not everyone is a self-righteous as you Cam.
what he should've done was blown his brains out in a ditch somewhere to be forgotten like dust in the wind
It was indeed in the name of his religion. He was quoted as saying "Alahu Akhbar" just before he opened fire.CameronPoe wrote:
I don't think it was particularly 'in the name of his religion', although he probably drew certain inspiration from elements of it. The fact of the matter is that his parents are Palestinian and the reason he turned out to be an American is probably because of Israel, which just so happens to gets a double standard sideways glance from the US in any and all of its actions and is practically paid for by the US taxpayer. If I was him I'd be pissed at my country. He should've moved to Palestine and had the balls to fight properly rather than resort to cold blooded murder.JohnG@lt wrote:
Because he was obviously not thinking rationally. A rational person would've just resigned their commission or gone AWOL. Instead, he went the route of the suicide bomber in the name of his religion. It really doesn't make any sense but mass murders rarely do.CameronPoe wrote:
And don't see why he didn't just quit the army. It would have been far simpler.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
How would he rationalise it? His religion doesn't prompt him to randomly plug 13 people. He had to rationalise what he was doing in the context of the Quran. Why did he do it? My bet - treatment of Muslims by the US, in particular the stance vis a vis Israel and the invasions of Afghanistan/Iraq. In that sense he could rationalise his actions as part of a 'war'.JohnG@lt wrote:
It was indeed in the name of his religion. He was quoted as saying "Alahu Akhbar" just before he opened fire.
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for the same reason that his buddies flew planes into towers, buildings and fields to kill 3,000 civilians
edit: Why the hell did he join then? It's not like the US v. Radical Muslims thing is new. It's been pretty much going on since 1979.
edit: Why the hell did he join then? It's not like the US v. Radical Muslims thing is new. It's been pretty much going on since 1979.
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Well Islam actually takes a dim view of killing civilians ftr...Hurricane2k9 wrote:
for the same reason that his buddies flew planes into towers, buildings and fields to kill 3,000 civilians
edit: Why the hell did he join then? It's not like the US v. Radical Muslims thing is new. It's been pretty much going on since 1979.
Him joining the military does smell of pre-planned murder. Although it wasn't until 9/11 that reports suggest his rhetoric became suspicious.
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lol. what was their excuse before that then? this isnt a new thing you know......CameronPoe wrote:
How would he rationalise it? His religion doesn't prompt him to randomly plug 13 people. He had to rationalise what he was doing in the context of the Quran. Why did he do it? My bet - treatment of Muslims by the US, in particular the stance vis a vis Israel and the invasions of Afghanistan/Iraq.JohnG@lt wrote:
It was indeed in the name of his religion. He was quoted as saying "Alahu Akhbar" just before he opened fire.
seems like an awfully broad brush. too simplistic. seems to me like you are trying to justify what he did.
if you can draw conclusions so can i.CameronPoe wrote:
Fuck you. Justify murder? Fuck off. There's a fucking ocean of a difference between justification and rationalisation.Red Forman wrote:
lol. what was their excuse before that then? this isnt a new thing you know......
seems like an awfully broad brush. too simplistic. seems to me like you are trying to justify what he did.
Islam's also supposed to be a peaceful religion, but that doesn't stop crazies from killing in the name of itCameronPoe wrote:
Well Islam actually takes a dim view of killing civilians ftr...Hurricane2k9 wrote:
for the same reason that his buddies flew planes into towers, buildings and fields to kill 3,000 civilians
edit: Why the hell did he join then? It's not like the US v. Radical Muslims thing is new. It's been pretty much going on since 1979.
Him joining the military does smell of pre-planned murder. Although it wasn't until 9/11 that reports suggest his rhetoric became suspicious.
Yeah of course you can. But you'd be dead wrong.Red Forman wrote:
if you can draw conclusions so can i.CameronPoe wrote:
Fuck you. Justify murder? Fuck off. There's a fucking ocean of a difference between justification and rationalisation.Red Forman wrote:
lol. what was their excuse before that then? this isnt a new thing you know......
seems like an awfully broad brush. too simplistic. seems to me like you are trying to justify what he did.
Of course, people are getting killed in the name of it every day.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Islam's also supposed to be a peaceful religion, but that doesn't stop crazies from killing in the name of it
fair enough. but i know your hatred for israel and the fact you mention it......CameronPoe wrote:
Yeah of course you can. But you'd be dead wrong.Red Forman wrote:
if you can draw conclusions so can i.CameronPoe wrote:
Fuck you. Justify murder? Fuck off. There's a fucking ocean of a difference between justification and rationalisation.
meh. guess we will never know why anyway.
