BF2S Forums Russia seeks U.S. help in fight against heroin epidemic

If the Russian government wanted to affect real change, it would look within its own country. Surely they must realise that a restriction of opium production will result in an increase in heroin prices in Russia. As a result, (violent) crime to fund drug addiction will increase.

If they were to target any group, it should be the drug barons and their distribution channels that seem to have immunity within the Russian legal system. But hey, I guess that will never happen considering the level of corruption within Russia.

mcminty wrote:

If the Russian government wanted to affect real change, it would look within its own country. Surely they must realise that a restriction of opium production will result in an increase in heroin prices in Russia. As a result, (violent) crime to fund drug addiction will increase.

If they were to target any group, it should be the drug barons and their distribution channels that seem to have immunity within the Russian legal system. But hey, I guess that will never happen considering the level of corruption within Russia.

within its own country? orly? usa had seen it fit to spend huge amounts on the effort to eradicate coca and to train and equip counternarcotics staff in columbia, but russia should look inside its borders. yeah.

Last edited by Shahter (2009-12-10 06:35:00)

Cybargs wrote:

Russia should have better border security.

I suggest you get yourself a map, take a look at Russia, more specifically her size, then think real hard how you're going to properly secure that border.

M.O.A.B wrote:

Shahter wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

War on drugs idiot.

look, kid, why don't you fuck off already. it takes more than yelling on an internet forums to insult me.

usa doesn't fight war in drugs, usa doesn't fight war on terrorism or any such noncense. since they got in afghanistan the opium production in that shithole exploded, flooding russia and other nations with this crap, while them fucking jedi have been doing next to nothing about it.

Because at the moment, burning those fields isn't a sensible option. There's a bit more to it than laying waste the the place. Also high drug use usually occurs in deprived areas, so the Russian government needs to start providing for those areas.

In that case I'd suggest 100% open borders between the US, Mesoamerica and Colombia

mcminty wrote:

And the USA's approach has worked?


ha..

I wish we would just legalize it, and stop chasing our tails. Legalize it, and the problem goes away. However, I do not see a problem now. People sell drugs people buy drugs, am I supposed to care about either group?

Last edited by lowing (2009-12-10 06:53:23)

lowing wrote:

mcminty wrote:

And the USA's approach has worked?


ha..

I wish we would just legalize it, and stop chasing our tails. Legalize it, and the problem goes away. However, I do not see a problem now. People sell drugs people buy drugs, am I supposed to care about either group?

Hard drugs shouldn't be legalized, but I do think the USA has it totally wrong sending people to jail for possession of marijuana. Confiscate it, destroy it, but to destroy someone's life for having enough weed to get high? That's ridiculous..

You should care about those groups as those activities create secondary crime..

JohnG@lt wrote:

Shrug, it all comes down to convincing the people that shooting heroin into their arm is a bad thing. Even if the poppy fields in Afghanistan were burned there is still synthesized heroin that could hit the streets. Hell, people here in America cook up fucking cough syrup and turn it into drugs. If people want to get high, they will. It really doesn't matter what the drug is because even if it were eliminated it would just be replaced.

Work internally to destroy the drug culture... or just conduct a massive social darwinist experiment and let them all kill themselves. Once their friends start dying you wouldn't believe how fast the rest all rush to clean themselves up.

this is complete bullshit. you can no more destroy drug culture that you can catch the wind. and you've obviously never even spoken to a single person addicted to opiates. friends dying would convince them to stop? really? i'd laugh if it wasn't so sad, dude.
you have also completely disregarded the matter of availability. if you place enough obstacles in the way of those who manufacture and traffic drugs it will simply become economically unreasonable to spread them em-masse. russian population is generally very poor, but, thanks to enormous increase of production of h in afganistan since usa invasion one gramm of it (ten dosages for your "normal" addict) costs about ten bucks in russia today against about a hundred and fifty in 1999 - if the price went back to these levels very few people would be able to afford heroin in russia. it's that simple.

Shahter wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Shrug, it all comes down to convincing the people that shooting heroin into their arm is a bad thing. Even if the poppy fields in Afghanistan were burned there is still synthesized heroin that could hit the streets. Hell, people here in America cook up fucking cough syrup and turn it into drugs. If people want to get high, they will. It really doesn't matter what the drug is because even if it were eliminated it would just be replaced.

Work internally to destroy the drug culture... or just conduct a massive social darwinist experiment and let them all kill themselves. Once their friends start dying you wouldn't believe how fast the rest all rush to clean themselves up.

this is complete bullshit. you can no more destroy drug culture that you can catch the wind. and you've obviously never even spoken to a single person addicted to opiates. friends dying would convince them to stop? really? i'd laugh if it wasn't so sad, dude.
you have also completely disregarded the matter of availability. if you place enough obstacles in the way of those who manufacture and traffic drugs it will simply become economically unreasonable to spread them em-masse. russian population is generally very poor, but, thanks to enormous increase of production of h in afganistan since usa invasion one gramm of it (ten dosages for your "normal" addict) costs about ten bucks in russia today against about a hundred and fifty in 1999 - if the price went back to these levels very few people would be able to afford heroin in russia. it's that simple.

I have no idea? My uncle got sent to prison twice for armed robbery. He was addicted to crack. I do have first hand experience with drug abusers and it took him getting kicked in the ass twice before he cleaned himself up. Trying to protect people from themselves is futile.

Shahter wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

I have no idea? My uncle got sent to prison twice for armed robbery. He was addicted to crack. I do have first hand experience with drug abusers and it took him getting kicked in the ass twice before he cleaned himself up. Trying to protect people from themselves is futile.

you didn't learn anything form your first hand experience.

Learn anything? He was addicted to an illegal substance. Should we have made it more illegal? How does one make an illegal substance even more illegal?

Shahter wrote:

lowing wrote:

People sell drugs people buy drugs, am I supposed to care about either group?

if one of your loved ones becomes a member of either group - you will.

Ain't gunna happen slick

If you really want to win a The War on Drugs with Heroine dealers, you need this guy



Only problem is

Spoiler (highlight to read):
He's dead

Last edited by Doctor Strangelove (2009-12-10 12:15:25)

lowing wrote:

However, I do not care about drug users or criminals. Both the same worthless pieces of shit to me. I am not interested in rehabilitation. If a criminal or a drug user wants rehabilitated, they can pay for it, or charity can pay for it, AFTER their punishment.

I'm not saying that you should care about them enough to go "here, I'll pay for your rehab".. but you should be mindful of such groups as they do generate secondary criminal activity (to support the drug habit), which does spill out into other groups in society. I guess I used "care" in that sense of the word.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Because its the Afghans best cash crop.
Try telling the Dutch to grow sprouts instead of tulips.

Wrong.

See tables 1 and 2, page 3.

On a $/hectare basis, poppy is marginally better than wheat or corn, far outstripped by perennial crops like apricots, grapes, pomegranates, and almonds.

Hence alternative development efforts like USAID's and others.