Yeah, the Ft Hood shooter was just a guy who went insane

2009-11-09 17:06:19

#101

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,817|6393|eXtreme to the maX

What is going through the head of the average trooper matters far less than the nefarious schemes of politicians unfortunately.
Plus troopers aren't exactly encouraged to think for themselves and act on those thoughts.

A military with a bit more freedom would be a benefit, the politicos would have to think a bit harder about sending in the troops.
Or a smaller military and a draft would focus minds rather more.

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Fuck Israel

2009-11-09 17:07:29

#102

Red Forman: Banned; +402|5687

Dilbert_X wrote:
What is going through the head of the average trooper matters far less than the nefarious schemes of politicians unfortunately.
Plus troopers aren't exactly encouraged to think for themselves and act on those thoughts.

A) it aint for god or religion like the suicide bombers

B) wrong

2009-11-09 17:11:11

#103

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,817|6393|eXtreme to the maX

A) it aint for god or religion like the suicide bombers

They are brainwashed into believing its for god and religion, coalition troops for 'freedom' and democracy.
Is there much difference?

B) wrong

OIC so you had a choice in if/when/where you shipped out?

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2009-11-09 17:12:51

#104

Red Forman: Banned; +402|5687

Dilbert_X wrote:
A) it aint for god or religion like the suicide bombers
They are brainwashed into believing its for god and religion, coalition troops for 'freedom' and democracy.
Is there much difference?

yes because we dont think we are getting 72 virgins afterwards for it.....

you are talking about country. that aint the same. being a brit you should know that.

2009-11-09 17:14:11

#105

Red Forman: Banned; +402|5687

Dilbert_X wrote:
OIC so you had a choice in if/when/where you shipped out?

yes...hence a volunteer armed forces. i had a choice. to be or not to be....

2009-11-09 17:17:08

#106

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,817|6393|eXtreme to the maX

OK, but once in you had little choice, hence its easy for the politicos to wield the military as they feel like.
If they'd had to draft 150,000 troops to invade Iraq I doubt it would have hapened.

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2009-11-09 17:19:11

#107

Red Forman: Banned; +402|5687

Dilbert_X wrote:
OK, but once in you had little choice, hence its easy for the politicos to wield the military as they feel like.

yes and no. i could have been a vet or something. a lawyer for example maybe. you have plenty of choices.

what does a suicide bomber get to choose? what color vest?

2009-11-09 17:55:16

#108

LividBovine: The Year of the Cow!; +175|6666|MN

This is getting a bit sidetracked. Anyways, I don't believe that he was a complete nutter. They have shown evidence that he has been against our military intervening in the ME for quite a while. He was also reported as saying he was a "Muslim first and an American Second". He was definitely on the radical side, and maybe even a bit off his rocker. He managed to make it through our military system well enough. That just goes to show that either our system has some serious flaws and/or he wasn't so crazy, just extreme in following his religion. Hard to believe a crazy person received his Masters in Psychiatry.

Scource for some of my drivel
Oh Noes, Fox

"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation" - Barack Obama (a freshman senator from Illinios)

2009-11-09 18:01:10

#109

=NHB=Shadow: hi; +322|6652|California

He is my hero, he has the balls to do what most americans don't even have the balls too.
I salute you my muslim friend.

/just kidding
what a fucking douche!!!

2009-11-09 18:02:46

#110

Poseidon: Fudgepack DeQueef; +3,253|6824|Long Island, New York

I can't for the life of me understand how the Army could KNOW he had contacts with AQ (or was atleast trying to) and still not do nothing.

I truly believe this was preventable.

2009-11-09 18:08:39

#111

LividBovine: The Year of the Cow!; +175|6666|MN

Poseidon wrote:
I can't for the life of me understand how the Army could KNOW he had contacts with AQ (or was atleast trying to) and still not do nothing.

I truly believe this was preventable.

Yeap.

Now for my Lowing moment:

They knew, but were to scared to call him out as a possible terrorist due to his Muslim faith. They were also scared about the bad press of calling out a Major in the military as being a terror suspect. Basically we are seeing the impact of an appeasement policy when it comes to Islam.

AmIdoinitrte?

"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation" - Barack Obama (a freshman senator from Illinios)

2009-11-09 18:21:19

#112

Poseidon: Fudgepack DeQueef; +3,253|6824|Long Island, New York

LividBovine wrote:
Poseidon wrote:
I can't for the life of me understand how the Army could KNOW he had contacts with AQ (or was atleast trying to) and still not do nothing.

I truly believe this was preventable.
Yeap.

Now for my Lowing moment:

They knew, but were to scared to call him out as a possible terrorist due to his Muslim faith. They were also scared about the bad press of calling out a Major in the military as being a terror suspect. Basically we are seeing the impact of an appeasement policy when it comes to Islam.

