Fek, rumbled.Cybargs wrote:
African American you KKK Hitler saluting piece of whiskey tango shit.M.O.A.B wrote:
It has whatsherface, Michelle Rodriguez in it.Mekstizzle wrote:
I heard that all the Marines/Humans portrayed in this film are white, is that true? Haven't seen this film, but if it is, then it really does lend to the fact that this film is basically preaching about all the Native American stuff etc etc..
Its complete bullshit these days, everything's racist, unless its done by a black guy against a white guy in a movie, then its not.
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[Racism] On a scale of 1-5, how racist is Avatar?
| 1 (not at all; Gandhi, MLK and Care Bears) | 65% | 65% - 25 | ||||
| 2 | 5% | 5% - 2 | ||||
| 3 | 2% | 2% - 1 | ||||
| 4 | 0% | 0% - 0 | ||||
| 5 (max; co-directed by Leni Riefenstahl for Nazi Party) | 26% | 26% - 10 | ||||
| Total: 38 | ||||||
Avatar wasn't racist. It is kind of overrated though.
Thanks for keeping it civilized, people.
2) That I happen not to mind. Efforts to reduce and eliminate industrial waste are always welcome, and this is coming from a guy who works in the construction industry.
3) But you care enough to leave comments in a thread about supposed racism in a science fiction movie.
It is a dumb question to have to ask, but I'm not one of the professional movie critics that brought it up.ruisleipa wrote:
I didn't even vote cos it's such a dumb question (no offence to the OP).
If Hollywood does that, they'll get accused of casting him because he IS black.Reciprocity wrote:
this is why every movie should star Will Smith. He's black.
That's what I thought it would be before I saw it too, is another incarnation of Fern Gully. However, since I can't really relate to corporate snobs and I do have respect for the animals that squat in my omnivorous diet, I didn't really feel that the movie was a giant guilt trip being thrown at the audience. Thusly, I was able to enjoy it for the action/effects flick it was.Varegg wrote:
If at all anything even close to resembling race issues in this movie it is what a die hard capitalistic douchebag the "white race" is in comparison to others ...
Yeah, just because a film portrays racism doesn't mean it's with racist intent. I didn't think 'Australia' was being unfair.Burwhale wrote:
I though that Baz Lurhman did his best to portray Aborigines in a very good light. Wouldnt call it racist. I didnt think Avatar was racist either.Braddock wrote:
'Australia' by Baz Luhrmann was more insulting and racist from what I've heard
...but Timon and Pumba are gay! Didn't you see the subtle hints? Wait, wrong movie.Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
People need to stop over analysing texts and pulling out tiny, insignificant pieces of corroborating evidence while ignoring the blatantly obvious.
To me, it spelled out 'respect your home and the homes of others.' I can see it being anti-imperialist, despite the fact that it was a private enterprise. However, it feels more anti-corporate than anti-capitalist. As far as hippies are concerned, the natives were killers and meat eaters. They respected their envorinment, but weren't enslaved by it, despite their direct physiological and psychological connection to it that humans can only enjoy spiritually.JohnG@lt wrote:
Film was just anti-capitalist, anti-imperialist, pro-hippie environmentalists dancing in the forest and worshiping the Earth Mother If there was any film promoting the green religion, this was it.
1) I think the East India Company and deforestation issues are a better fit than Humvees patrolling Baghdad, but to each their own.Braddock wrote:
1James Cameron has never been the king of subtlety, he was making allegorical sci-fi's before half the people on this forum were out of nappies. It's obvious that Pandora is Iraq and "unobtainium" (lol) is oil, 2it's also obvious that he's having a go at environmentally unfriendly industrial practices. 3What I'm saying is I just don't care about the supposed 'racist' undercurrent of the film, if a 12ft tall blue alien asks me to sign a petition against the film some day then I may reconsider my position, until then I'll keeping on focusing my attention on real-life issues.
2) That I happen not to mind. Efforts to reduce and eliminate industrial waste are always welcome, and this is coming from a guy who works in the construction industry.
3) But you care enough to leave comments in a thread about supposed racism in a science fiction movie.
I've always thought efforts to diversify a cast on purpose usually end up looking blatant, forced and falsified. Sure, Avatar had a cripple, but it was nowhere near as goofy (or insulting, if you go so far as to take offense) as something like Extreme Ghostbusters.Flecco wrote:
Only the main ones. Plenty of people get screen time in the background, with a variety of skin colours.Mekstizzle wrote:
I heard that all the Marines/Humans portrayed in this film are white, is that true? Haven't seen this film, but if it is, then it really does lend to the fact that this film is basically preaching about all the Native American stuff etc etc..
