ruisleipa
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So...we are fucked.

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US cult of greed is now a global environmental threat

Suzanne Goldenberg US environment correspondent
The Guardian, Wednesday 13 January 2010

The average American consumes more than his or her weight in products each day, fuelling a global culture of excess that is emerging as the biggest threat to the planet, according to a report published today. In its annual report, Worldwatch Institute says the cult of consumption and greed could wipe out any gains from government action on climate change or a shift to a clean energy economy.

Erik Assadourian, the project director who led a team of 35 behind the report, said: "Until we recognise that our environmental problems, from climate change to deforestation to species loss, are driven by unsustainable habits, we will not be able to solve the ecological crises that threaten to wash over civilisation."

The world's population is burning through the planet's resources at a reckless rate, the US thinktank said. In the last decade, consumption of goods and services rose 28% to $30.5tn (£18.8bn).

The consumer culture is no longer a mostly American habit but is spreading across the planet. Over the last 50 years, excess has been adopted as a symbol of success in developing countries from Brazil to India to China, the report said. China this week overtook the US as the world's top car market. It is already the biggest producer of greenhouse gas emissions.

Such trends were not a natural consequence of economic growth, the report said, but the result of deliberate efforts by businesses to win over consumers. Products such as the hamburger – dismissed as an unwholesome food for the poor at the beginning of the 20th century – and bottled water are now commonplace.

The average western family spends more on their pet than is spent by a human in Bangladesh.

The report did note encouraging signs of a shift away from the high spend culture. It said school meals programmes marked greater efforts to encourage healthier eating habits among children. The younger generation was also more aware of their impact on the environment.

There has to be a wholesale transformation of values and attitudes, the report said. At current rates of consumption, the world needs to erect 24 wind turbines an hour to produce enough energy to replace fossil fuel.

"We've seen some encouraging efforts to combat the world's climate crisis in the past few years," said Assadourian. "But making policy and technology changes while keeping cultures centred on consumerism and growth can only go so far.

"If we don't shift our very culture there will be new crises we have to face. Ultimately, consumerism is not going to be viable as the world population grows by 2bn and as more countries grow in economic power."

In the preface to the report, Worldwatch Institute's president, Christopher Flavin, writes: "As the world struggles to recover from the most serious global economic crisis since the Great Depression, we have an unprecedented opportunity to turn away from consumerism. In the end, the human instinct for survival must triumph over the urge to consume at any cost."
lowing
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Hmmmm, I wonder what kind of car she drives, how many of them she has, and how big her house is.

I think I heard private jet AL Gore say the same thing.
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lowing wrote:

Hmmmm, I wonder what kind of car she drives, how many of them she has, and how big her house is.

I think I heard private jet AL Gore say the same thing.
good point, this.

however, this article seems fairly neutral... it basically doesn't offer any comment or loaded-language aside from what's in the report itself.
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Its been the biggest global problem since about 1920 TBH.
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Spark
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Its been the biggest global problem since about 1920 TBH.
Um

Global depression
Rise of Nazis and militarists
WWII
Cold War and rise of militant Communism
Imminent threat of nuclear war and total annhilation of human race

Just saying.
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Spark wrote:

Cold War and rise of militant Communism.
Militant Capitalism? Vietnam war. Korean War. Bay of Pigs.
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Global depression - US greed and slack regulation
Rise of Nazis and militarists
WWII - Pacific war was essentially about the US wanting to dominate the area
Cold War and rise of militant Communism - See above
Imminent threat of nuclear war and total annhilation of human race - See above
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Global depression - US greed and slack regulation
Rise of Nazis and militarists
WWII - Pacific war was essentially about the US wanting to dominate the area
Cold War and rise of militant Communism - See above
Imminent threat of nuclear war and total annhilation of human race - See above
Alright, I sort of understand where everyone is getting the idea that the US and our excessive ways is leading a bad example, but this? You're blaming the great depression, which was world-wide, on the US? It was caused by WW1 with the amount of debt countries borrowed to fight but couldn't pay back. Germany borrowed more money than there was gold mined then, and today (since there were gold standards back then). Then there was the British pound which was essentially the world's reserve currency, and suffered tremendous deflation, hence the global down turn. The US had it's own issues.
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Dilbert needs to read more history books apparently.

