ruisleipa
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Just read this interesting article here

http://www.guardian.co.uk/global/2010/j … erty-obama

"Pine Ridge is among the US's largest Indian reservations – much smaller than the vast plains of the midwest that the Sioux once roamed but still bigger than England's largest county – and also among its poorest. No one is sure how many people live on its 2.2m acres, but the tribe estimates about 45,000.

Conditions on the reservation are tough. More than 80% unemployment. A desperate shortage of housing – on average, more than 15 people live in each home and others get by in cars and trailers. More than one-third of homes lacking running water or electricity. An infant mortality rate at three times the US national average. And a dependency on alcohol and a diet so poor that half the population over the age of 40 is diabetic.

The Oglala Sioux's per capita income is around $7,000 (£4,400) a year, less than one-sixth of the national average and on a par with Bulgaria. The residents of Wounded Knee, scene of the notorious 1890 massacre of Sioux women and children and of the 1973 standoff with the FBI, are typically living on less than half of that. Young people have almost no hope of work unless they sign up to fight in Afghanistan. The few with jobs are almost all employed by the tribal authorities or the federal government. It is not uncommon to hear people quietly speak of the guilt they feel for having a job. Those who don't survive on pitifully small welfare cheques. It all adds up to a life expectancy on Pine Ridge of about only 50 years."

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Gotta feel sorry for the Native Americans. fucked over by columbus, genocide, and then continually fucked over ever since.

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This is nothing new. The same problems exist within many aboriginal groups across North America.
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ruisleipa wrote:

Just read this interesting article here

http://www.guardian.co.uk/global/2010/j … erty-obama

"Pine Ridge is among the US's largest Indian reservations – much smaller than the vast plains of the midwest that the Sioux once roamed but still bigger than England's largest county – and also among its poorest. No one is sure how many people live on its 2.2m acres, but the tribe estimates about 45,000.

Conditions on the reservation are tough. More than 80% unemployment. A desperate shortage of housing – on average, more than 15 people live in each home and others get by in cars and trailers. More than one-third of homes lacking running water or electricity. An infant mortality rate at three times the US national average. And a dependency on alcohol and a diet so poor that half the population over the age of 40 is diabetic.

The Oglala Sioux's per capita income is around $7,000 (£4,400) a year, less than one-sixth of the national average and on a par with Bulgaria. The residents of Wounded Knee, scene of the notorious 1890 massacre of Sioux women and children and of the 1973 standoff with the FBI, are typically living on less than half of that. Young people have almost no hope of work unless they sign up to fight in Afghanistan. The few with jobs are almost all employed by the tribal authorities or the federal government. It is not uncommon to hear people quietly speak of the guilt they feel for having a job. Those who don't survive on pitifully small welfare cheques. It all adds up to a life expectancy on Pine Ridge of about only 50 years."

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Gotta feel sorry for the Native Americans. fucked over by columbus, genocide, and then continually fucked over ever since.
Why don't they actually go out and find jobs?
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ruisleipa
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read the article man - over 80% unemployment.
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ruisleipa wrote:

read the article man - over 80% unemployment.
So what the fuck does that have to do with finding a job?

They aren't forced to stay where they are.
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Superior Mind wrote:

This is nothing new. The same problems exist within many aboriginal groups across North America.
Same situation in Aus too.

Mainland that is. There arent any original Tasmanian aboriginals left... they all got killed didnt they?
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KuSTaV wrote:

Superior Mind wrote:

This is nothing new. The same problems exist within many aboriginal groups across North America.
Same situation in Aus too.

Mainland that is. There arent any original Tasmanian aboriginals left... they all got killed didnt they?
There's 2 left. They argue over who has legit claims.


Tbh, come to Katherine or Alice Springs, see the town camps, see the communities. Compare and contrast Milingimby or Beswick or Maningrida or Yirrikala to the town camps of Katherine, Darwin and Alice.


The end game is fuck welfare. Fuck it right off.
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ruisleipa
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well it's true that all over the world indigenous peoples have been fucked over by the 'civilised' others...

even in Finland.
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Flecco wrote:

ruisleipa wrote:

read the article man - over 80% unemployment.
So what the fuck does that have to do with finding a job?

