This is so surreal to me. It's so close, I can't comprehend it happening.
hang him like his buddy SaddamSEREMAKER wrote:
death by firing squadHurricane2k9 wrote:
if he doesn't get the chair or other method of execution, I will declare justice as deceased
Just remember, that under military law, you are guilty as charged. The burden of proof of innocents is on the defendant.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
either way he's fucked
probably under the UCMJ though, AKA military law. Depending on what the FBI finds I guess he could also be tried in federal court.
that's awesomeKarbin wrote:
Just remember, that under military law, you are guilty as charged. The burden of proof of innocents is on the defendant.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
either way he's fucked
probably under the UCMJ though, AKA military law. Depending on what the FBI finds I guess he could also be tried in federal court.
honestly, now....
makes me ashamed to be American people are using this as an opportunity to blame him. what the fuck people.
Because for a full two minutes he addressed everything but the shooting? It was disgusting.Spearhead wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fNN_ETf … re=related
honestly, now....
makes me ashamed to be American people are using this as an opportunity to blame him. what the fuck people.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
*insert video of Bush's reaction to Sept 11*JohnG@lt wrote:
Because for a full two minutes he addressed everything but the shooting? It was disgusting.Spearhead wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fNN_ETf … re=related
honestly, now....
makes me ashamed to be American people are using this as an opportunity to blame him. what the fuck people.
Which is exactly why they're making such a big deal out of it. Obama was supposed to "not Bush", remember?AussieReaper wrote:
*insert video of Bush's reaction to Sept 11*JohnG@lt wrote:
Because for a full two minutes he addressed everything but the shooting? It was disgusting.Spearhead wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fNN_ETf … re=related
honestly, now....
makes me ashamed to be American people are using this as an opportunity to blame him. what the fuck people.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Oh I thought you were making a big deal out of it. "It was disgusting" is what you thought of their reaction, not your reaction to Obama. My bad.JohnG@lt wrote:
Which is exactly why they're making such a big deal out of it. Obama was supposed to "not Bush", remember?AussieReaper wrote:
*insert video of Bush's reaction to Sept 11*JohnG@lt wrote:
Because for a full two minutes he addressed everything but the shooting? It was disgusting.
No, my reaction to Obama was that he spent 2 minutes calling out cronies and patting people on the back before he addressed the murder of 12 people on an Army installation. He's supposed to be the Commander in Chief and the welfare of soldiers is his responsibility. He dropped the ball big time.AussieReaper wrote:
Oh I thought you were making a big deal out of it. "It was disgusting" is what you thought of their reaction, not your reaction to Obama. My bad.JohnG@lt wrote:
Which is exactly why they're making such a big deal out of it. Obama was supposed to "not Bush", remember?AussieReaper wrote:
*insert video of Bush's reaction to Sept 11*
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Oh you were making a big deal out of it?JohnG@lt wrote:
No, my reaction to Obama was that he spent 2 minutes calling out cronies and patting people on the back before he addressed the murder of 12 people on an Army installation. He's supposed to be the Commander in Chief and the welfare of soldiers is his responsibility. He dropped the ball big time.AussieReaper wrote:
Oh I thought you were making a big deal out of it. "It was disgusting" is what you thought of their reaction, not your reaction to Obama. My bad.JohnG@lt wrote:
Which is exactly why they're making such a big deal out of it. Obama was supposed to "not Bush", remember?
Okay then.
*insert video of Bush's reaction to Sept. 11*
Bush gave a pretty good one
Sure did.
Shame we had no cameras in the Oval Office when Obama got the phone call that Fort Hood was shot up. Obama's statement was done around 3 or 4 hours after the attack; plenty of time to prepare a good speech. Given the magnitude of 9/11 compared to the Fort Hood attack, it's understandable that it'd take longer for the proper speech to be made for Bush.
Yeah no bias there. lol
I can't believe this to be true. Link?Hurricane2k9 wrote:
that's awesomeKarbin wrote:
Just remember, that under military law, you are guilty as charged. The burden of proof of innocents is on the defendant.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
either way he's fucked
probably under the UCMJ though, AKA military law. Depending on what the FBI finds I guess he could also be tried in federal court.
The US economy is a giant Ponzi scheme. And 'to big to fail' is code speak for 'niahnahniahniahnah 99 percenters'
watAussieReaper wrote:
Yeah no bias there. lol
I'm just giving some perspective. How did YOU react when you were told that two planes just flew into the Twin Towers? I know most people were speechless. Believe it or not, Bush is human just like everyone else.
Great article on the shooter...
Fort Hood: Let's Drop the Political Correctness
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl … 99072.html
"Falsehood has more consequences than the revelation of personal insincerity. What happened at Fort Hood was no kind of "tragedy." It was a criminal act, of the terrorist sort, performed by a man acting upon known Islamist motives. To present the perpetrator himself as a kind of "victim" -- a man emotionally distressed by his impending assignment to Afghanistan or Iraq -- is to misrepresent the reality.
