Macbeth
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Russia's top drugs adviser has called on the United States to use its troop surge into Afghanistan to help stem the flow of drugs entering its borders, as heroin addiction reaches epidemic levels.

Last week President Barack Obama announced plans to send an extra 30,000 U.S. troops to the region in an effort to stabilize the Afghan government by defeating the Taliban, who are believed to be heavily involved in the country's burgeoning drugs trade.

However the strategy of destroying the poppy fields of southern Afghanistan, which yield the heroin flooding out of the country, is now viewed as counterproductive by the U.S.-led coalition because it drives farmers into the hands of the Taliban.

Last year the United Nations Office for Drugs and Crime (UNODC) estimated that Afghan poppy farmers earned around $730 million, making it a hugely lucrative cash crop.

But Russia, estimated to have between one-and-half and six million addicts, says poppy fields are the real killer in this war-ravaged land and should be destroyed.

It has a compelling case: health ministry officials say overdoses kill around 80 people a day in Russia and are fueling the spread of HIV.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/12 … index.html
So lets say Hell was to freeze over and Russia sent some of their cannon fodder soldiers into Afghanistan to help eradicate heroin and support the U.S., do you think they would have a positive effect because of more troops in the area to maintain order or do you think the Afghans would freak out since the Russians would be back?
Shahter
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won't happen. i'm sure usa is pretty content with russian population being destroyed by heroin. now, before you yankees start yelling at me - no, i don't think usa actually supports afghani in their opium production. but they certainly won't do shit to stop it as long as it works to their advantage.

oh, and russia doesn't need to sent any "cannon fodder" soldiers in there - just napalm bomb the fucking plantations. but this usa won't allow too because it's vewed as "counterproductive by the U.S.-led coalition".

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Cybargs
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Shahter wrote:

won't happen. i'm sure usa is pretty content with russian population being destroyed by heroin. now, before you yankees start yelling at me - no, i don't think usa actually supports afghani in their opium production. but they certainly won't do shit to stop it as long as it works to their advantage.

oh, and russia doesn't need to sent any "cannon fodder" soldiers in there - just napalm bomb the fucking plantations. but this usa won't allow too because it's vewed as "counterproductive by the U.S.-led coalition".
War on drugs idiot.
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Shahter
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Cybargs wrote:

War on drugs idiot.
look, kid, why don't you fuck off already. it takes more than yelling on an internet forums to insult me.

usa doesn't fight war in drugs, usa doesn't fight war on terrorism or any such noncense. since they got in afghanistan the opium production in that shithole exploded, flooding russia and other nations with this crap, while them fucking jedi have been doing next to nothing about it.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Cybargs
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Shahter wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

War on drugs idiot.
look, kid, why don't you fuck off already. it takes more than yelling on an internet forums to insult me.

usa doesn't fight war in drugs, usa doesn't fight war on terrorism or any such noncense. since they got in afghanistan the opium production in that shithole exploded, flooding russia and other nations with this crap, while them fucking jedi have been doing next to nothing about it.
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3711

400 BILLION dollars on war on terror

http://www.drugsense.org/wodclock.htm

48 BILLION spent on war on drugs. Not fighting a war my ass.
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Shahter
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Cybargs wrote:

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3711

400 BILLION dollars on war on terror

http://www.drugsense.org/wodclock.htm

48 BILLION spent on war on drugs. Not fighting a war my ass.
look, imbecile, the fact that they say they fight somekinda war doesn't mean shit. go google "opium production in afghanistan" or something and see for yourself.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Cybargs
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Shahter wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3711

400 BILLION dollars on war on terror

http://www.drugsense.org/wodclock.htm

48 BILLION spent on war on drugs. Not fighting a war my ass.
look, imbecile, the fact that they say they fight somekinda war doesn't mean shit. go google "opium production in afghanistan" or something and see for yourself.
Yes I know its on the rise, and I suggest you do some research why they are allowing farmers to keep producing for now.