I only mentioned it because he is ethnic Palestinian and he had been going round declaring himself as Palestinian even though he was American. We might get to know if he stands trial before attempting to commit suicide.Red Forman wrote:
fair enough. but i know your hatred for israel and the fact you mention it......CameronPoe wrote:
Yeah of course you can. But you'd be dead wrong.Red Forman wrote:
if you can draw conclusions so can i.
meh. guess we will never know why anyway.
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In other words, Islamic terrorists have infiltrated the US military. He didn't randomly pug 13 peaople, he plugged 13 US soldiers., and ya, his religion does prompt such action.CameronPoe wrote:
How would he rationalise it? His religion doesn't prompt him to randomly plug 13 people. He had to rationalise what he was doing in the context of the Quran. Why did he do it? My bet - treatment of Muslims by the US, in particular the stance vis a vis Israel and the invasions of Afghanistan/Iraq. In that sense he could rationalise his actions as part of a 'war'.JohnG@lt wrote:
It was indeed in the name of his religion. He was quoted as saying "Alahu Akhbar" just before he opened fire.
Only if he views that military as being a threat to Islam, which the US government solemnly swears it isn't. I guess that is how he rationalised it.lowing wrote:
In other words, Islamic terrorists have infiltrated the US military. He didn't randomly pug 13 peaople, he plugged 13 US soldiers., and ya, his religion does prompt such action.
EDIT: Correction - or if the US military has attacked an Islamic nation, which of course it has.
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just for the record its quite obvious yinz are arguing by proxy.
What is yinz?Red Forman wrote:
just for the record its quite obvious yinz are arguing by proxy.
*you allCameronPoe wrote:
What is yinz?Red Forman wrote:
just for the record its quite obvious yinz are arguing by proxy.
*you guys
etc
I would venture to say most Islamic terrorists view the US military as a threat to Islam, wouldn't ya think? Islamic terrorists infilitrated the US military. Just how fuckin' many of those "FEW" are there out there anyway?CameronPoe wrote:
Only if he views that military as being a threat to Islam, which the US government solemnly swears it isn't. I guess that is how he rationalised it.lowing wrote:
In other words, Islamic terrorists have infiltrated the US military. He didn't randomly pug 13 peaople, he plugged 13 US soldiers., and ya, his religion does prompt such action.
If we were arguing by proxy I'd be responding to his questions through someone else. ??Red Forman wrote:
*you allCameronPoe wrote:
What is yinz?Red Forman wrote:
just for the record its quite obvious yinz are arguing by proxy.
*you guys
etc
I don't know lowing, hopefully not too many. And hopefully not so many as cowardly as Hasan. Hopefully he's the first and last.lowing wrote:
I would venture to say most Islamic terrorists view the US military as a threat to Islam, wouldn't ya think? Islamic terrorists infilitrated the US military. Just how fuckin' many of those "FEW" are there out there anyway?
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I wouldn't conclude that one shooting means that Islamic terrorists have infiltrated the military, that's abit far fetched but a typical knee jerk rash conclusion. Although you can never rule that out. All sorts of extremists and criminals could infiltrate the organisation for whatever reasons. You always hear stories of gangs joining the military for training etc.. and no doubt you probably will get religious extremists joining for their own reasons.
The thing is reading the background of this guy and the she he had done, it seems that this could have been avoided. I think some higher ups need to be answering some questions about this.
The thing is reading the background of this guy and the she he had done, it seems that this could have been avoided. I think some higher ups need to be answering some questions about this.
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well whatever the word is.......CameronPoe wrote:
If we were arguing by proxy I'd be responding to his questions through someone else. ??Red Forman wrote:
*you allCameronPoe wrote:
What is yinz?
*you guys
etc
There is nothing "knee jerk" about it. It is well known that sleeper cells exist. Do not kid yourself into thinking they are going to show up on main street wearing robes sandles and toting RPG's.Mekstizzle wrote:
I wouldn't conclude that one shooting means that Islamic terrorists have infiltrated the military, that's abit far fetched but a typical knee jerk rash conclusion. Although you can never rule that out. All sorts of extremists and criminals could infiltrate the organisation for whatever reasons. You always hear stories of gangs joining the military for training etc.. and no doubt you probably will get religious extremists joining for their own reasons.
The thing is reading the background of this guy and the she he had done, it seems that this could have been avoided. I think some higher ups need to be answering some questions about this.
He is a Muslim that by all accounts, went against the US military and it actions in the ME. He decided to use his creditials to gain access and kill his enemy un-noticed until it was too late. He gave his possessiond away, he knew he was going to die that day. Tell me the dman difference?
And therein lies part of the problem, its fine to kill people abroad because their lives are of less value.John G@lt wrote:
Or understand that the people he can see, feel and touch in person should be more important to an individual than people in a far away land.
Fuck Israel