ATG
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Absorb that for a moment.


The bank I used to use, Cal- National Bank was consumed yesterday by U.S. Bank.

The lady there who managed the place used to be very personal and hands on. She would call me when it was getting close to overdraft time and ask me to make a deposit. I ended up leaving because of the mess ( tax and family ) left when my partner and step father passed away and I needed a new account. I moved all my checking to U.S. Banks where I had always had an account that I used to accept credit cards. I noticed the change right away; I was getting dinged for every thing, there was no personal relationship and the feeling was that I was being nickled and dimed.

http://www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/fai … ional.html

So, the point so far is; the government has assisted with tax codes the outsourcing of business with Mexico being just about the largest winner in this.
The government mandated that banks like Cal-National loan money to undocumented minorities. 
Colleges report a 23% percent drop in studies that might lead to the " high tech jobs of the future. "


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2188447/posts

While government leaders were well-intentioned in setting up the Troubled Asset Relief Program, it’s a “lousy program,” U.S. Bancorp CEO Richard Davis said at a business leaders forum Tuesday.

U.S. Bank was told, not asked, to participate in the program, which is a Darwinian attempt to “synthesize” weaker banks into stronger banks through consolidation, Davis said at the forum, held at Thrivent Financial for Lutherans in Minneapolis. U.S. Bank (NYSE: USB) sold $6.6 billion in preferred stock with warrants to the U.S. Treasury in November through its capital purchase program.

“There’s no A, R or P in TARP,” Davis said, adding that “troubled” is the only word in the phrase that’s accurate. “The ‘asset relief program’ has yet to occur.”

The problems with the U.S. Treasury Department’s program are that its goals and rules have changed since its inception last fall, it’s poorly defined and it’s caused collateral damage to healthy banks.

Davis said he would be “darned” if Minneapolis-based U.S. Bank would suffer collateral damage from the government’s “sloppy attempt at nationalizing the [banking] industry.”



I am open to explanation of what exactly is going on here. I don't see anything Darwinian about it. I think we are getting historically screwed.
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how long will it be till all banks are under one name
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SEREMAKER wrote:

how long will it be till all banks are under one name
Bob Page?
CameronPoe
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The banks brought this on themselves with a healthy dollop of looking the other way from the government and stupidity on the part of the average Joe. Either way you look at addressing the crisis, we get screwed - hence the futility of debate. Debate should begin when things start to look up and the government isn't getting its ass out of owning/managing things they shouldn't be owning/managing.

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As a further addition to my earlier comment: aerospace companies opening up in Mexico is not some new-fangled phenomenon of the downturn - manufacturing firms will always seek other nations with lower standards of living, lower wages and lower corporate tax rates to move their operations to. Why pay American wages for something a Mexican or an Indian can make for less? The only things that really inhibit the flight of capital are logisitics, political stability, start up costs/relocation expenses and the standard of education in the destination country.

Globalisation as far as I can see does the following:

- makes national borders nearly meaningless
- limits the ability of governments to influence or preserve living standards in their respective nations
- involves a constant shedding of jobs, manufacturing or othewise, to poorer nations -> an equalisation of wages and living standards in theory should ensue (we get poorer, they get nearer to our standard although this is not a zero sum thing)
- creates new markets for products -> those who already have wealth in the richer nations have a head start on exploiting the human and material resources of the poorer nations, consolidating their positions in an elite that need do nothing more in terms of 'working hard' than buying and selling shares and property with their money (either hard earned, speculatively accumulated or inherited)

Upshot (by and large):

* The Winner: Wealthy People in the richer nations
* The Loser: Poor People in the richer nations

Taken to its ultimate extreme, in 1000 years you will have a few tens (maybe hundreds) of millions of people in the world living in a massive fortress sipping champagne and smoking fine cigars and several billion people collecting the same wage and enjoying identical living standards to each other: basically what happened in the USSR on a macroscopic scale. It's funny how the two 'polar opposites' end up the same in the end. Of course I haven't answered the bigger question here: how a system based on constant growth and constantly increasing consumption can sustain itself for 1000 years on a planet of finite size with consequently finite resources...

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And wot Cam said, plus tariffs can be useful - except its the importers who have the ear of govt so won't happen.

Of course I haven't answered the bigger question here: how a system based on constant growth and constantly increasing consumption can sustain itself for 1000 years on a planet of finite size with consequently finite resources...
Population control, carbon emissions control, energy technology, everything else follows.