I know youd enjoy it a lot more if they would nuke Afghanistan.
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Shahter wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3711

400 BILLION dollars on war on terror

http://www.drugsense.org/wodclock.htm

48 BILLION spent on war on drugs. Not fighting a war my ass.
look, imbecile, the fact that they say they fight somekinda war doesn't mean shit. go google "opium production in afghanistan" or something and see for yourself.
^This. You have to be tremendously naive to think this was bush's intentions.
Lai
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Macbeth wrote:

So lets say Hell was to freeze over and Russia sent some of their cannon fodder soldiers into Afghanistan
Why the fuck doesn't the US sent in cannon fodder in a genuinely massive surge to settle the issue with the Talibs, why would Russia have to bear the grunt,.. again,.. of what is a specifically American problem? Because coalition countries generally don't have conscription, walk around in ceramic plate armour and generally prefer the safety of their bases? Don't get me wrong, I appreciate what is being done here and truly respect the men and women serving and dying there, but none of the coalition countries has come anywhere close to 'full commitment' let alone total war. Military capacity is still being used conservatively. I don't see why Russia would have to compensate for that.
Shahter
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Cybargs wrote:

Yes I know its on the rise, and I suggest you do some research why they are allowing farmers to keep producing for now.

I know youd enjoy it a lot more if they would nuke Afghanistan.
afghanis produce shit that kills 35000+ russians a year. t h i r t y   f i v e   t h a u s a n d s, dipshit, that's ten times as many as  those who died on 9/11, and every fucking year. but taking care of that problem is "viewed as counterproductive by U.S.-led coalition". great, fucking awesome!

yes, i would prefer if they nuked the shithole. now, fuck off.

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Cybargs
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Shahter wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Yes I know its on the rise, and I suggest you do some research why they are allowing farmers to keep producing for now.

I know youd enjoy it a lot more if they would nuke Afghanistan.
afghanis produce shit that kills 35000+ russians a year. t h i r t y   f i v e   t h a u s a n d s, dipshit, that's ten times as many as  those who died on 9/11, and every fucking year. but taking care of that problem is "viewed as counterproductive by U.S.-led coalition". great, fucking awesome!

yes, i would prefer if they nuked the shithole. now, fuck off.
Heroin killed Kurt Cobain, who is worth 1 Russia.

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Vilham
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I don't quite see why the US should do something to help the Russians that is disadvantages to the Afghans. If Russia wants to resolve this problem they can do something about it themselves.
Shahter
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Vilham wrote:

If Russia wants to resolve this problem they can do something about it themselves.
absolutely. the problem is there are certain dudes - that are supposedly the free and the brave - in afghanistan that would interfere if russia tried to do something about the opium production in there.

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Lai
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Vilham wrote:

I don't quite see why the US should do something to help the Russians that is disadvantages to the Afghans. If Russia wants to resolve this problem they can do something about it themselves.
Because it was US policy that blew this 'Russian problem' out of proportions.
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Macbeth wrote:

So lets say Hell was to freeze over and Russia sent some of their cannon fodder soldiers into Afghanistan to help eradicate heroin and support the U.S.
Uh its US troops going in which has caused the problem.
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Macbeth wrote:

the Afghans would freak out since the Russians would be back
This. Doesn't matter why.
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It's all very well we're helping the Afghan's out by letting them grow dope, but it does make the War on Terror and the War Against Drugs seem rather contradictory. If we're occupying the country that produces a gigantic fucktonne of heroine, why not use it to slow down drugs production as well?
Dilbert_X
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Because its the Afghans best cash crop.
Try telling the Dutch to grow sprouts instead of tulips.
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ghettoperson wrote:

It's all very well we're helping the Afghan's out by letting them grow dope, but it does make the War on Terror and the War Against Drugs seem rather contradictory. If we're occupying the country that produces a gigantic fucktonne of heroine, why not use it to slow down drugs production as well?

Dilbert_X wrote:

Because its the Afghans best cash crop.
Try telling the Dutch to grow sprouts instead of tulips.
This.

While there is a certain part of the population who welcomes the ISAF and their attempt to restore a "normal life" (ie. one that isn't also influenced by the taliban, etc), any deliberate targeting of opium crops by ISAF troops will likely result in that part of the population further supporting the insurgency.
Shahter
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mcminty wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

It's all very well we're helping the Afghan's out by letting them grow dope, but it does make the War on Terror and the War Against Drugs seem rather contradictory. If we're occupying the country that produces a gigantic fucktonne of heroine, why not use it to slow down drugs production as well?

Dilbert_X wrote:

Because its the Afghans best cash crop.
Try telling the Dutch to grow sprouts instead of tulips.
This.

