthood in this forum.
So balance is not providing any input into the matter other then someone is disagreeing with him? I see. I hope he doesn't accidentally make a mess of himself then!!11 Bravo wrote:
i have criticized lowing many times. but, its not so much jerking his cock you see. its more like providing some fucking balance.nlsme1 wrote:
It's even funnier seeing the same people stroking his cock all the time. And look who has all the karma, sure as shit not me.11 Bravo wrote:
DST. its funny when the same people always pile on him. its even funnier when they karma eachother about it like a group of schoolgirls texting eachother.
ya know really I dunno, i never have thought of it in those terms? kinda caught me off guard with that POV to be honest. My kneee jerk reaction is nope it doesn't hold water but an arguement could definately be made.nlsme1 wrote:
So the ww2 analogy won't hold, but the 9/11 does?lowing wrote:
This is true, I guess I never really considered that POV before, a very valid point. However could an argument be made that WW2 didn't actually start on Dec 7th for the US, that it started sometime in mid 1940 with the planning of the attack?, I doubt many are gunna subscribe to that11 Bravo wrote:
wrong dead fucking wrong. the attack began when they moved to the US and started flight school and such. sept 11 was the end of the attack. so, it began in the late 90's.