Harmor
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IAEA chief: Iran investigation at 'dead end'

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Breitbart wrote:

Nov 26 01:05 PM US/Eastern
By GEORGE JAHN
Associated Press Writer

VIENNA (AP) - The International Atomic Energy Agency probe of Iran's nuclear program is at a dead end because Tehran is not cooperating, the chief of the U.N. nuclear watchdog said Thursday in an unusually blunt expression of frustration four days before he leaves office.

Mohamed ElBaradei also warned that international confidence in Iran's assertions of purely peaceful intent shrank after its belated revelation of a previously secret nuclear facility. And he criticized Tehran for not accepting an internationally endorsed plan meant to delay its achieving the ability to make nuclear weapons.

"There has been no movement on remaining issues of concern which need to be clarified for the agency to verify the exclusively peaceful nature of Iran's nuclear program," ElBaradei told the opening session of the IAEA's 35-nation board of governors. "We have effectively reached a dead end, unless Iran engages fully with us."

"Issues of concern" is the IAEA term for indications that Tehran has experimented with nuclear weapons programs, including missile-delivery systems and tests of explosives that could serve as nuclear-bomb detonators.

ElBaradei has emphasized the need for talks instead of threats in engaging Iran. He has criticized the U.S. for invading Iraq on the pretext that Saddam Hussein had a nuclear weapons program, which has never been proven. That—and perceived softness on the Iran issue—has drawn criticism from the U.S. and its allies that he was overstepping his mandate.

But ElBaradei's comments Thursday left little doubt that he was most unhappy with Tehran.

"I am disappointed that Iran has not so far agreed to the original proposal" involving removal of most of Iran's enriched stockpile, ElBaradei told the meeting.

The plan approved by the six world powers negotiating with Iran over the past few months would commit Tehran to ship out 70 percent of its enriched uranium for processing into fuel rods for its research reactor in Tehran. That would help allay international fears by removing most of the material that Iran could use to make a nuclear weapon.

It would take more than a year for Tehran to replace the enriched material, meaning it would not be able to make a weapon for at least that long.
Diplomacy FTL...now what?
rdx-fx
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+955|6878
Shell games with IAEA & UN inspectors regarding nuclear inspections.

Inspectors give up after being locked out of facilities.

Revelations that the target country has nuclear facilities the inspectors never knew about.

Halting negotiations, that seem to serve no purpose other than to buy time for the host country - while doing nothing but making the UN look like keystone cops.

Where.. oh where.. have we seen this game before?
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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If you make an enemy of someone you shouldn't be surprised if they seek to arm themselves.
Fuck Israel
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6509|Escea

Dilbert_X wrote:

If you make an enemy of someone you shouldn't be surprised if they seek to arm themselves.
Iran isn't in a potentially dangerous or desperate situation where it needs a nuke. Ironically its more likely to be in one by trying to build a nuke.
Burwhale
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Hamor wrote:

Diplomacy FTL...now what?
Well you cant afford another war, so I guess its more diplomacy and sanctions. No other alternative really.
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Burwhale wrote:

Hamor wrote:

Diplomacy FTL...now what?
Well you cant afford another war, so I guess its more diplomacy and sanctions. No other alternative really.
Technically, we could afford another war if necessary.

The wars themselves only take a couple weeks to a couple months, if we just use our military for military objectives.
True military objectives, like destroy the enemy's armed forces and incapacitate militarily useful locations, like airfields and make the foreign leaders look like complete jackasses for getting into a shooting war with the US

The whole American habit of sticking around to help rebuild the place we just ran over .. that's the expensive part.
(Germany, Japan, Iraq, etc)

Personally, I hope the USA just washes their hands of the whole regional power-grab.
This whole mess with Iran is NOT our fight.
This fight is between Saudi Arabia and Iran, to determine who the regional power-broker is.

Unfortunately, if we pull out of the region completely, a few things will likely happen;
Afghanistan will either revert to the Taliban, or become (effectively) an Al Quaeda nation-state.
Iran will develop nuclear weapons sooner than later, and start working to destabilize the already fragile Saudi Arabia.

Fuck it.
UN and EU, it's your turn to keep the children in line.
It's a race to see if they grow up or blow up.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6908|London, England

rdx-fx wrote:

Burwhale wrote:

Hamor wrote:

Diplomacy FTL...now what?
Well you cant afford another war, so I guess its more diplomacy and sanctions. No other alternative really.
Technically, we could afford another war if necessary.

The wars themselves only take a couple weeks to a couple months, if we just use our military for military objectives.
True military objectives, like destroy the enemy's armed forces and incapacitate militarily useful locations, like airfields and make the foreign leaders look like complete jackasses for getting into a shooting war with the US
Iran wouldn't just let you bomb them and then fuck off. Iraq would turn to complete shit, Afghanistan would probably get worse. Palestine/Israel/Hezbollah and all that shit would get worse. Overall, things would just kick off badly. Throw in a few random terrorist attacks on countries that followed the US into a war with Iran, probably.
rdx-fx
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Mekstizzle wrote:

Iran wouldn't just let you bomb them and then fuck off. Iraq would turn to complete shit, Afghanistan would probably get worse. Palestine/Israel/Hezbollah and all that shit would get worse. Overall, things would just kick off badly. Throw in a few random terrorist attacks on countries that followed the US into a war with Iran, probably.
No, of course not.  The Iranian government would go absolutely apeshit if a few bombs landed in Tehran.

If the US had to go into Iran, it'd have to go in to completely level any semblance of military or political infrastructure they had.
THAT would be easier than what got ourselves into in Iraq.

