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Johann Hari: You are being lied to about pirates

Who imagined that in 2009, the world's governments would be declaring a new War on Pirates? As you read this, the British Royal Navy – backed by the ships of more than two dozen nations, from the US to China – is sailing into Somalian waters to take on men we still picture as parrot-on-the-shoulder pantomime villains. They will soon be fighting Somalian ships and even chasing the pirates onto land, into one of the most broken countries on earth. But behind the arrr-me-hearties oddness of this tale, there is an untold scandal. The people our governments are labelling as "one of the great menaces of our times" have an extraordinary story to tell – and some justice on their side.

Pirates have never been quite who we think they are. In the "golden age of piracy" – from 1650 to 1730 – the idea of the pirate as the senseless, savage Bluebeard that lingers today was created by the British government in a great propaganda heave. Many ordinary people believed it was false: pirates were often saved from the gallows by supportive crowds. Why? What did they see that we can't? In his book Villains Of All Nations, the historian Marcus Rediker pores through the evidence.

If you became a merchant or navy sailor then – plucked from the docks of London's East End, young and hungry – you ended up in a floating wooden Hell. You worked all hours on a cramped, half-starved ship, and if you slacked off, the all-powerful captain would whip you with the Cat O' Nine Tails. If you slacked often, you could be thrown overboard. And at the end of months or years of this, you were often cheated of your wages.

Pirates were the first people to rebel against this world. They mutinied – and created a different way of working on the seas. Once they had a ship, the pirates elected their captains, and made all their decisions collectively, without torture. They shared their bounty out in what Rediker calls "one of the most egalitarian plans for the disposition of resources to be found anywhere in the eighteenth century".

They even took in escaped African slaves and lived with them as equals. The pirates showed "quite clearly – and subversively – that ships did not have to be run in the brutal and oppressive ways of the merchant service and the Royal Navy." This is why they were romantic heroes, despite being unproductive thieves.

The words of one pirate from that lost age, a young British man called William Scott, should echo into this new age of piracy. Just before he was hanged in Charleston, South Carolina, he said: "What I did was to keep me from perishing. I was forced to go a-pirateing to live." In 1991, the government of Somalia collapsed. Its nine million people have been teetering on starvation ever since – and the ugliest forces in the Western world have seen this as a great opportunity to steal the country's food supply and dump our nuclear waste in their seas.

Yes: nuclear waste. As soon as the government was gone, mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died.

Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, the UN envoy to Somalia, tells me: "Somebody is dumping nuclear material here. There is also lead, and heavy metals such as cadmium and mercury – you name it." Much of it can be traced back to European hospitals and factories, who seem to be passing it on to the Italian mafia to "dispose" of cheaply. When I asked Mr Ould-Abdallah what European governments were doing about it, he said with a sigh: "Nothing. There has been no clean-up, no compensation, and no prevention."

At the same time, other European ships have been looting Somalia's seas of their greatest resource: seafood. We have destroyed our own fish stocks by overexploitation – and now we have moved on to theirs. More than $300m-worth of tuna, shrimp, and lobster are being stolen every year by illegal trawlers. The local fishermen are now starving. Mohammed Hussein, a fisherman in the town of Marka 100km south of Mogadishu, told Reuters: "If nothing is done, there soon won't be much fish left in our coastal waters."

This is the context in which the "pirates" have emerged. Somalian fishermen took speedboats to try to dissuade the dumpers and trawlers, or at least levy a "tax" on them. They call themselves the Volunteer Coastguard of Somalia – and ordinary Somalis agree. The independent Somalian news site WardheerNews found 70 per cent "strongly supported the piracy as a form of national defence".

No, this doesn't make hostage-taking justifiable, and yes, some are clearly just gangsters – especially those who have held up World Food Programme supplies. But in a telephone interview, one of the pirate leaders, Sugule Ali: "We don't consider ourselves sea bandits. We consider sea bandits [to be] those who illegally fish and dump in our seas." William Scott would understand.

Did we expect starving Somalians to stand passively on their beaches, paddling in our toxic waste, and watch us snatch their fish to eat in restaurants in London and Paris and Rome? We won't act on those crimes – the only sane solution to this problem – but when some of the fishermen responded by disrupting the transit-corridor for 20 per cent of the world's oil supply, we swiftly send in the gunboats.

The story of the 2009 war on piracy was best summarised by another pirate, who lived and died in the fourth century BC. He was captured and brought to Alexander the Great, who demanded to know "what he meant by keeping possession of the sea." The pirate smiled, and responded: "What you mean by seizing the whole earth; but because I do it with a petty ship, I am called a robber, while you, who do it with a great fleet, are called emperor." Once again, our great imperial fleets sail – but who is the robber?

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It certainly raises some interesting ideas, and whilst piracy clearly isn't justifiable, neither is what we're apparently doing to the Somalis. Although exploiting third world nations seems to be something of a past-time of the West. I'm also not sure how comfortable I am eating fish that's come from waters containing nuclear waste.

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Never knew all of that... clearly a diplomatic solution would be best. See what that accomplishes. If that helps, then fine. If it doesn't stop the piracy, then obviously other measures are necessary.