They aren't forced to stay where they are.
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The first welfare program in the US. Worked well.
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80% unemployment and they choose to live on the reservation... why? Because they get a monthly welfare check from the government as long as they are on the reservation.
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ruisleipa
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JohnG@lt wrote:

80% unemployment and they choose to live on the reservation... why? Because they get a monthly welfare check from the government as long as they are on the reservation.
dunno if its this simple. I'm not gonna get into an 'argument' about this but after reading the whole article it seems that the welfare check they get is fuck all, so I doubt that's the reason they stay. More like they are trying to live on the land of their forefathers etc etc. I mean, their people were raped by the white man over many years. Shouldn't they be given the means to live where they choose? I dunno, I just thought it was an interesting article if anyone bothered to read the whole thing from the link in the OP.

Anyway like I said not gonna get into a flame war about welfare...again.
Jay
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ruisleipa wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

80% unemployment and they choose to live on the reservation... why? Because they get a monthly welfare check from the government as long as they are on the reservation.
dunno if its this simple. I'm not gonna get into an 'argument' about this but after reading the whole article it seems that the welfare check they get is fuck all, so I doubt that's the reason they stay. More like they are trying to live on the land of their forefathers etc etc. I mean, their people were raped by the white man over many years. Shouldn't they be given the means to live where they choose? I dunno, I just thought it was an interesting article if anyone bothered to read the whole thing from the link in the OP.

Anyway like I said not gonna get into a flame war about welfare...again.
Worshiping the past is insanity. That's all they are doing. None of them were alive when the Natives had free rule of the plains. None of them were alive when buffalo roamed free on the plains. Gripping a past that they have never known themselves just makes them look retarded. Move off the damn reservation already, no one is going to treat you poorly because you're from a tribe. Hell, you'll be a novelty and embraced in liberal society for it
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There should be lots of opportunities for the people to work and they have a lot of land.

I wonder why neither opportunity is being pursued.  Are you sure it's the government's fault?

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I grew up around Indian reservations so I have had a first hand experience with what goes on at least in Minnesota.  the government built them some pretty nice houses fixed all the roads built schools and set them up with resorts on nice lakes to make income.  within 2 years all of the houses were stripped clean of copper pipes and anything else they could sell. the same with the resort cabins. the roads were all tore up and every house had a pile of discareded junk they had used and abused and dead cars all over the streets and packs of wild dogs running around.
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California indians are raking in dough
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What you rarely find in the history books is that Native Americans themselves also sought out trade with the white man. They wanted European goods and often intentionally screwed each other over to get it.
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It's a sad state of affairs, similar to that seen in Australia with the Aborigines and in other parts of the world. These people were getting along just fine until the 'white devil' turned up and for that we share a certain amount of collective blame (though not directly, obviously). Sadly the world they once lived in is now an illusory one from a bygone era, virtually incompatible with the modern world they now find themselves in. On a social level aboriginal tribes that have been shafted by invaders tend to exhibit self-destructive habits and almost cancerous low self-esteem... it would make for very interesting sociological studies I'd imagine.
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eleven bravo wrote:

California indians are raking in dough
Not all of them though.  The successful ones are trying to keep the poor ones from setting up their own casinos.  I wonder how the Tonkawa and Gabrieleno tribes are doing.  They should be raking in a ton due to all the Chinese in the area.
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Christbane wrote:

I grew up around Indian reservations so I have had a first hand experience with what goes on at least in Minnesota.  the government built them some pretty nice houses fixed all the roads built schools and set them up with resorts on nice lakes to make income.  within 2 years all of the houses were stripped clean of copper pipes and anything else they could sell. the same with the resort cabins. the roads were all tore up and every house had a pile of discareded junk they had used and abused and dead cars all over the streets and packs of wild dogs running around.
Same over here in Canada, at least im talking about the Quebec part...we got lots of reserve...those Indian are basically given money to do fuck all except drink, snort coke and make road block whenever they fell like it.

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