BF2S Forums Standing up for my principles.

Peter wrote:

I spent the whole of my childhood in school singing about god, it didn't change my beliefs. If she really believes in god I doubt it is that much of a big deal.

LividBovine wrote:

You know Dilbert, you are correct.  It is especially indoctrinating to expose my children to my religion.  I believe in my God and I will share that with my children.  I do have that right and I will exercise it at will.  Until you lot of progressives take that right and a lot more along the way, I will continue to keep my kids ignorant and indoctinated. Good luck.

Unless you are afraid it won't keep her ignorant and indoctrinated?

LividBovine wrote:

Already dealt with it.  Just thought the situation was topic worthy.

Macbeth wrote:

If a school tries to make a child sing a song with strong religious undertones all of the teenage internet atheist would be having a fit but since a Christian objects to a song it's him being "ignorant and close minded".

Some of you really need to get real. As much as other atheist would hate to have to sing a song about 'The Love and Forgivness of Christ', his child objects to a song which suggest her religion is a negative factor. It's perfectly reasonable considering in her religion she has to one day defend her life and actions.

Aside from that, it's pretty funny some of the "rah rah religion is bad" crowd hates Christianity but largely defends a huge amount of Christian moral points. But that's another issue.

Macbeth wrote:

Varegg wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

If a school tries to make a child sing a song with strong religious undertones all of the teenage internet atheist would be having a fit but since a Christian objects to a song it's him being "ignorant and close minded".

Some of you really need to get real. As much as other atheist would hate to have to sing a song about 'The Love and Forgivness of Christ', his child objects to a song which suggest her religion is a negative factor. It's perfectly reasonable considering in her religion she has to one day defend her life and actions.

They prolly chose the song based on the fact that it is a good song to choir for kids, the lyrics are simple and the tune is catchy ...

There are plenty of religous songs that are good for choir and have catchy tunes also.

If one was chosen there would be an outcry of "they are indoctrinating children!", it's the same as his daughter not being happy about a song because "it's agaisnt he religion". Both have groups of people angry about songs that were most likely chosen not because of their lyrics but because of their 'sound'.

Macbeth wrote:

Aside from that, it's pretty funny some of the "rah rah religion is bad" crowd hates Christianity but largely defends a huge amount of Christian moral points. But that's another issue.

AussieReaper wrote:

I don't think your daughter objected to the song because "Lennon was a commie".

You're just projecting your own paranoia onto her, now. In fact it seems that you're the one with the problem.

I think you should watch the movie "The United States vs John Lennon".

You know Nixon tried to deport him?

JohnG@lt wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

I don't think your daughter objected to the song because "Lennon was a commie".

You're just projecting your own paranoia onto her, now. In fact it seems that you're the one with the problem.

I think you should watch the movie "The United States vs John Lennon".

You know Nixon tried to deport him?

Marxism was the cool new religion of the day back then. It was anti-establishment. Never mind that they perverted, misused and didn't understand what they were preaching

AussieReaper wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

I don't think your daughter objected to the song because "Lennon was a commie".

You're just projecting your own paranoia onto her, now. In fact it seems that you're the one with the problem.

I think you should watch the movie "The United States vs John Lennon".

You know Nixon tried to deport him?

Marxism was the cool new religion of the day back then. It was anti-establishment. Never mind that they perverted, misused and didn't understand what they were preaching

Anti-establishment I agree with much, much more than I believe the song is anti-Capitalism.

And I agree that they perverted the songs often too, compare Lennon to what he was preaching in any of his music and you'll find he was quite the opposite.

He sang of love, yet he was never faithful. He sang about how much he loved his children yet for Julian he very rarely talked to him and as for Sean, while he talked about being a stay at home father and being very caring, he was living with May Ping in L.A. and had done major damage to his body drug use, like coke.

Which is why I don't think Livid understands what he is objecting to, at all.

Last edited by JohnG@lt (2010-01-18 07:08:07)

JohnG@lt wrote:

I think you're missing a big part of what the lyrics mean. It was very very clearly Marxist. Hell, people STILL think that communism and the destruction of money will create world peace etc. Idiots yes, but w/e

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace
This is the dream of a Marxist utopia on earth where there is no class struggle or strife. One world government etc. Marxism requires the destruction of religion in order to exist.


Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world
More marxist utopia garbage.

John Lennon and the Communist regime

Lennon was a hero to the pacifist youth of Central and Eastern Europe during the totalitarian era. Prior to 1989 when communism ruled, western pop songs were banned by Communist authorities, and especially John Lennon´s songs, because it was praising freedom that didn’t exist here. Some musicians were actually jailed for playing it!

When John Lennon was murdered in 1980 he became a sort of hero to some of the young and his picture was painted on this wall, for whatever reason right here, along with graffiti defying the authorities. Don’t forget that back then the Czech people had few opportunities to express their feelings with their lack of freedom. By doing this, those young activists risked prison for what authorities called “subversive activities against the state”.

But the threat of prison couldn’t keep people from slipping there at night to scrawl graffiti first in the form of Beatles lyrics and odes to Lennon, then they came to paint their own feelings and dreams on the wall.

The Communist police tried repeatedly to whitewash over the portrait and messages of peace but they could never manage to keep the wall clean. On the second day it was again full of poems and flowers with paintings of Lennon. Even the installation of surveillance cameras and the posting of an overnight guard couldn’t stop the opinions from being expressed.

AussieReaper wrote:

It's a shame that a dream of Utopian society is tarnished with the McCarthist "Communism" and therefore "Bad" routine even to this day.