But honestly, this world is so screwed up, Europe and North America just prey on whomever they can, whenever they can.
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Lot's of hearsay in that article.  Could be true, could not be.  We have speculation and Somali citizens as corroberation

Clearly these allegations should be looked into and appropriate action should be taken to discourage and punish those responsible if proven.
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Lot's of hearsay in that article.  Could be true, could not be.  We have speculation and Somali citizens as corroberation

Clearly these allegations should be looked into and appropriate action should be taken to discourage and punish those responsible if proven.
Yeah I thought that too, hence I wrote apparently.
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The Mafia have been dumping a lot of waste in the Mediterranean also.
A lot of the waste 'recycled' in Europe, especially Germany, is simply dumped on African beaches.
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CapnNismo wrote:

Never knew all of that... clearly a diplomatic solution would be best. See what that accomplishes. If that helps, then fine. If it doesn't stop the piracy, then obviously other measures are necessary.

But honestly, this world is so screwed up, Europe and North America just prey on whomever they can, whenever they can.
What the fuck are you in about? North America just prey on whomever they can??? First, I didn't see the US mentioned as offenders anywhere.  The article mentioned Italy and Russia.   Furthermore, the US gives more in foreign aid than any other country.  No matter how much ob apologizes, it isn't my countries fault.
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DBBrinson1 wrote:

What the fuck are you in about? North America just prey on whomever they can??? First, I didn't see the US mentioned as offenders anywhere.  The article mentioned Italy and Russia.   Furthermore, the US gives more in foreign aid than any other country.  No matter how much ob apologizes, it isn't my countries fault.
I never saw Russia specifically mentioned in that article... But Europe and the Italian mafia (not Italy, just the mafia living there) in general were mentioned. What countries you then decide to lump into Europe is your own deal.

But you cannot deny that North America (Mexico, USA and Canada) do love to prey on the weak, especially the USA. Just look at Iraq for the latest proof.

As far as Europe goes, though, heads need to roll...
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The Somalis held ships for ransom aka getting money and not to complain about nuclear waste or robbing of resources ... hence they are petty pirates ...

The article is written by a credible journalist in The Independent but his twist is somewhat off ... the history on pirates is a very interesting one, I guess most people have seen "The mutiny on the Bounty", that movie tells the tale of how and why many British sailor was forced into piracy ... pirates can be called the first true socialists of the free world ...
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CapnNismo wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

What the fuck are you in about? North America just prey on whomever they can??? First, I didn't see the US mentioned as offenders anywhere.  The article mentioned Italy and Russia.   Furthermore, the US gives more in foreign aid than any other country.  No matter how much ob apologizes, it isn't my countries fault.
I never saw Russia specifically mentioned in that article... But Europe and the Italian mafia (not Italy, just the mafia living there) in general were mentioned. What countries you then decide to lump into Europe is your own deal.

But you cannot deny that North America (Mexico, USA and Canada) do love to prey on the weak, especially the USA. Just look at Iraq for the latest proof.

As far as Europe goes, though, heads need to roll...
Point the finger at us? What about the sins of your country? Your country caused the genocides in Bosnia and Kosovo.
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JohnG@lt wrote:

CapnNismo wrote:

DBBrinson1 wrote:

What the fuck are you in about? North America just prey on whomever they can??? First, I didn't see the US mentioned as offenders anywhere.  The article mentioned Italy and Russia.   Furthermore, the US gives more in foreign aid than any other country.  No matter how much ob apologizes, it isn't my countries fault.
I never saw Russia specifically mentioned in that article... But Europe and the Italian mafia (not Italy, just the mafia living there) in general were mentioned. What countries you then decide to lump into Europe is your own deal.

But you cannot deny that North America (Mexico, USA and Canada) do love to prey on the weak, especially the USA. Just look at Iraq for the latest proof.

As far as Europe goes, though, heads need to roll...
Point the finger at us? What about the sins of your country? Your country caused the genocides in Bosnia and Kosovo.
I believe he's American, sorry...

As for the article, like everything there are two sides to the story and both are valid. I take niether side, infact I rarely do these days, not through apathy but because I can see both the pirates and the Wests interests. If pirates want to pirate then go for it, as long as they don't complain and make ot they're innocent when captured or killed, same for the dumping of waste.

Interesting none the less that we apparentely dump nuclear waste and then fish from the same seas. Perhaps there's some truth to that, but like all semi controversial stories I'm sure they're milking it a bit.
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DBBrinson1 wrote:

Furthermore, the US gives more in foreign aid than any other country.
As a percentage of our GNP, however, the US gives less than many other first world countries. Less than half a percent of our GNP is nothing to brag about.
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If they can afford to take hold of Oil Tankers right in the middle of the Indian Ocean, then they should be able to destroy all these European tankers and fishers that steal their food and dump toxic waste in their lands, no? I find it hard to believe that it's all caused because of certain countries. They could easily forcibly tell them to kindly fuck off if they really wanted to. And who's fault is it really that their government collapsed and they couldn't sort it out anyway.

That's my take on it. The article can't honestly make me believe that these pirates are just taking over European fishing ships and ships that dump toxic waste as it is their fair duty to defend their waters from such activities, cos I've never heard of them doing that, and if they really were like that I'm sure they'd have alot more support around the world.

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