AmIdoinitrte?

Sounds about right to me.

And I'm someone who doesn't believe Islam is a violent faith, just a scapegoat for the violent. I'd definitely say it's appeasement. I don't get why they'd be worried about calling out ANYONE in the military who had AQ links. I don't care if it's David fucking Patraeus, if they're trying to contact AQ why wouldn't you do something about it? Only explanation I can think of is that they didn't want the press making it seem like AQ had infiltrated that deep into the military. Little fucking late now, eh?

2009-11-09 21:55:51

#113

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,817|6393|eXtreme to the maX

LividBovine wrote:
They knew, but were to scared to call him out as a possible terrorist due to his Muslim faith. They were also scared about the bad press of calling out a Major in the military as being a terror suspect. Basically we are seeing the impact of an appeasement policy when it comes to Islam.

AmIdoinitrte?

What I don't understand is why he wasn't simply allowed to leave the army, as he'd tried desperately to do apparently.
It would have been so easy, its not as if they would have had to kick him out.

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2009-11-09 21:58:38

#114

LividBovine: The Year of the Cow!; +175|6666|MN

He tried but they are saying he was given some bad advice. I know it is possible but not easy. Would've been better for everyone had they listened to him.

"The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation" - Barack Obama (a freshman senator from Illinios)

2009-11-09 22:05:45

#115

Catbox: forgiveness; +505|7003

It is our political correctness... We are so concerned with not offending any muslims in the US....
that sick radical guys like this slip through the cracks and cause harm to others...
And the people who will suffer the most are the normal everyday muslims that live in the US that just want to live their lives...Guilt by association.... We need to be clear and blunt and get these radical types in jail or deported.

Love is the answer

2009-11-10 01:03:24

#116

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6888|132 and Bush

So this guy was in direct contact with an Al qaeda recruiter?

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2009-11-10 01:06:31

#117

Varegg: Support fanatic :-); +2,206|7097|Nårvei

The US government infiltrate "cookie protester groups" but doesn't monitor a Major in the armed forces with clear indications of being connected to AQ?

That's not appeasement, it's stupidity ...

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2009-11-10 01:10:09

#118

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6888|132 and Bush

They had caught a few just weeks before Texas and somewhere else (escaping me now).

We need to focus more at home I think. If I remember correctly all of the 9/11 hijackers were here legally.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2009-11-10 01:12:36

#119

Varegg: Support fanatic :-); +2,206|7097|Nårvei

Kmarion wrote:
They had caught a few just weeks before Texas and somewhere else (escaping me now).

We need to focus more at home I think. If I remember correctly all of the 9/11 hijackers were here legally.

They also mostly came from Saudi Arabia and that is still yet to be a focus of concern ...

Wait behind the line ..............................................................

2009-11-10 01:15:11

#120

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6888|132 and Bush

I agree.. but you've got to look at much more than country of origin. Where they were recruited, trained, and who was giving them support etc..

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2009-11-10 01:23:54

#121

Varegg: Support fanatic :-); +2,206|7097|Nårvei

Kmarion wrote:
I agree.. but you've got to look at much more than country of origin. Where they were recruited, trained, and who was giving them support etc..

You mean the 5000 Saudi princes that has funding terror as their hobby? ... the very same that funds the Quran schools in Pakistan that trains young boys to be Islamic radicals and suicide bombers ... the country of origin when it comes to the funding couldn't be clearer but trade and economic interests keeps it out of the equation ...

Taliban, AQ and the other radical Islamistic groups wouldn't be such a threat if their base of economy was cut off ... should have invaded Saudi first tbh ...

Wait behind the line ..............................................................

2009-11-10 01:31:59

#122

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6888|132 and Bush

Afaik the Saudis have been for the most part cooperative in the war on terror. Remember this story?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18349238/
FEOS can probably expand on this.

The Royal fam cares more about selling out their own. Which makes you think. Since they eagerly exploit their own resources while inviting western power/business into their homeland, shouldn't they be al qeada target number one?

Back to the original point now. We need to focus more at home. We protect foreign borders over seas while our own borders are easily penetrated (giggity). The best defense is intelligence.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2009-11-10 02:18:04

#123

Varegg: Support fanatic :-); +2,206|7097|Nårvei

You don't attack the feeding hand Kmar ...

I agree with your statement about intelligence being the best defence however and they uncover much more than what we hear about

Wait behind the line ..............................................................

2009-11-10 02:21:49

#124

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6888|132 and Bush

If you're a religious zealot you do.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2009-11-10 03:58:35

#125

Dilbert_X: The X stands for; +1,817|6393|eXtreme to the maX

Of course, you're attacked by Saudi terrororists living in the US, why wouldn't you invade Iraq?

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