BF2S Forums House healthcare bill gets passed

JohnG@lt wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Make sure you vote for Peter King next year Oh wait, your vote doesn't count, mine will cancel yours out

Bishop's my guy. But Paterson can gtfo in 2010.

I want LI secession.

JohnG@lt wrote:

(T)eflon(S)hadow wrote:

yeah I know, it has to pass in the Senate too.

The government cant force me to buy anything it sells.

I believe in the Constitution and my right to freedom. This does not expand my freedom. It takes a little bit more away.

I'm absolutely for comprehensive health care reform. Just not in passing a 1,990 page law that forces the government into my life. I voluntarily signed up to serve my country and abide by the Military code of conduct and the lawful orders given to me. I served for 8 years. Honorably. My average proficiency and conduct rating were well above average at 4.6/4.8.

As a civilian I worked for the US Small Business Administration, assisting disaster victims through Katina/ Rita. We accomplished an amazing feat with paying out over 10 Billion dollars in disaster relief monies in less than 14 months. But, the efficiency and rate of production would fail in the private sector. I have little faith that the US Govt. can run this new health care, lawfully and efficiently, for over 308 million Americans.

I don't think it will stand up to a Supreme Court decision. They would need a constitutional amendment for this to be legal. Especially the part that requires that you purchase and keep insurance or you will be fined. Since when can government force you to buy a product provided by a private company?

JohnG@lt wrote:

some_random_panda wrote:

Since you could drive cars?  Or isn't car insurance mandatory where you live?

Only liability insurance is required. As in, if I get into an accident, the other guy is covered in case it was my fault. It protects other people from what could be my negative actions. If I own my car outright I am not required to carry collision or medical coverage etc.

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some_random_panda wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

some_random_panda wrote:

Since you could drive cars?  Or isn't car insurance mandatory where you live?

Only liability insurance is required. As in, if I get into an accident, the other guy is covered in case it was my fault. It protects other people from what could be my negative actions. If I own my car outright I am not required to carry collision or medical coverage etc.

That's still provided by a private company, which the government forces you to get, medical coverage or no medical coverage.

More to Harmor:  You drive a car, you pose the risk of injuring someone else.  Thus you need insurance.  If you're living, you pose the risk of getting sick, having to go to hospital and potentially using up funding that you can't pay for.  A car you can choose to drive.  You can't choose to live (although there is life insurance if you're willing to give your children money.)  It's not that unreasonable to expect people to have health insurance rather than become a burden on the health system.

some_random_panda wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

some_random_panda wrote:

That's still provided by a private company, which the government forces you to get, medical coverage or no medical coverage.

More to Harmor:  You drive a car, you pose the risk of injuring someone else.  Thus you need insurance.  If you're living, you pose the risk of getting sick, having to go to hospital and potentially using up funding that you can't pay for.  A car you can choose to drive.  You can't choose to live (although there is life insurance if you're willing to give your children money.)  It's not that unreasonable to expect people to have health insurance rather than become a burden on the health system.

What's forcing me to go to the hospital if I get sick? Do I not have the choice to use over the counter medicines to fix me or, at worst, the option to die in a gutter? By living, I'm not entitled to other peoples wealth or time, and a doctor shouldn't be forced to treat me if I've wasted my life so utterly that I can't afford to pay a reasonable fee. Some people just aren't worth the time or effort to treat. They provide nothing for anyone, including themselves. Why are the rest of us responsible for keeping them alive?

You're quite right.  You shouldn't have to pay for others' care.  It's their fault for being poor, after all.
/sarcasm


And if you got a cancer you couldn't afford treatment for, you'd prefer to die in the gutter too?

Marconius wrote:

As imperfect as the bill is, I'm more than happy it passed.  At least something is being done...with the ball rolling now we just might be able to see real reform come to healthcare in this country for once.

JohnG@lt wrote:

Marconius wrote:

As imperfect as the bill is, I'm more than happy it passed.  At least something is being done...with the ball rolling now we just might be able to see real reform come to healthcare in this country for once.

Move to Canada.

JohnG@lt wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Would I prefer it? No, of course not. If I fucked up my life enough that it came down to me dying in a gutter without the ability to get treatment I wouldn't have any reason to bitch.

The right to free health care shouldn't be afforded to those at the bottom, is that what you're saying?

I'm saying that those at the very bottom don't do anything for the rest of us, so why should they receive anything in return?

some_random_panda wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

The right to free health care shouldn't be afforded to those at the bottom, is that what you're saying?

I'm saying that those at the very bottom don't do anything for the rest of us, so why should they receive anything in return?

You're also saying that if you couldn't afford a string of operations for an accident that happened to you tomorrow (I'm not talking about a drug addict, this is specifically for you in your financial standing), and you were without health insurance, you would still be against universal healthcare?

Spark wrote:

Harmor wrote:

Don't worry, we'll be having inflation just before the 2010 election.  I mean the last time we spent this much money interest rates went to 22%.

If you honestly think you didn't/shouldn't have had to spend that much money then...