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How's that earthquake going, whilst you're calling things?
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Had the privilige of attending a lecture by Noam Chomsky last night. Call me impressionable but he convinced me that any hope in any western political party is completely misplaced. Fuck Fianna Fáil, fuck Sarkozy, fuck Merkel, fuck Obama, fuck Brown, fuck the lot of em. I kind of already knew this but he pushed me into the 'ATG category' of dismay.

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CameronPoe wrote:

Had the privilige of attending a lecture by Noam Chomsky last night. Call me impressionable but he convinced me that any hope in any western political party is completely misplaced. Fuck Fianna Fáil, fuck Sarkozy, fuck Merkel, fuck Obama, fuck Brown, fuck the lot of em. I kind of already knew this but he pushed me into the 'ATG category' of dismay.
Failed States, the man has impeccable sources for his material. Would not want to debate against him.

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SEREMAKER wrote:

how long will it be till all banks are under one name
Bob Page?
The Aquinas Protocol is coming. These early attacks on piracy are just the beginning.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
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CameronPoe wrote:

Had the privilige of attending a lecture by Noam Chomsky last night. Call me impressionable but he convinced me that any hope in any western political party is completely misplaced. Fuck Fianna Fáil, fuck Sarkozy, fuck Merkel, fuck Obama, fuck Brown, fuck the lot of em. I kind of already knew this but he pushed me into the 'ATG category' of dismay.
You're impressionable.

Did he offer an alternative?
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FEOS wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Had the privilige of attending a lecture by Noam Chomsky last night. Call me impressionable but he convinced me that any hope in any western political party is completely misplaced. Fuck Fianna Fáil, fuck Sarkozy, fuck Merkel, fuck Obama, fuck Brown, fuck the lot of em. I kind of already knew this but he pushed me into the 'ATG category' of dismay.
You're impressionable.

Did he offer an alternative?
Grassroots activism that would gather enough momentum to eventually replace our political leaders and political systems with more accountable ones and less 'distant from popular sentiment' ones. We don't actually live in republican democracies. It's just a myth. We elect people and they get bought and paid for by others. Obama passes the biggest military budget in history and receives the Nobel peace prize - what a laugh.

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FEOS
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CameronPoe wrote:

FEOS wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Had the privilige of attending a lecture by Noam Chomsky last night. Call me impressionable but he convinced me that any hope in any western political party is completely misplaced. Fuck Fianna Fáil, fuck Sarkozy, fuck Merkel, fuck Obama, fuck Brown, fuck the lot of em. I kind of already knew this but he pushed me into the 'ATG category' of dismay.
You're impressionable.

Did he offer an alternative?
Grassroots activism that would gather enough momentum to eventually replace our political leaders and political systems with more accountable ones and less 'distant from popular sentiment' ones.
Did he address that that was what formed our current political parties? How do you avoid the "do loop"? That's not an alternative, that's just a reset.
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FEOS wrote:

Did he address that that was what formed our current political parties? How do you avoid the "do loop"? That's not an alternative, that's just a reset.
He didn't seem to hold out much hope that humankind would last much longer in the context of our ravaging the planet so I guess any activism is futile. And I guess pressing reset on a far more frequent basis is the answer. He put his faith in the middle class to come up with the goods, much like Plato.

Oh and as an addendum: I don't agree with him whole-heartedly on everything, he just spoke many uncomfortable and objectionable truths that demand some sort of counteraction.

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FEOS
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CameronPoe wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Did he address that that was what formed our current political parties? How do you avoid the "do loop"? That's not an alternative, that's just a reset.
He didn't seem to hold out much hope that humankind would last much longer in the context of our ravaging the planet so I guess any activism is futile. And I guess pressing reset on a far more frequent basis is the answer. He put his faith in the middle class to come up with the goods, much like Plato.

Oh and as an addendum: I don't agree with him whole-heartedly on everything, he just spoke many uncomfortable and objectionable truths that demand some sort of counteraction.
Sounds to me like a grumpy old man who bitches a lot but doesn't offer up much as actionable alternatives.

Don't understand why so many here go so doe-eyed over the old codger.

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― Albert Einstein

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how long will it be till all banks are under one name
Done and done, but with silver too.
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FEOS wrote:

Don't understand why so many here go so doe-eyed over the old codger.
I think it's because unlike most prominent public figures he calls it as it is. The 'niche' market: speaking it like it is. And I would disagree with you on the 'he doesn't have a solution' - his solution is one I don't agree with: anarcho-syndicalism.

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FEOS
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CameronPoe wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Don't understand why so many here go so doe-eyed over the old codger.
I think it's because unlike most prominent public figures he calls it as it is. The 'niche' market: speaking it like it is. And I would disagree with you on the 'he doesn't have a solution' - his solution is one I don't agree with: anarcho-syndicalism.
He doesn't offer a solution. He offers another problem.