This man was a professional psychiatrist, assigned to help soldiers cope with traumas. Is this the profile of a man with no control over his own emotions? It appears he had hired a lawyer to get him out of the military before his deployment overseas. Is this consistent with spontaneity?
He reportedly shouted "Allahu Akbar!" before opening fire on American soldiers. Would that perhaps offer a little hint of the actual motive? He shot about 40 people, over 10 minutes, with two pistols, neither of them military issue. Might that perhaps suggest premeditation?
There were reports from within the base (Fox News as usual seized on what other networks didn't), that accused Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan had not merely been making anti-war remarks about Iraq and Afghanistan, but adding things like, "Muslims should stand up against the aggressor." Do we still have a category for treason? He has been quoted from Internet postings comparing Islamist suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade. Another clue?
And all this is quite apart from less checkable information that was quickly available through the Internet, painting a much grimmer figure of a man with openly Islamist views, able to rise through the U.S. military, because of the syndrome of political correctness. Time is certainly required to sort through such reports, and separate wheat from chaff, but the initial information alone was inconsistent with the media's clichéd presentation of the "tragedy of a man in despair."
This deadly enemy of the West -- the Islamist ideology which holds all Jews, Christians, other non-Muslims, and a considerable number of Muslims, too, to be human filth in need of extermination -- is well infiltrated. Events like that at Fort Hood prove this, and from what I can see, the problem can only grow with the passage of time."
Fort Hood: Let's Drop the Political Correctness
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl … 99072.html
"Falsehood has more consequences than the revelation of personal insincerity. What happened at Fort Hood was no kind of "tragedy." It was a criminal act, of the terrorist sort, performed by a man acting upon known Islamist motives. To present the perpetrator himself as a kind of "victim" -- a man emotionally distressed by his impending assignment to Afghanistan or Iraq -- is to misrepresent the reality.
This man was a professional psychiatrist, assigned to help soldiers cope with traumas. Is this the profile of a man with no control over his own emotions? It appears he had hired a lawyer to get him out of the military before his deployment overseas. Is this consistent with spontaneity?
He reportedly shouted "Allahu Akbar!" before opening fire on American soldiers. Would that perhaps offer a little hint of the actual motive? He shot about 40 people, over 10 minutes, with two pistols, neither of them military issue. Might that perhaps suggest premeditation?
There were reports from within the base (Fox News as usual seized on what other networks didn't), that accused Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan had not merely been making anti-war remarks about Iraq and Afghanistan, but adding things like, "Muslims should stand up against the aggressor." Do we still have a category for treason? He has been quoted from Internet postings comparing Islamist suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade. Another clue?
And all this is quite apart from less checkable information that was quickly available through the Internet, painting a much grimmer figure of a man with openly Islamist views, able to rise through the U.S. military, because of the syndrome of political correctness. Time is certainly required to sort through such reports, and separate wheat from chaff, but the initial information alone was inconsistent with the media's clichéd presentation of the "tragedy of a man in despair."
This deadly enemy of the West -- the Islamist ideology which holds all Jews, Christians, other non-Muslims, and a considerable number of Muslims, too, to be human filth in need of extermination -- is well infiltrated. Events like that at Fort Hood prove this, and from what I can see, the problem can only grow with the passage of time."
Love is the answer
Sounds like a sensible and well balanced article - I'd take it seriously.This deadly enemy of the West -- the Islamist ideology which holds all Jews, Christians, other non-Muslims, and a considerable number of Muslims, too, to be human filth in need of extermination
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
It was reported on the news here. An hour and a half south of Ft Hood. Call it hearsay if you want.Spark wrote:
I don't know about the last two bits, but several news sources I've seen have stated that he was being investigated for posts promoting suicide bombing.Dilbert_X wrote:
What was it you said about hearsay?FEOS wrote:
The guy posted repeatedly to radical Islamic websites, walked in in traditional Islamic garb, shouted "Allahu Akhbar" and started shooting
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
I'm not talking about why we are there. I'm talking about the actions of the soldier, airmen, marines, and sailors who are there. I'm talking about the ROE that force them to put their lives at an increased risk now than before in order to prevent hurting/killing civilians while the enemy has no such restrictions and in fact, takes advantage of those restrictions. I'm talking about October 09 being the most deadly month of an 8-year old conflict because of those restrictions. So I'm not talking about macro-level sacrifices...I'm talking about micro-level sacrifices.CameronPoe wrote:
lol. Interesting that you left in the whole 'whether they asked them to or not'. Are you in total denial about middle eastern sentiment towards America? Team America:World Police was a satire, not a manifesto... What happens domestically in America is fine, it's the tentacles extending across the world that people have issue with. Your belief in your government's military altruism is amazing. This ain't WWII. The US had to hit Afghanistan for their role in 9/11 and now they can't leave Afghanistan because whichever president does earns the 'you lost Afghanistan' badge. Iraq had about as much to do with US security as the weather in Belarus - it was primarily to do with strategic interests. Surely you can't be as gullible as all that. I may be ridiculously sceptical but you swing the other way to a fairly ridiculous extent if you think soldiers were sacrificed by your government purely 'for people in the middle east'.FEOS wrote:
Yeah. Couldn't deal with the reality of giving people the right to vote, get an education, choose their own way, etc. Couldn't deal with the reality of Americans putting their lives on the line and dying for people in the middle east (whether they asked them to or not). That reality must've really thrown him for a loop.