It was overrated, but with the budget that went into it, I honestly can't blame them for pulling every marketing string they can think of. I don't think it's the best movie of all time, but I thought it was brilliant enough, even on my second sit-through.Turquoise wrote:
Avatar wasn't racist. It is kind of overrated though.
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1) I think a lot of people have stopped seeing it as the 'white hero to the rescue' and merely see it as 'the protagonist.' I think that's a good thing, and I also see critics rooting around for race issues in a film as just picking at a wound long overdue to heal.
2) One thing it doesn't do is link governments to corporations, aside from the freelance Marines. I'm kind of glad that was left out. Too many conspiracies all at once can detract from the appeal of an action flick.
3) That's actually a good criticism. That point in the movie pointed out the reality of propaganda, but it does a good job of not dwelling on it in my opinion.
4) You're right. However, those Sioux didn't have the help of a conscious planet brain at their side. This is where the movie splits from Earth reality and takes on a stylistic 60's-70's approach to sci-fi.
5) It does seem to push buttons, even if I didn't catch the assault on the religious right throughout the feature that some pundits are whining about. If it was the speech slamming the natives' religion, that wasn't nearly enough. But I do agree that it slammed some of the worst (if not decadent) behavior humanity has to offer, and it's always nice to see the bad guys lose. Especially when they're not antiheroes designed to be rooted for, and especially when it's by a couple massive arrows through the chest of a guy in a giant robot suit. How cool was that?
2) One thing it doesn't do is link governments to corporations, aside from the freelance Marines. I'm kind of glad that was left out. Too many conspiracies all at once can detract from the appeal of an action flick.
3) That's actually a good criticism. That point in the movie pointed out the reality of propaganda, but it does a good job of not dwelling on it in my opinion.
4) You're right. However, those Sioux didn't have the help of a conscious planet brain at their side. This is where the movie splits from Earth reality and takes on a stylistic 60's-70's approach to sci-fi.
5) It does seem to push buttons, even if I didn't catch the assault on the religious right throughout the feature that some pundits are whining about. If it was the speech slamming the natives' religion, that wasn't nearly enough. But I do agree that it slammed some of the worst (if not decadent) behavior humanity has to offer, and it's always nice to see the bad guys lose. Especially when they're not antiheroes designed to be rooted for, and especially when it's by a couple massive arrows through the chest of a guy in a giant robot suit. How cool was that?
Diesel_dyk wrote:
The movie pushes a lot of buttons.
1) The "white hero" to the rescue criticism is somewhat valid, but its more of a critique about Hollywood in general, as in "when are they going to stop making these type of films." And we only hear that because this film is so successful.
2) Other criticism, like putting marines in a bad light is BS... if you scratch a little deeper, what you've got is a thinly veiled criticism of private armies like black water doing dirty wet work for giant corporations. These aren't marines fighting for freedom, these are Mercs and the MO is murder for profit without the involvement of governmental constraints. The only constraints are profit and corporate image.
3) Another criticism in the film is when the head merc says "and they believe its their deity" to which the crowd of mercs are heard laughing sarcastically. You dehumanize your enemy, you demonize them and destroy them. Pretty potent criticism and highlights the engrained negative attitudes and violent tendencies towards other religious beliefs, especially when there is profit to be made.
4) And then there is the whole parallel between Sioux victory at the little bighorn and the head merc being Custer. The Chief Alien even looks Indian and the voice over is an Indian actor Wes Studi. And for historical reference the fight against the Sioux was to secure the gold deposits in the Black hills/ devils tower area. The parallel with the movie is obvious and highlights Indigenous rights and questions of property ownership and theft.
5) The movie has lots of layers, and it pushes a lot of buttons. I wouldn't stop at the white hero stuff. To me it accurately portrays the attitudes of the religious right and the worst that humanity has to offer. And its nice to see those attitudes take a shit kicking.
But of course the entire movie is idealized with a pro-environmental theme where the protagonists are pure and good and the anatgonists are purely evil and stupid... in otherwords it Hollywood. Go see it in 3D, its worth it. 2 hours and 40 minutes and you won't notice the time go by. But if you're a religous right Merc whose hero is custer, you'd be better off rewatching blackhawk down or some John Wayne the Indian ass kicker.
Except for this coward:unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Thanks for keeping it civilized, people.
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