While there is a certain part of the population who welcomes the ISAF and their attempt to restore a "normal life" (ie. one that isn't also influenced by the taliban, etc), any deliberate targeting of opium crops by ISAF troops will likely result in that part of the population further supporting the insurgency.
... so let them flood russia with heroin. easy.
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Lai
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Dilbert_X wrote:

Because its the Afghans best cash crop.
Try telling the Dutch to grow sprouts instead of tulips.
Actually the Dutch have devised a program in Afghanistan to replace the Poppyfields with Saphranfields, since that crop also does well in the Afghan climate and has a similar or better economic yield, without the associated moral objections. Also it's kinda cool

It is still on too small a scale though, but it shows that there are feasable alternatives.
Jay
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Shahter wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Yes I know its on the rise, and I suggest you do some research why they are allowing farmers to keep producing for now.

I know youd enjoy it a lot more if they would nuke Afghanistan.
afghanis produce shit that kills 35000+ russians a year. t h i r t y   f i v e   t h a u s a n d s, dipshit, that's ten times as many as  those who died on 9/11, and every fucking year. but taking care of that problem is "viewed as counterproductive by U.S.-led coalition". great, fucking awesome!

yes, i would prefer if they nuked the shithole. now, fuck off.
Who's to blame? The afghani farmers or the people injecting heroin into their bodies? Blaming the afghanis for providing the drugs is stupid. If there wasn't a demand for it, there would be no supply. No one is putting a gun to the heads of young Russians and telling them to shoot up or die. Free will holmes.
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Cybargs
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Shahter wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Yes I know its on the rise, and I suggest you do some research why they are allowing farmers to keep producing for now.

I know youd enjoy it a lot more if they would nuke Afghanistan.
afghanis produce shit that kills 35000+ russians a year. t h i r t y   f i v e   t h a u s a n d s, dipshit, that's ten times as many as  those who died on 9/11, and every fucking year. but taking care of that problem is "viewed as counterproductive by U.S.-led coalition". great, fucking awesome!

yes, i would prefer if they nuked the shithole. now, fuck off.
Who's to blame? The afghani farmers or the people injecting heroin into their bodies? Blaming the afghanis for providing the drugs is stupid. If there wasn't a demand for it, there would be no supply. No one is putting a gun to the heads of young Russians and telling them to shoot up or die. Free will holmes.
Russians don't believe in free will remember? Besides its natural selection, why is anyone complaining?
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Shahter
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Shahter wrote:

Cybargs wrote:

Yes I know its on the rise, and I suggest you do some research why they are allowing farmers to keep producing for now.

I know youd enjoy it a lot more if they would nuke Afghanistan.
afghanis produce shit that kills 35000+ russians a year. t h i r t y   f i v e   t h a u s a n d s, dipshit, that's ten times as many as  those who died on 9/11, and every fucking year. but taking care of that problem is "viewed as counterproductive by U.S.-led coalition". great, fucking awesome!

yes, i would prefer if they nuked the shithole. now, fuck off.
Who's to blame? The afghani farmers or the people injecting heroin into their bodies? Blaming the afghanis for providing the drugs is stupid. If there wasn't a demand for it, there would be no supply. No one is putting a gun to the heads of young Russians and telling them to shoot up or die. Free will holmes.
this has been debated to no end. i could post a thousand arguments for you here on how this whole shit works, how easily that demand for drugs is created and what kind of "free will" a 12-years old really has, but i'm sure it'll all be ignored again.
anyway, the problem is there and there are ways to deal with it. one is to do something about those who grow the shit, but it's out of russia's hands as long as usa terror fighters and liberators are there and consider this way to be "counterproductive" to whatever they are trying to achieve. capiche?
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Cybargs
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Shahter wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Shahter wrote:


afghanis produce shit that kills 35000+ russians a year. t h i r t y   f i v e   t h a u s a n d s, dipshit, that's ten times as many as  those who died on 9/11, and every fucking year. but taking care of that problem is "viewed as counterproductive by U.S.-led coalition". great, fucking awesome!

yes, i would prefer if they nuked the shithole. now, fuck off.
Who's to blame? The afghani farmers or the people injecting heroin into their bodies? Blaming the afghanis for providing the drugs is stupid. If there wasn't a demand for it, there would be no supply. No one is putting a gun to the heads of young Russians and telling them to shoot up or die. Free will holmes.
this has been debated to no end. i could post a thousand arguments for you here on how this whole shit works, how easily that demand for drugs is created and what kind of "free will" a 12-years old really has, but i'm sure it'll all be ignored again.
anyway, the problem is there and there are ways to deal with it. one is to do something about those who grow the shit, but it's out of russia's hands as long as usa terror fighters and liberators are there and consider this way to be "counterproductive" to whatever they are trying to achieve. capiche?
Russia should have better border security.
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