And the reporter needs 2lrn2math (or at least exchange rates)

In the last decade, consumption of goods and services rose 28% to $30.5tn (£18.8bn).
I wouldn't call the article even-handed. It deals with only one side of the issue from what I can see, doesn't seek out opposing or contrasting views on the report, provide any comments from peer review...just basically free press with no independent analysis or critique one way or the other.

Pretty fine example of most of today's "reporting" in contrast with what used to happen.
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People need to stop worrying, we'll change when we really will be forced to change. The consumerism might just keep on growing, that's something you can't stop. But the efficiency all round will just keep getting better. There'll be much less waste/excess.
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Well since the newspaper report just explained wht the ACTUAL report said, it is an even-handed piece of journalism innit?

lowing - what difference does it make what car she drives? She's reporting on a report. Who cares?
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ruisleipa wrote:

Well since the newspaper report just explained wht the ACTUAL report said, it is an even-handed piece of journalism innit?

lowing - what difference does it make what car she drives? She's reporting on a report. Who cares?
Because she bought that car with money earned by selling carbon credits ...
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ruisleipa wrote:

Well since the newspaper report just explained wht the ACTUAL report said, it is an even-handed piece of journalism innit?

lowing - what difference does it make what car she drives? She's reporting on a report. Who cares?
No. Actual, even-handed journalism would use the report as a starting point, then research the topic of the report, find other viewpoints, research those viewpoints, and provide information on the topic. Not just regurgitate what is already in a report. That's not reporting. That's not journalism.
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FEOS wrote:

ruisleipa wrote:

Well since the newspaper report just explained wht the ACTUAL report said, it is an even-handed piece of journalism innit?

lowing - what difference does it make what car she drives? She's reporting on a report. Who cares?
No. Actual, even-handed journalism would use the report as a starting point, then research the topic of the report, find other viewpoints, research those viewpoints, and provide information on the topic. Not just regurgitate what is already in a report. That's not reporting. That's not journalism.
It's quite some time since we had proper journalism tbh ... news today is congruence ...
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Varegg wrote:

FEOS wrote:

ruisleipa wrote:

Well since the newspaper report just explained wht the ACTUAL report said, it is an even-handed piece of journalism innit?

lowing - what difference does it make what car she drives? She's reporting on a report. Who cares?
No. Actual, even-handed journalism would use the report as a starting point, then research the topic of the report, find other viewpoints, research those viewpoints, and provide information on the topic. Not just regurgitate what is already in a report. That's not reporting. That's not journalism.
It's quite some time since we had proper journalism tbh ... news today is congruence ...
My point exactly.
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Jeez FEOS if you're such an expert why don't you become a journalist.

Maybe I should then say it's an even-handed piece of REPORTAGE since it REPORTS on something. It's not an analysis, no. It's not an investigative piece. IT'S JUST A REPORT. Just cos you don't agree with the report the report is reporting on doesn't make it useless. Blimey.
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ruisleipa wrote:

Jeez FEOS if you're such an expert why don't you become a journalist.

Maybe I should then say it's an even-handed piece of REPORTAGE since it REPORTS on something. It's not an analysis, no. It's not an investigative piece. IT'S JUST A REPORT. Just cos you don't agree with the report the report is reporting on doesn't make it useless. Blimey.
If you don't like people's views on your posts then don't start threads here. If you don't want honest debate on your topics then don't start threads here. What you posted was a clear anti-US slant piece with no independent thought on the part of the reporter, trying to get a personal agenda, leveraging the power of media to get that message out. Nothing more.