Sure the sentiment and intention of the average US soldier is pure and well meaning, but don't try and use that as some kind of qualifier of unwanted and unwarranted intrusions and interferences across the world, well beyond the borders of the nation.
Given that the fucker was not killed in the incident we will no doubt get to hear some testimony from him, if he hasn't found means to commit suicide before that.
I knew you wouldn't get what I was talking about and would automatically jump to the ridiculous without putting any thought into it.
This guy was medical corps. He knew full well he was likely neither going to be shot at nor shoot at anyone, regardless of whether he went to Iraq or Afghanistan. There simply is no excuse, on any grounds, for his actions.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Prove the because bit.FEOS wrote:
I'm talking about October 09 being the most deadly month of an 8-year old conflict because of those restrictions.
Just think, if 150,000 troops hand't been held back and now tied up in Iraq how much easier it would have been, probably all over several years ago in fact.
Right TBH, there were no excuses, but its still worth trying to understand other peoples misguided motivations.This guy was medical corps. He knew full well he was likely neither going to be shot at nor shoot at anyone, regardless of whether he went to Iraq or Afghanistan. There simply is no excuse, on any grounds, for his actions.
Last edited by Dilbert_X (2009-11-09 06:14:20)
Русский военный корабль, иди на хуй!
The ROE is there for a reason. People think the war would be won if the ROE was torn up and thrown away and you could just go in and kill everyone Soviet style. It's not even a proper war anyway. The reality is that it's an insurgency/guerilla conflict. The Soviets barely had an ROE and they still lost badly.FEOS wrote:
I'm not talking about why we are there. I'm talking about the actions of the soldier, airmen, marines, and sailors who are there. I'm talking about the ROE that force them to put their lives at an increased risk now than before in order to prevent hurting/killing civilians while the enemy has no such restrictions and in fact, takes advantage of those restrictions. I'm talking about October 09 being the most deadly month of an 8-year old conflict because of those restrictions. So I'm not talking about macro-level sacrifices...I'm talking about micro-level sacrifices.CameronPoe wrote:
lol. Interesting that you left in the whole 'whether they asked them to or not'. Are you in total denial about middle eastern sentiment towards America? Team America:World Police was a satire, not a manifesto... What happens domestically in America is fine, it's the tentacles extending across the world that people have issue with. Your belief in your government's military altruism is amazing. This ain't WWII. The US had to hit Afghanistan for their role in 9/11 and now they can't leave Afghanistan because whichever president does earns the 'you lost Afghanistan' badge. Iraq had about as much to do with US security as the weather in Belarus - it was primarily to do with strategic interests. Surely you can't be as gullible as all that. I may be ridiculously sceptical but you swing the other way to a fairly ridiculous extent if you think soldiers were sacrificed by your government purely 'for people in the middle east'.FEOS wrote:
Yeah. Couldn't deal with the reality of giving people the right to vote, get an education, choose their own way, etc. Couldn't deal with the reality of Americans putting their lives on the line and dying for people in the middle east (whether they asked them to or not). That reality must've really thrown him for a loop.
Sure the sentiment and intention of the average US soldier is pure and well meaning, but don't try and use that as some kind of qualifier of unwanted and unwarranted intrusions and interferences across the world, well beyond the borders of the nation.
Given that the fucker was not killed in the incident we will no doubt get to hear some testimony from him, if he hasn't found means to commit suicide before that.
I knew you wouldn't get what I was talking about and would automatically jump to the ridiculous without putting any thought into it.
This guy was medical corps. He knew full well he was likely neither going to be shot at nor shoot at anyone, regardless of whether he went to Iraq or Afghanistan. There simply is no excuse, on any grounds, for his actions.
dont think he snapped mr Cam and followers. just listened to an interview with someone who was in an army officer class with him. he said shit like sharia law comes before the constitution and he is a muslim first and an american second.
but please, continue to bury your heads.
but please, continue to bury your heads.
http://usmilitary.about.com/library/mil … rt-118.htmStubbee wrote:
I can't believe this to be true. Link?Hurricane2k9 wrote:
that's awesomeKarbin wrote:
Just remember, that under military law, you are guilty as charged. The burden of proof of innocents is on the defendant.
Look at the statement after the described definitions.
Also, ask anyone that has been in the service, be it under UCMJ or QO&R's.
It MAY be written "In order to support a finding of "guilty," the government must prove each and every element of the offense, beyond a reasonable doubt. ", the realty is that as the charged, you are Guilty when you walk into the court.