It's easy to say "tear down everything we know" without offering up an actionable plan to fix it.
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FEOS wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Don't understand why so many here go so doe-eyed over the old codger.
I think it's because unlike most prominent public figures he calls it as it is. The 'niche' market: speaking it like it is. And I would disagree with you on the 'he doesn't have a solution' - his solution is one I don't agree with: anarcho-syndicalism.
He doesn't offer a solution. He offers another problem.

It's easy to say "tear down everything we know" without offering up an actionable plan to fix it.
Well his actionable plan is anarcho-syndicalism. He doesn't regard that as a problem. There is a lot of merit to some of his ideas and many of his criticisms of the status quo are highly accurate, relevant and demanding of action. If we don't agree with his solution, we must dream/offer up our own - and that might not involve the 100% destruction of the status quo.

One of his main pointswas that if public opinion can be galvanised into action to a greater degree we do have the ability to influence the decisions that 'our' politicians take.

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FEOS
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CameronPoe wrote:

FEOS wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


I think it's because unlike most prominent public figures he calls it as it is. The 'niche' market: speaking it like it is. And I would disagree with you on the 'he doesn't have a solution' - his solution is one I don't agree with: anarcho-syndicalism.
He doesn't offer a solution. He offers another problem.

It's easy to say "tear down everything we know" without offering up an actionable plan to fix it.
Well his actionable plan is anarcho-syndicalism. He doesn't regard that as a problem. There is a lot of merit to some of his ideas and many of his criticisms of the status quo are highly accurate, relevant and demanding of action. If we don't agree with his solution, we must dream/offer up our own - and that might not involve the 100% destruction of the status quo.

One of his main pointswas that if public opinion can be galvanised into action to a greater degree we do have the ability to influence the decisions that 'our' politicians take.
How is "anarcho-syndicalism" actionable?

It is a concept, not a plan.
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FEOS wrote:

How is "anarcho-syndicalism" actionable?

It is a concept, not a plan.
Well in the 2 hours he was on stage I don't really think he had time to list the steps that need to be taken to get from here to there. I'm sure many Russians didn't think their nation could go from Tsarism to command economy totalitarianism in a short period. And anarchism was being succesfully practiced in the Basque Country and Catalonia for a period prior to the Franco dictatorship sweeping through Spain.
FEOS
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CameronPoe wrote:

FEOS wrote:

How is "anarcho-syndicalism" actionable?

It is a concept, not a plan.
Well in the 2 hours he was on stage I don't really think he had time to list the steps that need to be taken to get from here to there. I'm sure many Russians didn't think their nation could go from Tsarism to command economy totalitarianism in a short period. And anarchism was being succesfully practiced in the Basque Country and Catalonia for a period prior to the Franco dictatorship sweeping through Spain.
He writes books, doesn't he? I'm sure in writing books he has plenty of time to lay out an actionable plan to implement his concepts.

But he doesn't.

Because he's just a grumpy old codger who likes to bitch. And there's a bunch of doe-eyed youngsters who buy into his schtick.
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FEOS wrote:

He writes books, doesn't he? I'm sure in writing books he has plenty of time to lay out an actionable plan to implement his concepts.

But he doesn't.

Because he's just a grumpy old codger who likes to bitch. And there's a bunch of doe-eyed youngsters who buy into his schtick.
He does write books correct. Why should we seek an alternative from him? We have to devise one ourselves. We have to take action ourselves. We have to influence the reality we find ourselves in ourselves. We are personally responsible for doing something, some part small or large, to address the many festering political sores we have to live with. Anything less would be laziness. Do we need a 'new system'? How about working towards changing the existing one? We have valuable new tools in their infancy at our disposal, like the internet, which can free us somewhat from the propaganda of mass media. Being grumpy is A-O-K with me - list out the flaws in our society and let us attempt to address them. Apathy and a 'that's just the way it is' attitude is fucking deplorable. One should listen to old people and their life experience and ideas, if not just to learn something you might not yet have learned in the course of your far shorter life. You can agree or disagree, but lending them your ear is not exactly a reprehensible act.

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Uzique
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Chomsky is interesting. The only influence I would take from him is his libertarianism, it's pretty admirable.

Anarcho-syndicalism... no.

Where was the lecture at, Cam? Kinda jealous!
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Uzique wrote:

Chomsky is interesting. The only influence I would take from him is his libertarianism, it's pretty admirable.

Anarcho-syndicalism... no.

Where was the lecture at, Cam? Kinda jealous!
It was at the RDS in Dublin, conveniently right across the road from my girlfriend's house and near where I work...

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