In essence, propaganda for the "think tank" that did the "research". There was no description of the methodology, peer review, etc. Without the source linked, we don't know for sure...all we have to go on is what you posted. As provided in the OP, it's nothing but one-sided propagandistic drivel with not even a modest attempt at providing the other side of the argument, which is journalism/reporting 101. One would think someone working for The Guardian would have gone through some sort of journalism schooling to have gotten a job there, but maybe that's a stretch.

It's not claiming to be an expert. It's common fucking sense, a little deductive reasoning, and a good dose of frustration at today's lazy-ass media--regardless of their ideology.
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Yes blame everything on the Americans... What about the Chinese destroying rivers? What about greedy consumerism in other parts of the world?

Article is a biased piece of shit as FEOS has pointed out.
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ruisleipa wrote:

Well since the newspaper report just explained wht the ACTUAL report said, it is an even-handed piece of journalism innit?
It would be so nice if people didn't get their economic information from someone who learned all they know and are suddenly a pundit because they had a conversation with someone that had a conversation with someone that read the cliff notes of Das Kapital.
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FEOS wrote:

...clear anti-US slant piece with no independent thought on the part of the reporter...

...propaganda for the "think tank" that did the "research"....

...nothing but one-sided propagandistic drivel...
yes...yes...I CAN see it. That massive chip on your shoulder.

I do apologise for not providing a link. Here you are.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2 … ent-threat

Knock yerself out.

Fact is you're not arguing about the content of the report, you're arguing against the newspaper article saying it's propagansitic drivel etc etc while completely ignoring the content of it! A reporter doesn't NEED to write their OWN thoughts on it, they're just REPORTING on it. Did you see the bits where she said stuff like 'according to a report', 'the report said', 'the US think tank said' and so on? (Oh, I guess it must be an ANTI-US US THINK TANK? LOL fuckin hell man clutching at straws are we?)

I don't mind discussion of it, I'm just saying, get a grip.
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ruisleipa wrote:

Jeez FEOS if you're such an expert why don't you become a journalist.

Maybe I should then say it's an even-handed piece of REPORTAGE since it REPORTS on something. It's not an analysis, no. It's not an investigative piece. IT'S JUST A REPORT. Just cos you don't agree with the report the report is reporting on doesn't make it useless. Blimey.
He's not so much targeting you ruis as he is targeting "lazy-ass-media" ... much of the news today is just copy paste crap adding nothing what so ever ... indebt documentaries have become dinosaurs ...
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lol @ cybargs, johng@lt, FEOS etc. - man you guys are so paranoid! Everyone's against us! Build more nukes! It's the cold war all over again!


...or something.
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ruisleipa wrote:

lol @ cybargs, johng@lt, FEOS etc. - man you guys are so paranoid! Everyone's against us! Build more nukes! It's the cold war all over again!


...or something.
Is that what you got out of my reply? It has nothing to do with paranoia and everything to do with an annoyance at the free reign the internet has given to every idiot with a computer to bombard us with their stupidity and half truths. If you weren't such an idiot you would've seen it for what it is and wouldn't have bothered posting it and wasting my time with it's drivel.
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JohnG@lt wrote:

ruisleipa wrote:

Is that what you got out of my reply? It has nothing to do with paranoia and everything to do with an annoyance at the free reign the internet has given to every idiot with a computer to bombard us with their stupidity and half truths. If you weren't such an idiot you would've seen it for what it is and wouldn't have bothered posting it and wasting my time with it's drivel.
whereas everything you say is the gospel truth! Yeah right! I guess that gets another 'lol'.

Come on, you don't need to resort to calling me an idiot. You waste your own time mate, not me! I thought it was interesting. Like everyone says, if you think it's a waste of time, DON'T READ IT. And certainly don't bother commenting on it. Or, navigate away from the page, put your keyboard down and back away...slowly.
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I was wondering if this was the same US that is going to spend more than any other country both nationally and privately for the relief of Haiti.

Ya know, just like we do for every nation that has ever experienced such disasters.

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