Doubt that's the way things are going to go, though.

My guess:
UN is going to go all Chamberlain, wring their hands, dither about for a couple more years... then act surprised when Tehran announces they have a nuclear missile capable of hitting Israel.
Then it's going to turn ugly.

Spoiler (highlight to read):

Iran and Iraq fought each other to a standstill over 8 years (1980-1988).
Not because they were having fun, but because they were trying to establish who would be the regional power.
That is part of the reason we didn't go all the way to Baghdad in 1991 - we wanted Iraq weakened, but still strong enough to counter Iran.
After 1991, Saddam's army was so weakened by Gulf War I, that he felt he had to strongly hint at having a WMD capability to make up for his lack of a standing army (relative to his neighbors).
Unfortunately, too many in the Bush administration believed Saddam's WMD shell game (or chose to believe, some would say).
With Iraq no longer a viable regional power, that leaves a power vacuum Iran is more than willing to fill...
..just as soon as they can get the US to leave Iraq and Afghanistan.
..and, as long as Saudi Arabia doesn't stand up

Last edited by rdx-fx (2009-11-27 19:58:27)

Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6961|Canberra, AUS
Well it's fairly commonly known that Iran has been the major benefactor of the Iraq war.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6908|London, England
Who gives a shit if Iran are a regional power anyway
Harmor
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Mekstizzle wrote:

Who gives a shit if Iran are a regional power anyway
How much do you pay for gas?  Now triple it.
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5645|London, England

Harmor wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

Who gives a shit if Iran are a regional power anyway
How much do you pay for gas?  Now triple it.
Most of Europe's oil comes from Russia now. Most of our oil comes from Canada, Mexico and Venezuela. China and India and Japan would be the ones most effected by Iran controlling the Middle Eastern oil supply which is why China has been helping them out...
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Harmor
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JohnG@lt wrote:

Harmor wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

Who gives a shit if Iran are a regional power anyway
How much do you pay for gas?  Now triple it.
Most of Europe's oil comes from Russia now. Most of our oil comes from Canada, Mexico and Venezuela. China and India and Japan would be the ones most effected by Iran controlling the Middle Eastern oil supply which is why China has been helping them out...
Oil is a Global Economy.  When there are any disruptions in the oil supply the price ripples globally.  If you think any oil exporting country will keep their price low when the global market is willing to pay double or triple...
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5645|London, England

Harmor wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Harmor wrote:


How much do you pay for gas?  Now triple it.
Most of Europe's oil comes from Russia now. Most of our oil comes from Canada, Mexico and Venezuela. China and India and Japan would be the ones most effected by Iran controlling the Middle Eastern oil supply which is why China has been helping them out...
Oil is a Global Economy.  When there are any disruptions in the oil supply the price ripples globally.  If you think any oil exporting country will keep their price low when the global market is willing to pay double or triple...
No, I'm aware of that. We've seen how they're willing to capitalize on fear in order to drive up the price.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6908|London, England
I'm willing to accept higher fucking oil prices if that means not sending people to their fucking deaths over stupid shit and just generally fucking shit up for it. Fuck sake.

Not that it's necessarily the case, I'm just going by your simplification of the whole situation for the sake of it.

"If we don't go to war with Iran or control that area, oh noes, gas prices might go up, we need to send everyone there to fight for our gas prices, fuck yeah america"

Cunts



Also the only thing that's stopping alternatives from coming into play is the fact that oil is still usually the cheapest option, so jack that shit up, jack it right up and make it the most expensive, dumbest option ever

Last edited by Mekstizzle (2009-11-28 14:10:16)

Kmar
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Mr. Nobel Peace Prize, aka Carter, assured us of a different approach Mek. He laid the way to use military force to protect Middle eastern oil and it's prices.

Actually, to be fair it was Roosevelt first that declared the ME and it's resources a vital National interest.
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Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6908|London, England
Who gives a shit about some random presidents in history... fact is nobody is going to change anything, and that most Western nations would rather go to war and do all this nonsense with countries like Iran and Iraq and shit than look at alternatives to oil, as long as it's there shit is going to happen, only when it runs out will anything really change

Last edited by Mekstizzle (2009-11-28 14:36:04)

Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5645|London, England

Mekstizzle wrote:

Who gives a shit about some random presidents in history... fact is nobody is going to change anything, and that most Western nations would rather go to war and do all this nonsense with countries like Iran and Iraq and shit than look at alternatives to oil, as long as it's there shit is going to happen, only when it runs out will anything really change
Yes, oil has been the source of all warfare in human history
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6908|London, England
I was only referring to conflicts in recent history in that area, fucking hell, wise up abit
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5645|London, England

Mekstizzle wrote:

I was only referring to conflicts in recent history in that area, fucking hell, wise up abit
If it's not oil, it's something else. Tripling of oil prices wouldn't lead to an overnight switchover to alternative energy sources. It would take at minimum 10-20 years to implement it and in the meantime you've just watched all the economies in the world come to a screeching halt. You think this recession was bad with 11% unemployment? We'd be looking at 40-50% unemployment rates and the consequences of that? Well, one can only speculate but it wouldn't be pretty.

So to say something as silly as 'jack up the prices now', well it makes you look very naive. You obviously don't understand how much our current way of life depends on a supply of cheap oil.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6887|132 and Bush

Mekstizzle wrote:

Who gives a shit about some random presidents in history... fact is nobody is going to change anything, and that most Western nations would rather go to war and do all this nonsense with countries like Iran and Iraq and shit than look at alternatives to oil, as long as it's there shit is going to happen, only when it runs out will anything really change
Because it set a precedent. Use some grey matter.
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